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[Cat Fancy]

I always go for mages. I might conscript the Templars if I ever get around to playing a dwarf or non-mage human/qunari. I'm not sure I could justify having my self-insert Inquisitors take the mission otherwise. I hear the Templar mission leads to some later quests which give more insight into Corypheus, but I haven't seen these scenes so I can't say how I feel about them.

[AtreiyaN7]

I'd say the templars starting and fighting in the war is worse.

 

Yeah, if anything, Meredith kickstarted things with her bad behavior in Kirkwall, which led to Anders going bonkers and nuking the Chantry, but hey, I guess some people like to delude themselves into believing that the templars never did anything wrong in their entire lives and didn't contribute to the events that ultimately led to the mage rebellion and the war in DA:I.

Yes, the templars are as pure as the driven snow! Let's just forget all about their past actions and abuses, shall we? *sarcasm* As I pointed out in the other thread about this topic, there's plenty of blame to go around on all sides because everyone has their flaws and failings. I just happen to feel that the mages ended up backed into a corner, were scared, and were victims of Fiona's bad decision-making.

[herkles]

Uh, the mages themselves are the slaves in question. Indentured at least.

but when they stop being servents, they will be tevinter citizens with all the rights that a laetern would have. including property rights and in tevinter that would include slaves. so they get to own people.

[Chernaya]

No templar, in my opinion, is innocent. Except the ones who leave the Order. It's why I feel no real sympathy for the red templars.

 

I felt that way for the first two games, but in this one it was nice to experience the templars without constantly hearing about killing mages or enacting the rite of annulment for once. Still, I did find them ignorant and in the wrong for just assuming the red lyrium would be okay... really a derp move.

[Cat Fancy]

TBF some Templars are taken in quite young, it seems. Wasn't Cullen, like 13? Or maybe they're just in the Chantry system beforehand? I am not sure how it works. Still, yes, the siding with the Templars in the first two games led to you executing every Circle mage in an area down to the last child, while siding with the mages led to you... stopping the Templars from doing that. So I guess this game is more balanced in that now you'll be executing children unlucky enough to be in whichever camp you don't choose, (still more mages, presumably) but they're turned into zombies first, so who cares.

[Br3admax]

Except that doesn't happen. Every Circle mage didn't even join the Rebellion. In fact, the half that voted against independence didn't. But every Rebel did most certainly willingly join the Venatori. I don't feel sorry for traitors. You'll have to forgive me. 

[Bigdoser]

Eh why are people trying to prove that one side is right when they were both so wrong in what they were doing? The point of the decision if you believe said group deserves a second chance from their crimes/mistakes and aspire to what they are meant to be that is the point where I feel its just opinion since there is no right answer. 

[Catche Jagger]

This was the first game in which I supported the Templars. I found myself unable to side with the mages after the events of DA2 (which is weird because I hated Meredith). I just kept thinking about Anders killing a bunch of innocents and endangering hundreds to gain independence and couldn't side with it. I know not all mages are like Anders, just like not all templars are like Meredith, but the whole situation had made me a bit less avid in my desire to support the mages, and more willing to see the other side. So, I made my first pro-templar character and was rather satisfied with the storyline there.

However, this is just my personal experience.

[KainD]

The point of the decision is to get the strongest allies against Cory, which is mages. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Except that doesn't happen. Every Circle mage didn't even join the Rebellion. In fact, the half that voted against independence didn't. But every Rebel did most certainly willingly join the Venatori. I don't feel sorry for traitors. You'll have to forgive me. 

If you help the Templars, you find out that the Elder One brainwashed the mages into becoming venatori. 

[Br3admax]

The point of the decision is to get the strongest allies against Cory, which is mages. 

No, the point of the mission is the best ally in closing the Breach, they don't even know Cory exists. And both allies sound terrible. "Let's supercharge this,(if we can) and hope for the best," or, "Let's join our wills together and hope the Breach can be weakened." 

[Br3admax]

If you help the Templars, you find out that the Elder One brainwashed the mages into becoming venatori. 

No you don't. It's never said anywhere. 

[Cat Fancy]

Except that doesn't happen. Every Circle mage didn't even join the Rebellion. In fact, the half that voted against independence didn't. But every Rebel did most certainly willingly join the Venatori. I don't feel sorry for traitors. You'll have to forgive me. 

You don't feel sorry for any poor, naive children in the rebellion? And maybe joining the rebellion seemed like a sensible decision to mages in your worldstate because so many apolitical children were slaughtered by Templars with the help of your past player characters. (and in mine, TBF. unaccountable Wardens and apostates were killing Templars in the line of duty. well, I don't think any more Templars were killed in Origins, actually) I truly feel sorry for all the zombified child-soldiers (and adult-soldiers..) of Thedas, regardless of their past politics.

 

Not enough to stop killing them, of course, because they're still zombies.

[Barquiel]

I felt that way for the first two games, but in this one it was nice to experience the templars without constantly hearing about killing mages or enacting the rite of annulment for once. Still, I did find them ignorant and in the wrong for just assuming the red lyrium would be okay... really a derp move.

Playing the mage storyline I can't say I felt very sorry for them...mostly because Lambert was the one who started the war, and the more reasonable templars (like Lysette or Rylen for example) seem to have left the order at that point.

[KainD]

No, the point of the mission is the best ally in closing the Breach, they don't even know Cory exists. And both allies sound terrible. "Let's supercharge this,(if we can) and hope for the best," or, "Let's join our wills together and hope the Breach can be weakened." 

 

Sound terrible to Inquisitor? Maybe. Sounds terrible to me? Not really. Still remember Mr Avernus that was closing the veil tear at warden keep. 

[JobacNoor]

I'm trying to rationalize how it'll make sense if I go for the Templars as a qunari mage who isn't pro-circle or loyal to the Chantry.

[raging_monkey]

Sound terrible to Inquisitor? Maybe. Sounds terrible to me? Not really. Still remember Mr Avernus that was closing the veil tear at warden keep.

a tear is weaker than a rift/breach. Thats childs play by comparision XD

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Templars. Mission is better.

 

No stupid time travel

More varied level design, both visually and gameplay

Envy serves as a better villain than Alexius

Ser Barris > Fiona

Ending is better and more uplifting

 

Also, after what the rebel mages try to pull off in the game, they deserved to put down, Fiona especially.

[KainD]

a tear is weaker than a rift/breach. Thats childs play by comparision XD

 

Well duh, but we have a whole bunch of mages and an Inquisitor with a mark. 

[Br3admax]

You don't feel sorry for any poor, naive children in the rebellion? 

None of those children are in the Rebellion. Seriously. The children with them stayed with the loyalist afterwards, for all we know. A sizeable number of mages joined the Inquisition even without Fiona. Guess those don't matter though. They aren't killing their own yet. 

 

And maybe joining the rebellion seemed like a sensible decision to mages in your worldstate because so many apolitical children were slaughtered by Templars with the help of your past player characters. (and in mine, TBF. unaccountable Wardens and apostates were killing Templars in the line of duty) I truly feel sorry for all the zombified child-soldiers (and adult-soldiers..) of Thedas, regardless of their past politics.

Except killing mage children is not required, but nice strawman. I happened to have spared the Circle in Ferelden and prevented Meredith from killing surrendering mages in Dragon Age 2. You do have a nice way of putting things, though. I've never seen so many charged words this early in a conversation.

Not enough to stop killing them, of course, because they're still zombies.

Good things siding with the Templars has nothing to do with killing mages. Not mages that don't attack me first anyway. I'm not going to fight for something just because they pout enough.

 

Know who I feel sorry for? All the children they sold to Tevinter. But they don't matter because they don't have magical powers. Yep, They deserve it for being "normal" whatever that means. I feel sorry for the Tranquil they let butcher by the thousands. Sure there are more of them, but that won't stop you from endorsing "freedom." It's much better to kill all the normal people off anyway. Then there will be only mages, and everyone won't be afraid anymore.

 

How good am I getting at this? 

[Lavaeolus]

Playing the mage storyline I can't say I felt very sorry for them...mostly because Lambert was the one who started the war, and the more reasonable templars (like Lysette or Rylen for example) seem to have left the order at that point.

There are still plenty of reasonable templars, but you won't meet them unless you go get the templars. Otherwise, you'll only meet one guy, since the templar quest doesn't let you do the first few ones to introduce people before giving you the 15 power mission.

There is one guy you meet, and he's not exactly the nicest person what with the whole "hey priest this is my fist" "hi fis--", but your whole goal in going to the templars is to oust that guy. Gather favours to convince templars from under him.
 

The point of the decision is to get the strongest allies against Cory, which is mages.

Honestly, if you're up against an endless army of demons... aren't the guys who are trained to fight demons, and even have special abilities to help them do so, a better choice than a collection of mages with varying degrees of combat training?

[raging_monkey]

Templars. Mission is better.
 
No stupid time travel
More varied level design, both visually and gameplay
Envy serves as a better villain than Alexius
Ser Barris > Fiona
Ending is better and more uplifting
 
Also, after what the rebel mages try to pull off in the game, they deserved to put down, Fiona especially.

treat em like animal big shock they become animals XD

Well duh, but we have a whole bunch of mages and an Inquisitor with a mark.

true lets amp a unknown power XD