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[dragonflight288]

 

 

i think the issues with magi are they are so disconnected from mundanes they forget they are both people. And this is coming from a isolationist 

 

Vivienne touches on this...sort of. She talks about how the mages saw the greater restriction on them after Anders blew up Kirkwall. She brings up that there is a huge disconnect between mages and the outside world because they are separated from that world as children. They never saw how magic became more hated than it was when the Imperium was so strong, they never saw how bad it became for them among the people, all they saw was the templars being more and more restrictive. 

 

I think this tied in here as well. Mages had spent so long away from the world that they don't know how to connect with it. 

 

If you ally with the mages, one of them talks to Cassandra and doesn't know how to handle her treating him as equally as she treats everyone else, meaning he had to deal with his own problems like everyone else. I think the dialogue goes something like this. 

 

Mage: We can't work in these conditions. 

Cassandra: The templars aren't here to keep you prisoner here.

Mage: We need better quarters, more-

Cassandra: You are here as allies of the Inquisition, you are not our wards. You will have to make do with what you have.

Mage: But how are we supposed to-

Cassandra: Deal with it. 

 

Cassandra: *to Inquisitor* The mages are here as equals. They need to get used to what that means. 

[KainD]

So the "R" word get tossed around now lol... memories

 

The ''R'' word? Do you mean rape? Say it with me now: RAPE. it's ok. xD 

[Sir DeLoria]

Templars threaten to lobotimize you, actually lobotomize you and then rape them. Much better

Tevinter uses the Right of Tranquility more than anyone else.

It's a great way for the mages to get rid of pesky rivals.

[KainD]

Templars threaten to lobotimize you, actually lobotomize you and then rape them. Much better

 

It's not rape if they are lobotomized. 

[dragonflight288]

The ''R'' word? Do you mean rape? Say it with me now: RAPE. it's ok. xD 

 

Rasputin! Roger Rabbit! Reaper! Rash!

 

There are a lot of 'r' words that can be used. lol. 

[KainD]

Rasputin! Roger Rabbit! Reaper! Rash!

 

There are a lot of 'r' words that can be used. lol. 

 

I know, but none of those are used here. ))

[Sir DeLoria]

What does any of that have to do with choosing to pursue the mages or the Templars in DA:I?

It just makes more sense for a mundane Inquisitor to either fight the mages, both or ally with the mages and reinstitutionalize the Circles. Yes, I'm aware some of those options aren't possible, but going "full freedom" as a mundane is pretty unrealistic.

[dragonflight288]

It just makes more sense for a mundane Inquisitor to either fight the mages, both or ally with the mages and reinstitutionalize the Circles. Yes, I'm aware some of those options aren't possible, but going "full freedom" as a mundane is pretty unrealistic.

 

You can conscript the mages, following what Leliana says and trying to make the anchor more powerful with the mages if the mundane inquisitor doesn't trust the templars, or their ability to suppress the breach enough for an unenhanced anchor to affect it. 

[myahele]

And mages kill people or enslave and then rape them. Much better.

They also enslave demons/spirits and also turn spirits into demons and can force other mages to become abominations for the evulz

[raging_monkey]

Vivienne touches on this...sort of. She talks about how the mages saw the greater restriction on them after Anders blew up Kirkwall. She brings up that there is a huge disconnect between mages and the outside world because they are separated from that world as children. They never saw how magic became more hated than it was when the Imperium was so strong, they never saw how bad it became for them among the people, all they saw was the templars being more and more restrictive. 
 
I think this tied in here as well. Mages had spent so long away from the world that they don't know how to connect with it. 
 
If you ally with the mages, one of them talks to Cassandra and doesn't know how to handle her treating him as equally as she treats everyone else, meaning he had to deal with his own problems like everyone else. I think the dialogue goes something like this. 
 
Mage: We can't work in these conditions. 
Cassandra: The templars aren't here to keep you prisoner here.
Mage: We need better quarters, more-
Cassandra: You are here as allies of the Inquisition, you are not our wards. You will have to make do with what you have.
Mage: But how are we supposed to-
Cassandra: Deal with it. 
 
Cassandra: *to Inquisitor* The mages are here as equals. They need to get used to what that means.

one of my favorite scenes since that i felt with the mages b4 the rebellion.

The ''R'' word? Do you mean rape? Say it with me now: RAPE. it's ok. xD

its a sensitive situation so i try to be PC on that area.... anything else is fair play lol

[dragonflight288]

They also enslave demons/spirits and also turn spirits into demons and can force other mages to become abominations for the evulz

 

And templars kidnap entire towns, infect them with red lyrium and make monsters out of them. 

 

I can spout crap too!

[Sir DeLoria]

You can conscript the mages, following what Leliana says and trying to make the anchor more powerful with the mages if the mundane inquisitor doesn't trust the templars, or their ability to suppress the breach enough for an unenhanced anchor to affect it.

Then the question remains what is to be done with the mages after closing the Breach though.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's not rape if they are lobotomized. 

Not sure if you're serious. If you are, that says a lot about you

 

You can conscript the mages, following what Leliana says and trying to make the anchor more powerful with the mages if the mundane inquisitor doesn't trust the templars, or their ability to suppress the breach enough for an unenhanced anchor to affect it. 

You can justify it like this: The templars aren't going anywhere but you know that there is a hostile power right on your doorstep and is apparently planning to use time magic to undue your actions. Which sounds more important? Stopping a threat right at your doorstep or convincing some nobles so you can meet templars.

[raging_monkey]

And templars kidnap entire towns, infect them with red lyrium and make monsters out of them. 
 
I can spout crap too!

and they "eat" them

[KainD]

its a sensitive situation so i try to be PC on that area.... anything else is fair play lol

 

It's in the game! I'm perfectly fine not bringing it up on farmvile forums, but if it's in the damn game it should be completely open for discussion. 

[KainD]

Not sure if you're serious. If you are, that says a lot about you

 

Yeah I'm serious, tranquil don't object - not a rape. 

[myahele]

There isn't much mention about rape in DAI than there was in DAO or DA2.

[KainD]

There isn't much mention about rape in DAI than there was in DAO or DA2.

 

Still there, and still in the franchise. 

[dragonflight288]

Then the question remains what is to be done with the mages after closing the Breach though.

 

Also true, but the same question can be made of the templars. If you ally with them, Cassandra has to talk them down from hunting mages and focus on the breach, as that dialogue replaces the mage not knowing how to handle being treated equally, and thus he is responsible for his problems. 

 

An Inquisitor with magic knowledge can talk to that mage in the Hinterlands into joining the Inquisition by bringing up ways to help that don't involve violence at  all. 

 

And Fiona brings up that there are plenty of mages untrained for combat and children among them. 

 

If you have Vivienne, and this is simply a possibility, you can send the ones who are less useful to the Circle she is First Enchanter of. The Inquisition also has templars among its ranks, even if you don't get them as allies. Lysette, that friend of hers she speaks with, and she mentions others. And Cullen immediately starts making preparations for mages who'll become abominations. 

[raging_monkey]

It's in the game! I'm perfectly fine not bringing it up on farmvile forums, but if it's in the damn game it should be completely open for discussion.

true but tact my friend mods are cracking down on various discussions

[EmperorSahlertz]

Templars threaten to lobotimize you, actually lobotomize you and then rape them. Much better

At the chance of repeating myself....

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yeah I'm serious, tranquil don't object - not a rape. 

So what your saying is that if someone doesn't want my advances, I can essentially lobotomize them and make them my sex slave and you're okay with that? Why am I not surprised a templar supporter would say this

[KainD]

true but tact my friend mods are cracking down on various discussions

 

I had one warning point for a rape joke.. but tbh not really reasonable. 

[Br3admax]

 

So what your saying is that if someone doesn't want my advances, I can essentially lobotomize them and make them my sex slave and you're okay with that? Why am I not surprised a templar supporter would say this

 

Considering that's a poster child for blood magic, you should be surprised you're still talking to them. 

[raging_monkey]

So what your saying is that if someone doesn't want my advances, I can essentially lobotomize them and make them my sex slave and you're okay with that? Why am I not surprised a templar supporter would say this

he's actually one of us... just has the "traquil arent people anymore" beilef lol