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[Maiafay]

You have terrible tastes, tbh.

Seriously? Rude. To each their own. I happened to like it as well because of the time travel and overall tone of the mission. Alexius was a good villain. Be respectful, would you?

[Angloassassin]

In all honesty, a Chantry-Supervised Circle was *Always* going to lead to the whole powder-keg war.  

 

Most First/Senior Enchanters were Aequitarians anyways for pete's sake! 

 

Give Mages the Circles, sure. But Aequitarian's (The majority ruler of the Mage Fraternities) should govern them, Mages looking over other mages - so you don't get the Enchanter Orsino's covering up dangerous mages for fear of sparking Templar/Chantry ire.

 

Think of someone like Irving, who was an exemplary Mage - whom Knight-Commander Gregior trusted the fate of the Entire Circle to,  even he had to stoop to using you politically so that you guys could say "Nu uh, you Chantry Pricks guys screwed up too", when he could have directly intervened before things got out of hand.

 

The Aequitarian's foremost beliefs are using Magic to help man - with or without Chantry supervision. (Such as Anders running his clinic Pre-Chant-Splosion.)

 

There are always going to be mages who default to Blood Magic and using their powers to harm people. But putting those ticking timebombs under the control of (More often than not) abusers, only makes things start to deteriorate faster, and generally to the point where the only intervention is Tranquility or death.

 

Hell, Tranquility was a punishment developed *By* Mages, *For* Mages, to keep themselves and other's safe from the same people who'd readily side with Coryphi-fish.

 

When you get Circles (Like Kirkwall) using it illegally to silence naysayers, on harrowed mages, and frankly having bad form of imprinting them with Chantry Sun brands on their foreheads. You know something is wrong.

 

Templars like Cullen, Bariss, and Gregoir are amazing examples of what their duty *Should* Be - but for every Cullen, Bariss and Gregoir, there seem to be ten Meredith's, Ser Alrik's, and Ser Kerass'.

 

Power corrupts, but absolute power (Divine right under the Chantry), corrupts Absolutely.

[thesuperdarkone2]

LOL.

 

I'm pro-mage. The Templar quest line was better. And even more so playing it as a mage.

Better is entirely subjective. I found the mage quest more entertaining

[TheJediSaint]

LOL.

 

I'm pro-mage. The Templar quest line was better. And even more so playing it as a mage.

 

Oddly enough, I sympathize more with the Templars, liked the Mage quest line more, and played it as a warrior.  Go figure.

[Br3admax]

LOL.

 

I'm pro-mage. The Templar quest line was better. And even more so playing it as a mage.

 

Yeah, no.

 

People don't magically get over their differences overnight and start singing Disney numbers. Take that **** outta here.

 

Pretty much. The assumption that one must agree with me and support everything I say, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge the other side is false, to be "pro-mage," whatever that means, is false. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yeah, no.

 

People don't magically get over their differences (1,000 years of social conditioning) overnight and start singing Disney numbers together. Take that **** outta here.

And I'm sure all the scumbag Templars that liked abusing mages are suddenly going to change and I'm sure none of the issues that caused the rebellion are suddenly going to disappear /s

 

The ending states otherwise but some people don't want to listen to reason.

[raging_monkey]

Considering I'm not:
 
A ) a templar supporter
or
B ) Someone that cares about your opinion,
 
go right ahead. I don't mind.

then why comment? Tp get a "rise out of people"

[herkles]

I mean we could, but then what would we do on here?

discuss other things then templar/mages

[TheJediSaint]

And I'm sure all the scumbag Templars that liked abusing mages are suddenly going to change and I'm sure none of the issues that caused the rebellion are suddenly going to disappear /s

 

The ending states otherwise but some people don't want to listen to reason.

Ser Barris would have a word with those Templars.

[thesuperdarkone2]

In all honesty, a Chantry-Supervised Circle was *Always* going to lead to the whole powder-keg war.  

 

Most First/Senior Enchanters were Aequitarians anyways for pete's sake! 

 

Give Mages the Circles, sure. But Aequitarian's (The majority ruler of the Mage Fraternities) should govern them, Mages looking over other mages - so you don't get the Enchanter Orsino's covering up dangerous mages for fear of sparking Templar/Chantry ire.

 

Think of someone like Irving, who was an exemplary Mage - whom Knight-Commander Gregior trusted the fate of the Entire Circle to,  even he had to stoop to using you politically so that you guys could say "Nu uh, you Chantry Pricks guys screwed up too", when he could have directly intervened before things got out of hand.

 

The Aequitarian's foremost beliefs are using Magic to help man - with or without Chantry supervision. (Such as Anders running his clinic Pre-Chant-Splosion.)

 

There are always going to be mages who default to Blood Magic and using their powers to harm people. But putting those ticking timebombs under the control of (More often than not) abusers, only makes things start to deteriorate faster, and generally to the point where the only intervention is Tranquility or death.

 

Hell, Tranquility was a punishment developed *By* Mages, *For* Mages, to keep themselves and other's safe from the same people who'd readily side with Coryphi-fish.

 

When you get Circles (Like Kirkwall) using it illegally to silence naysayers, on harrowed mages, and frankly having bad form of imprinting them with Chantry Sun brands on their foreheads. You know something is wrong.

 

Templars like Cullen, Bariss, and Gregoir are amazing examples of what their duty *Should* Be - but for every Cullen, Bariss and Gregoir, there seem to be ten Meredith's, Ser Alrik's, and Ser Kerass'.

 

Power corrupts, but absolute power (Divine right under the Chantry), corrupts Absolutely.

This so much. Psychology has shown that when people are given power they haven't earned over other people, abuses of power and corruption are almost certain to happen. The templar endings don't imply the templars suddenly change so I expect that the same corruption will occur even if they are reformed.

[Steelcan]

This so much. Psychology has shown that when people are given power they haven't earned over other people, abuses of power and corruption are almost certain to happen. The templar endings don't imply the templars suddenly change so I expect that the same corruption will occur even if they are reformed.

by that logic I propose the freed mages will all try to recreate Tevinter, then be shoved back into Circles where they won't be coddled by a failure of a Divine

[The Baconer]

Hell, Tranquility was a punishment developed *By* Mages, *For* Mages, to keep themselves and other's safe from the same people who'd readily side with Coryphi-fish.

 

Actually, according to this game it was developed by the Seekers after a mage tried to join their order and failed to connect with a spirit.

[Steelcan]

 

The ending states otherwise but some people don't want to listen to reason.

translation "I don't like that epilogue slide so I'm going to keep complaining!"

[Angloassassin]

Cassandra as Divine + Templars = Golden Age of Reform for Chantry.

 

Leliana as Divine + Mages = Circles with Autonomy, Things going great.

 

 

Easy Peasy, Lemon Squeasy.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Ser Barris would have a word with those Templars.

One templar is not going to suddenly get rid of all the corruption that exists in the system. You can't fix a sinking ship by putting a band-aid over it and hoping it fixes itself.

[Hellion Rex]

Ser Barris would have a word with those Templars.

I kinda hope that if my Cass does end up becoming Divine (not sure if I want her doing it or not), then Barris would become her Knight Divine.

[TheJediSaint]

One templar is not going to suddenly get rid of all the corruption that exists in the system. You can't fix a sinking ship by putting a band-aid over it and hoping it fixes itself.

Ser Barris is no band-aid.

[raging_monkey]

discuss other things then templar/mages

maybe what the MTs would do in their respective endings

[Angloassassin]

Actually, according to this game it was developed by the Seekers after a mage tried to join their order and failed to connect with a spirit.

 

And Yet - when I used Tranquility against one of the Captured Venatori Magisters, I got a specific line of Dialogue (From a Unique Wartable mission titled: "How could you?") that said: "We'll calmly remind them that Mages developed the punishment to save themselves from other mages", or rather, essentially that's what it said. And that was *After* me doing the Seeker's quest. 

Guess Conflicting Lore?

[errantknight]

I can see why Cassandra gets the best ending. She acknowledges that while the mages deserve freedom, the do present a danger. Both sides have some right on their side.

[Hellion Rex]

Nah that spot's reserved for my Knight Enchanter. Can't have anyone getting closer to Cass than him.

Can't she have two?