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[KainD]

Once you seal the breach, time travel is no longer possible. It's tied to the breach. 

 

I have the anchor! 

[dragonflight288]

The Mage plot is so iffy to the point where it's hard to say what happened to the tranquil leading up to the skulls being made. I do agree that it could be a variety of things and my entire point is that as the leader Fiona was responsible for them as a part of her charges. I agree that degrees of guilt change but it is still guilt nonetheless.  My disappointment with the Mage story is that Fiona's actions is excused by "magical mind controlling time traveling Vint." instead of watching the character face the consequences of her actions however large or small they may be. It's swept under the rug, just like those skulls in that hut.

 

And Seeker Lucius is no better. Do Cassandra's personal quest and you'll find out that he knowingly allowed an Envy demon to impersonate him while he corrupted templars elsewhere in an insane drive to destroy the templars and the seekers when he found out that the Seekers knew about tranquility's cure from the beginning of their order, and that every seeker is made tranquil and then cured of it to join. 

 

Fiona is not innocent, and I will never say she is, but her actions are far more understandable and have more rationale behind it than Lucius'. Her back is to the wall and thanks to Alexius' magic, his aid came at the very moment they were most desperate. Lucius went out of his way to destroy his own order with red lyrium and a demon for....reasons. 

 

And a codex entry tells us that when the envy demon talked about making the templars great in the world and ignored the plight of the people they swore oaths to defend, most templars hearing him responded with cheers. 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, both sides suck equally in this game. In my first playthrough, I sided with the mages but conscripted them because I did not want a foreign power, one that enslaves people, growing in one of the wealthiest arlings of Ferelden. I played both quests though and I like both of them. 

[raging_monkey]

I have the anchor!

bro its sunday no sundeeing the veil lol. And doubt the inq can do what your thinking

[dragonflight288]

bro its sunday no sundeeing the veil lol. And doubt the inq can do what your thinking

 

Yeah, that's more like a thursday thing. 

[KainD]

bro its sunday no sundeeing the veil lol. And doubt the inq can do what your thinking

 

Why not? Inq opened made an opening for themselves and went into it. 

People better what out for breeches, once I learn to time travel. xD

[dragonflight288]

Why not? Inq opened made an opening for themselves and went into it. 

People better what out for breeches, once I learn to time travel. xD

 

What would you do with that power anyway?

[raging_monkey]

Yeah, that's more like a thursday thing.

more saturday stuff gets real saturday nights after 2am

[raging_monkey]

Why not? Inq opened made an opening for themselves and went into it. 
People better what out for breeches, once I learn to time travel. xD

lmao they gots no breechs lol

[dragonflight288]

more saturday stuff gets real saturday nights after 2am

 

I live in a college town monkey, and here, for some strange reason I do not understand, it's Thursday night.

[TK514]

Let's try to be as clear as possible on this point, and as honest as possible.

 

Was it Fiona who treated them so horribly, or was it Alexius and the Tevinters after Fiona, the mages and tranquil had become indentured servants? If it happened after Alexius showed up, Fiona would have absolutely no authority on what decisions were made with the tranquil, because she is nothing more than an indentured servant at that point. 

 

If the decision was made before Alexius showed up, then she bears more responsibility than she already does. 

 

Degrees of guilt change based on individual circumstances in real life, and it's the same standard I hold for in-game characters as well. 

 

I don't hold Fiona and the Mage Rebellion directly responsible for the creation of the Occularum, because there's no evidence one way or another as to their knowledge of it happening.

 

I do, however, hold them fully to blame for casually abandoning most of the Tranquil when the Mages left for Redcliffe, because that is explicitly stated.  So they may not have been in on the possession and head-chopping, but they are responsible for there being an uncared for and helpless supply of Tranquil to be used in the process.

[KainD]

What would you do with that power anyway?

 

Anything I want.. as many times as I want to..

[KainD]

I do, however, hold them fully to blame for casually abandoning most of the Tranquil when the Mages left for Redcliffe, because that is explicitly stated.  So they may not have been in on the possession and head-chopping, but they are responsible for there being an uncared for and helpless supply of Tranquil to be used in the process.

 

Let Redcliff people have fun and free labor. They've been through a lot.

[xPez]

I went Mages on my first playthrough, and now I've gone Templars.

 

Is there any difference in choosing the Templars to yield and serve the Inquisition, or joining as Allies?

 

What long-term effects are there, and any thoughts on either?

 

For storytelling purposes I'm tempted to go "yield", because the Inquisition as a big solo organisation seems more efficient.

[Hazegurl]

And Seeker Lucius is no better.

And I killed him. Just like I killed the corrupted red Lyrium Templar leaders before recruiting the Templars they tried to kill. The point of "purging" the Templars were to get rid of Barris and the other Templars who were asking too much questions and most likely would not take the Red Lyrium.  Fiona on the other hand has no real punishment for her treasonous crimes. She just hangs out at Skyhold excusing herself and the mages. My Inquisitor put a woman to death for selling the Lyrium mines to the enemy so why on earth would he allow worthless Fiona to live?  Conscripting the mages should ensure the Inquisitor's right to judge her.

[Sir DeLoria]

Pfft, mages, how anyone could side with them is beyond me.

Spoiler

[raging_monkey]

I live in a college town monkey, and here, for some strange reason I do not understand, it's Thursday night.

makes sense

[raging_monkey]

Pfft, mages, how anyone could side with them is beyond me.

Spoiler

we have morals lol but a bigot might not lol

Disclaimer: im teasing like we normally do lol

[KainD]

we have morals lol but a bigot might not lol

Disclaimer: im teasing like we normally do lol

 

Wait, how is bigotry and morals tied?

[Sir DeLoria]

we have morals lol but a bigot might not lol
Disclaimer: im teasing like we normally do lol

I know lol

Except that you stand for the rights of a tiny, over-priviliged minority against the safety and rights of the vast, vast majority of the population and any tradition or common sense. Seriously, if the PC isn't a mage, siding with them makes almost no sense.

[raging_monkey]

Wait, how is bigotry and morals tied?

no idea just mocking pro- mage and templar arguements lol

I mean 0 offense

[KainD]

Except that you stand for the rights of a tiny, over-priviliged minority against the safety and rights of the vast, vast majority of the population and any tradition or common sense. Seriously, if the PC isn't a mage, siding with them makes almost no sense.

 

Wait.. you can play as a non-mage? That's so silly.. why would you ever do that? 

[KainD]

no idea just mocking pro- mage and templar arguements lol

I mean 0 offense

 

I take 0 offense. lol

That was just a very weird thing to say, I got confused. 

[raging_monkey]

I know lol
Except that you stand for the rights of a tiny, over-priviliged minority against the safety and rights of the vast, vast majority of the population and any tradition or common sense. Seriously, if the PC isn't a mage, siding with them makes almost no sense.

agreed.

[raging_monkey]

I take 0 offense. lol
That was just a very weird thing to say, I got confused.

thats why its funny the pro-x arguements for both sides make no sense to me

[dragonflight288]

I don't hold Fiona and the Mage Rebellion directly responsible for the creation of the Occularum, because there's no evidence one way or another as to their knowledge of it happening.

 

I do, however, hold them fully to blame for casually abandoning most of the Tranquil when the Mages left for Redcliffe, because that is explicitly stated.  So they may not have been in on the possession and head-chopping, but they are responsible for there being an uncared for and helpless supply of Tranquil to be used in the process.

 

Yeah, true, and the templars did the same thing. Abandon them and their duty to their protection I mean. 

 

Minaeve tried helping them in the Inquisition, so that's a good thing.