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[Hellion Rex]

Have your heard Cassandra's views about other races and Andrastianism? She gets visibly pissed off Varric doesn't go to a Chantry because he won't be accepted.

That line by Cassandra was probably one of my favorites in the game, bar none.

[Hellion Rex]

well the rest of White Thedas was also Tevinter lands at one point, they share a history from before the Chantry existed in many cases

 

combined with Leliana's reforms such as reforming the College of Enchanters being eerily similar to what Dorian describes in Tevinter

Well, first of all that's why you don't put Leliana in charge. But it's Cass, for me, so that's not what my Thedas looks like currently.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Have your heard Cassandra's views about other races and Andrastianism? She gets visibly pissed off Varric doesn't go to a Chantry because he won't be accepted.

But her ending never outright says she does anything to give other races representation in the Chantry which would make sense since she wants to reform the chantry but not make any big changes. Heck even her small reforms are opposed.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Have your heard Cassandra's views about other races and Andrastianism? She gets visibly pissed off Varric doesn't go to a Chantry because he won't be accepted.

 

Yeah, Cassandra's a fine choice on this front as well. Although I'd worry she might take things to moderately/slowly for it to make a difference. They might see Cassandra's motions more like too late half-measures. Or worse, all talk and no action. More of the same. Which certainly sounds like a Golden Age to chantry folks and the general population of humans...

 

Of course, this is all just imaginary/hypothetical. But it's a gut feeling I've got, that we'll be traveling north in the next game and it might have to do more with Elves/Qunari/Tevinter.

[Barquiel]

yeah, Vivienne'e Circle mages were slaughtered to a man........

I said most of the time. The loyalists fought the rebel mages, of course they weren't slaughtered. But we see enough mages who tried to stay neutral and they were still hunted or murdered.

[MisterJB]

Except they serve food and drink that can be easily poisoned (City Elf Warden poisoning Guard Beers), They work and live alongside nobles who they probably have access to their quarters. (Mister Sandman style), And they can mob as effectively as most humans can. Not to mention those sympathetic to their cause. 

That works the first couple of times, at best. There's like 16 branches of the Pentaghasts, for instance. Are the elves of Nevarra going to poison athem all before one orders every alienage in the kingdom put to the torch?

Elven artifact is something else entirely but we can't really predict that.

[TheJediSaint]

And things like this, More elven artifacts and shite .

 

 

Elves are never going to find a magic artifact to make the humans go away, ever.

[Angloassassin]

Yeah, Cassandra's a fine choice on this front as well. Although I'd worry she might take things to moderately/slowly for it to make a difference. They might see Cassandra's motions more like too late half-measures.

 

Of course, this is all just imaginary/hypothetical. But it's a gut feeling I've got, that we'll be traveling north in the next game and it might have to do more with Elves/Qunari/Tevinter.

 

On this note - That's why I prefer picking the Mages anyway. Can't have a radical Splinter-cell taking *Fereldan* Mages into their *Tevinter* arms. Then it looks like every mage whats to elope with Tevinter, and boom. Mage hatred begins again before it truly gets a chance to finish. (Leliana Divine is best Divine. And I'm not just saying this because of impending Murder Knife)

[Br3admax]

I said most of the time. The loyalists fought the rebel mages, of course they weren't slaughtered. But we see enough mages who tried to stay neutral and they were still hunted or murdered.

By who?

[Br3admax]

On this note - That's why I prefer picking the Mages anyway. Can't have a radical Splinter-cell taking *Fereldan* Mages into their *Tevinter* arms. Then it looks like every mage whats to elope with Tevinter, and boom. Mage hatred begins again before it truly gets a chance to finish. (Leliana Divine is best Divine. And I'm not just saying this because of impending Murder Knife)

Not even half the mages in Thedas actually even went to war, so, this means absolutely nothing. 

[errantknight]

Whichever choice you make, it willl end in bittersweet tears. This is Bioware

[GipsyDangeresque]

G-O-L-D-E-N. A-G-E.

 

A golden age for whom? I've never seen that slide so I don't know how it's phrased. For Thedas? Or a golden age for just the Chantry, which is predominately kind old white ladies in fancy buildings afraid of change?

[thesuperdarkone2]

G-O-L-D-E-N. A-G-E.

"if it can last" and there are other endings where Cass has to make serious concessions since people oppose her reforms. 

[Angloassassin]

Not even half the mages in Thedas actually even went to war, so, this means absolutely nothing. 

 

Obviously you haven't seen Thedas. Where a man digging a stump with a shovel will be killed by passing, ungoverned Templars because "It could have been a staff",

 

A few dozen mages - big faces, might I add, of the "Mage Rebellion", openly joining Tevinter? I'd say that's a pretty big deal. Especially when it's the Person who first called the vote *For* The rebellion. 

 

Not to mention, people in Thedas apparently don't care if *Most* or even *Some* mages didn't do anything wrong. A mage is all mages, An Elf if all elves etc. etc.

 

Like many people point out, Anders started the War with Kirkwall Chantry boom-boom. He was a Grey Warden, an Abomination, and not even a part of the Circle there. On most people's lists, he was a wanted man. Did people care? A *Mage* Blew up a Chantry, that's all that matters.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Whichever choice you make, it willl end in bittersweet tears. This is Bioware

 

Yes, I expect total Mage freedom to cause some revolting and distrust causing former Templars to try and create new Circles without Chantry permission, and reformed Circle systems having a hard time getting any foothold with mages still running amok everywhere, putting all of our world states in the same general boat.

[raging_monkey]

A golden age for whom? I've never seen that slide so I don't know how it's phrased. For Thedas? Or a golden age for just the Chantry, which is predominately kind old white ladies in fancy buildings afraid of change?

lets not add race to it lol. Orlaisan is the proper term lol

[Angloassassin]

Yes, I expect total Mage freedom to cause some revolting and distrust causing former Templars to try and create new Circles without Chantry permission, and reformed Circle systems having a hard time getting any foothold with mages still running amok everywhere, putting all of our world states in the same general boat.

 

Like the "Free the Circle" and "Lands for the Dalish" boons in Origins? 

 

"Things went ****** belly up, and everything's back to normal/worse off than before."

[thesuperdarkone2]

A golden age for whom? I've never seen that slide so I don't know how it's phrased. For Thedas? Or a golden age for just the Chantry, which is predominately kind old white ladies in fancy buildings afraid of change?

Exactly. I doubt elves, dwarves, or qunari would see it as a golden age. As much as I like Cassandra, I think she would better serve the Inquisition where she is now, not as Divine. The chantry opposes her reforms so they obviously oppose any kind of change. Leliana both winds up having mages be widely accepted, makes the Chantry dedicated to charity, and lets other races join the chantry. I don't hear Cass making any of those same things in her ending as divine. Thus, I consider Leliana to be my ideal divine. 

[GipsyDangeresque]

lets not add race to it lol. Orlaisan is the proper term lol

 

Good call. completely forgot, which is laughable considering the very best Mother and totally based Giselle isn't white at all.

[GipsyDangeresque]

LOL. Would you like some ass with those umptions?

 

Eh, I doubt the city-elves care about reforms in the Chantry unless it has something to do with edicts declaring opposition to Alienages and abuses from the nobility. And Dalish elves would probably give no fucks at all. And the Qunari want to stomp out the Chantry no matter what form it takes. And the Dwarves would have revolts and destroy a chantry if you even built one inside Orzammar.

 

I don't see how the choice of Divine could improve how they live their lives, except for Leliana probably being ballsy enough to try and decry Alienages completely and make the Chantry oppose their existence.

[raging_monkey]

LOL. Would you like some ass with those umptions?

only if its a ass i can bounce a sovereign off lol

Good call. completely forgot, which is laughable considering the very best Mother and totally based Giselle isn't white at all.

or ser barris

[The Baconer]

The mages at Redcliff have an option. Stay and serve Tevinter or leave. Are there dangers in leaving, certainly, but it's still an option.

Therefore, if those who remain are not mages who decided working for Tevinter is preferable to the alternative, then what are they?

 

Preferable to what alternative, dying? I like how casually you put there are dangers, as if it's something we can just gloss over. Sure, tell the cult powerful enough to throw the Arl out of his own fief (and who claim ownership of you) that you'd like to leave. Maybe if you're lucky they'd give you the chance to try and make it past the rift parked outside the gates.

 

And you know what? There were still mages at Redcliffe who chose this alternative, but against all reason you'd rather pretend they didn't exist.

 

 

At least the Templars at Therinfal had no knowledge of the Red Lyrium and Corypheus and they did mount an organized resistance.

 

The Templars did know they were following a maniac who openly betrayed the mandate of his own order and the Templars. Also, given multiple codices on the subject I refuse to believe nobody at Therinfal knew what Red Lyrium was.

 

 

We don't know the reasons for everyone who is there. We know why the members of the Inquisition were these and we know there's a priest there for renouncing Corypheus but there are other prisioners such as that elven mage or the one sacrificed.

 

The Elven mage refused to renounce his faith in Andraste and the Maker. There's literally nobody in there who did not reject the will of Corypheus.