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[Cat Fancy]

Well if you accept them as dragon-people, them existing.

I don't, but I'm worried Qunari lore is exactly as stupid as it seems, so maybe... I think the Qunari are a non-magical problem. Magical problems probably pissed Koslun off, like a lot of things, but it seems he was reacting to much more than just those.

 

 

Humans and Qunari come from the same continent, and yet humans have no idea what they were until 400 years ago. Hmmm. 

What? We don't know much about the other continent and most humans left it behind thousands of years ago. Why would you expect them to know much about the Qunari any more than you would expect 14th century Aztecs to know about, like, Buddhism?

 

Kossith did exist in Thedas around the time of the first blight, which is how that had ogres. The Qunari claim that they don't look like the kossith they left behind a few hundred years ago before arriving in Thedas, but I don't find this particularly credible. Then again, maybe the Qunari work exactly as they and BSN Qunari apologists say they do. That would disappointing.

[Br3admax]

It's not like they've fallen... or that Dorian ever mentions abomination outbreaks being a thing that happens more often over there.

That has nothing to do with my point. No one has ever found a way to successively avoid abominations without Templars, Circles, and killing each other. 

 

 

Aside from your being wrong in a diagnostic sense, I'm fairly sure the epilogue says nothing at all about most people in Thedas thinking that Leliana is psychotic.

Well I'm sure it's completely normal to suggest cutting someone's tongue out, no matter what you say to her throughout the game. Yep, completely normal. Just like it's normal to let people influence majorly how you think. It's also normal for everyone around you to be deathly afraid. Normal. 

[Br3admax]

Except for the ancient pyramids that depict horned giants, which would suggest this isn't a recent development for the Qunari.

I don't know what recent means to you, but it certainly doesn't mean thousands of years ago, to me. 

 

 

Well, Leliana allows the mages to govern themselves, allows non-humans to enter the priesthood, and devotes the Chantry to the principal of charity, so I'm not sure why you think she's "psychotic"; she seems to be quite competent and compassionate.

I don't care about her epilogue slide. I know enough of her from the game. 

[Br3admax]

I don't, but I'm worried Qunari lore is exactly as stupid as it seems, so maybe... I think the Qunari are a non-magical problem. Magical problems probably pissed Koslun off, like a lot of things, but it seems he was reacting to much more than just those.

 

 

What? We don't know much about the other continent and most humans left it behind thousands of years ago. Why would you expect them to know much about the Qunari any more than you would expect 14th century Aztecs to know about, like, Buddhism?

 

Kossith did exist in Thedas around the time of the first blight, which is how that had ogres. The Qunari claim that they don't look like the kossith they left behind a few hundred years ago before arriving in Thedas, but I don't find this particularly credible. Then again, maybe the Qunari work exactly as they and BSN Qunari apologists say they do. That would disappointing.

Iron Bull > you. You don't get to override his account of how his people developed. All the rest of this is just your opinion on how dumb the lore looks, which is really irrelevant. 

[LobselVith8]

That has nothing to do with my point. No one has ever found a way to successively avoid abominations without Templars, Circles, and killing each other. 

 

The Chantry controlled Circles didn't prevent abominations, either, which is why these discussions tended to become circular arguments with people of opposing ideologies who never agreed on anything.

 

Well I'm sure it's completely normal to suggest cutting someone's tongue out, no matter what you say to her throughout the game. Yep, completely normal. Just like it's normal to let people influence majorly how you think. It's also normal for everyone around you to be deathly afraid. Normal. 

 

In a world where you can use magic, fight with dragons, and use a magical power to close tears in the veil, with you citing one of the options to silence a naysayer against the Inquisition.

[raging_monkey]

Yeah, I really don't care. Nobility's a gilded cage, and literally no mage met so far has ever tried to not to become it. Being poor is overrated.

viv is trying to become it and is involved with a noble and gets added power due being FE and mistress. But long as they are in their place right?

[Hazegurl]

Well, Leliana allows the mages to govern themselves, allows non-humans to enter the priesthood, and devotes the Chantry to the principal of charity, so I'm not sure why you think she's "psychotic"; she seems to be quite competent and compassionate.

You probably didn't harden her, which is a good thing if you want her as Divine. I hardened her and now she's all about cutting out people's tongues, lol! It's better for her to stay my batshyt crazy spymaster than to sit on any throne.

[Xilizhra]

That has nothing to do with my point. No one has ever found a way to successively avoid abominations without Templars, Circles, and killing each other.

Then it'll be interesting to see what happens. However, since abominations are barely ever discussed in this game, never appear, and thus wouldn't be a major topic on the minds of new players of the game as a factor, I seriously doubt they'd write in doomsday abomination plagues for Leliana as a Divine--it wasn't in the epilogue either and there'd be no point, as I mentioned before, in setting Leliana up solely to fail.

 

 

Well I'm sure it's completely normal to suggest cutting someone's tongue out, no matter what you say to her throughout the game. Yep, completely normal. Just like it's normal to let people influence majorly how you think. It's also normal for everyone around you to be deathly afraid. Normal. 

The second one is extremely normal. As for the rest, I still find your credentials and ability to actually diagnose psychosis to be dubious at best.

[SporkFu]

This is my first playthrough, and my little elf mage opted for the templars. Was it the 'right' choice? I dunno, I sided with the mages back at the Fereldan circle conflict, and again with the mages in Kirkwall, but this time it seemed the mages had gone completely off the rails, and I didn't feel good about choosing them this time.

Having said that, my human/dwarven/qunari rogue will probably feel just as unsure about the templars next time

[LobselVith8]

I don't know what recent means to you, but it certainly doesn't mean thousands of years ago, to me.

 

If there are ancient pyramids depicting figures who look like the Qunari, then it suggests the humans - at one point - knew who the Qunari were. Humans seemed to have forgotten this part of their history. There also seems to be the suggestion that the Qunari and the humans came from the same continent, before landing on Thedas.

 

I don't care about her epilogue slide. I know enough of her from the game. 

 

The Epilogue slide addresses Leliana after the events of the Breach; I don't see why it should be dismissed, particularly when it illustrates Leliana's character.

[herkles]

solution:

 

mages if you are born a peasent you are still a peasent with all the rites and responsibility peasentry has. 

if noble: you get to be an ******* noble but with magic, no difference from other nobles just magic and you can afford tutors to teach you proper magic

 

the templars would be more active in finding abominations and killing them, if you live in an area without a templar garrison to protect against it. well its just mundane lives, they don't matter.

[LobselVith8]

You probably didn't harden her, which is a good thing if you want her as Divine. I hardened her and now she's all about cutting out people's tongues, lol! It's better for her to stay my batshyt crazy spymaster than to sit on any throne.

 

The only difference is how she responds to her opponents, really. Whether she's ruthless and merciless, or if she is willing to be diplomatic and persuasive with them (which is why Morrigan used the term 'miraculous' in how she convinced others to come around to her way of thinking).

[raging_monkey]

If there are ancient pyramids depicting figures who look like the Qunari, then it suggests the humans - at one point - knew who the Qunari were. Humans seemed to have forgotten this part of their history. There also seems to be the suggestion that the Qunari and the humans came from the same continent, before landing on Thedas.
 

 
The Epilogue slide addresses Leliana after the events of the Breach; I don't see why it should be dismissed, particularly when it illustrates Leliana's character.

he does that sometimes lol

solution:
 
mages if you are born a peasent you are still a peasent with all the rites and responsibility peasentry has. 
if noble: you get to be an ******* noble but with magic, no difference from other nobles just magic and you can afford tutors to teach you proper magic
 
the templars would be more active in finding abominations and killing them, if you live in an area without a templar garrison to protect against it. well its just mundane lives, they don't matter.

legit XD

[Hazegurl]

The only difference is how she responds to her opponents, really. Whether she's ruthless and merciless, or if she is willing to be diplomatic and persuasive with them (which is why Morrigan used the term 'miraculous' in how she convinced others to come around to her way of thinking).

Sure she has the same ideals....sprinkled with pools of blood and a mass conversion plan. That girl is craaaaazy when hardened.

[raging_monkey]

Sure she has the same ideals....sprinkled with pools of blood and a mass conversion plan. That girl is craaaaazy when hardened.

but thats hot lol

[Cat Fancy]

Iron Bull > you. You don't get to override his account of how his people developed. All the rest of this is just your opinion on how dumb the lore looks, which is really irrelevant. 

Here's Iron Bull's on how his people developed horns. He doesn't know. He's relating a rumor some Ben-Hassrath (who also don't know) spread. I don't find it that credible because early Qunari history is shrouded in mystery and there's plenty of evidence they looked like this well before the Qunari philosophy developed and Tamassrans existed. If Qunari historical orthodoxy/random rumors aren't subject to at least as many shocking revelations as Dalish history was this game, I'd be very surprised. But... we'll see, I guess.

 

Regardless of what they look like and when this happened, though, I think there's little reason to blame the Qunari religion/philosophy/whatever on magic. Totalitarian movements have developed on this world without any magic at all.

[raging_monkey]

It's funny that I end up feeling sorry for Leliana in that situation, more than her actual victims. It could be that many deserve punishment... but I'm afraid for her soul, if you will. 
 
She says it herself. "I may not like it, but I have to do this". The Clever Inquisitor has the best response. "If you don't like it, then it's a good sign you shouldn't do it."

dont get chantry on me i just came back from mass(what cause im a hedonist i cant go to the chantry) haha* pats shoulder*

Jokes aside yeah she's pretty dark

[herkles]

It's funny that I end up feeling sorry for Leliana in that situation, more than her actual victims. It could be that many deserve punishment... but I'm afraid for her soul, if you will. 

 

She says it herself. "I may not like it, but I have to do this". The Clever Inquisitor has the best response. "If you don't like it, then it's a good sign you shouldn't do it."

why should someone care about all the people slaughtered and killed? they stood in the way of making mages freedom. that makes them a-okay to be slaughtered. if you oppose the mages you are an evil person and the hand of the divine will make sure you know you are wrong in blood.

 

*above is slightly satrical*

[LobselVith8]

It's funny that I end up feeling sorry for Leliana in that situation, more than her actual victims. It could be that many deserve punishment... but I'm afraid for her soul, if you will. 

 

She says it herself. "I may not like it, but I have to do this". The Clever Inquisitor has the best response. "If you don't like it, then it's a good sign you shouldn't do it."

 

It's not as though this is an inescapable fate for Leliana. In the wake of Justinia's death, and the massacre of thousands at the Urn of Sacred Ashes, it's the Inquisitor who can help her walk a different path.

[raging_monkey]

why should someone care about all the people slaughtered and killed? they stood in the way of making mages freedom. that makes them a-okay to be slaughtered. if you oppose the mages you are an evil person and the hand of the divine will make sure you know you are wrong in blood.
 
*above is slightly satrical*

thats why i go to mass its safer that way lol

[herkles]

btw I know of 1 group in the circle that could have done something to help themselves, other mages, and the people 

 

Lucrosians

 

there goal is to make money. so why not use their magic, to say make a 'fridge' to keep food lasting longer. or make any other sort of magical device to improve the lives of everyone instead of staying in there towers? it is a win for everyone!

 

mages: people like them for their stuff, thus more rights as they have the publics good will. 

the masses: there lives are better due to the magical devices or just the magic in general 

the lucrosians: we are richer then kings!!! 

 

everyone wins

[Hazegurl]

It's funny that I end up feeling sorry for Leliana in that situation, more than her actual victims. It could be that many deserve punishment... but I'm afraid for her soul, if you will. 

 

She says it herself. "I may not like it, but I have to do this". The Clever Inquisitor has the best response. "If you don't like it, then it's a good sign you shouldn't do it."

Yeah I do feel for her too. It sucks watching her reach the conclusion that a ruthless soulless murderer is what she has to be. My Inquisitor however, took full advantage of her ruthless tactics and reveled in molding her into his attack dog.