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[Xilizhra]

I am curious xill, assuming we go to tevinter in da4 and I hope that we do. What would your goals be there?

No clue, but I assume they'd relate to fighting the qunari.

[RobRam10]

My goals for Tevinter would be:

-Crush the Qunari

-Allow Elven Mages to have more rights in the Imperium a.k.a being able to join the Magisterium.

[Sir DeLoria]

DeLoria no one wants to hear your heresy!

Don't ya'll Tevinters do almost the same though, Rob?

I can't see a Tevinter fan being that sentimental

[thesuperdarkone2]

Oh god, the children argument.

Let's just say, that the Circle are doing both the child and parent a favor by taking in mage children, because:

- It's very likely that with all the wars, famines and diseases going on, the Circle is one of the safest places in Thedas.

- If the child's magic is discovered what's to stop a mob of peasants from just lynching it? Most of Thedas deeply reviles and fears magic after all.

- If the child isn't trained properly, it can be posessed or make a deal with a demon. Connor was almost responsible for the destruction of Redcliffe.

Yes, a mage parent could train, raise and protect a mage child, but how many mage children actually have mage children?

What reason could there be for making it so that circle mages will never be allowed to raise their own children who are taken away? Also, why prevent family members from at least seeing their own children in circles? I have no problem with an independent circle system but the system as it was is too corrupt to work

[errantknight]

How about...both sides have valid points, good people and bad, good ideas and bad, and they're most are pretty much frightened human beings at the root of it?

[RobRam10]

Don't ya'll Tevinters do almost the same though, Rob?

Us? Never!

[herkles]

No clue, but I assume they'd relate to fighting the qunari.

I said Your goals, what would you like to do in Tevinter

 

My goals for Tevinter would be:

-Crush the Qunari

-Allow Elven Mages to have more rights in the Imperium a.k.a being able to join the Magisterium.

I thought elven mages could enter the magisterium if they were part of the Altus Class?

[raging_monkey]

How about...both sides have valid points, good people and bad, good ideas and bad, and they're most are pretty much frightened human beings at the root of it?

this

[Sir DeLoria]

What reason could there be for making it so that circle mages will never be allowed to raise their own children who are taken away? Also, why prevent family members from at least seeing their own children in circles? I have no problem with an independent circle system but the system as it was is too corrupt to work

Because the Circle doesn't trust such a sensitive task to just one person, which makes absolute sense. And I'm pretty sure, mages are allowed to have visitors from outside. Hawke and Gamlen visit Bethany multiple times and she's even allowed to leave on a few occasions.

This has nothing to do with corruption though.

[raging_monkey]

I said Your goals, what would you like to do in Tevinter
 

I thought elven mages could enter the magisterium if they were part of the Altus Class?

altus are human(heavyly implied) and trace their bloodline to dreamers of anchient vint

[AresKeith]

How about...both sides have valid points, good people and bad, good ideas and bad, and they're most are pretty much frightened human beings at the root of it?

 

What's logic and reason doing here?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Not saying I agree with all of that. But the rules exist for a reason. Thrask was a Templar and he was hiding his daughter. What if she had become an abomination on his watch? Would he have had the strength to kill her? So if it's that difficult for a Templar imagine a Mage parent with a Mage child. Would they have the strength to kill their own child? Would they even acknowledge instead of being in denial?

Other races aren't allowed as members of the chantry and Mother Giselle reveals that the reason is more political as Andraste would allow all races to believe in the Maker. Heck, elves were a big part of Andraste's army but now the verses acknowledging them are removed.

[RobRam10]

I said Your goals, what would you like to do in Tevinter

 

I thought elven mages could enter the magisterium if they were part of the Altus Class?

And what family of Tevinter would have a elven mage in their bloodline? Unless Grand Daddy DG confirms that elves have been Magisters I will continue to assume that no elf has been part of the Magisterium.

[Sir DeLoria]

Us? Never!

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm not talking about races. I'm talking about the point you brought up and then you countered with something completely unrelated. Wtf?

It was meant to show that not all the rules the chantry has are intended to be good and are only self-serving. Also, I found it funny how the paranoia about the allied mages becoming abominations turns out to be nothing but paranoia as no abominations are mentioned or even appear in the game. Seems like giving mages freedom doesn't result in abomination land.

[raging_monkey]

This rule in particular has merit and is completely unrelated to the rules your brought up. That's like trying to convince me the sky is green because grass is green.

its not... damn that squirrel

[MisterJB]

What reason could there be for making it so that circle mages will never be allowed to raise their own children who are taken away? Also, why prevent family members from at least seeing their own children in circles? I have no problem with an independent circle system but the system as it was is too corrupt to work

 

Good reasons. First and foremost, a Circle is not a good place to raise children. Second, what if the kid is not a mage? Then, not only will its childhood have been taken from it without need, it will have also grown up without being able to learn a trade. Likely, its only option would be to join the Templars at which point, it might even be biased in favor of mages.

Third, can you imagine a mage parent know his or her child's Harrowing is coming? Or that it is going to be made Tranquil? What if a demon whispered "I can help?"

 

Also, parents can visit if they can afford it. Gamlen didn't have a sovereign to his name but he is the one who tells Bethany Leandra is dead and Leandra herself regularly visited herself.

It's just that most Circles are way from population centers and travel in the middle ages was limited. Most peasants can't afford to cross the nation to go visit.

[Steelcan]

One day people will stop saying mages in Circles can't be visited by their family. Hell. The human mage Inquisitor can say they went home every now and then

[GipsyDangeresque]

Oh god, the children argument.

Let's just say, that the Circle are doing both the child and parent a favor by taking in mage children, because:


- It's very likely that with all the wars, famines and diseases going on, the Circle is one of the safest places in Thedas.

- If the child's magic is discovered what's to stop a mob of peasants from just lynching it? Most of Thedas deeply reviles and fears magic after all.

- If the child isn't trained properly, it can be posessed or make a deal with a demon. Connor was almost responsible for the destruction of Redcliffe.


Yes, a mage parent could train, raise and protect a mage child, but how many mage children actually have mage children?

 

 

1) Every living being that exists on Thedas has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don't care if it's a fictional world or not, that dogma is just as applicable there as in reality. They are men and women. If Mages are free, they can STILL hold up in one of the local College of Magi if they're so afraid of the outside. Just band together. It's their choice, it's just not forced on them. And hey, those caring and selfless ex-Templars who do it because they wish to protect Mages can volunteer to help.

 

2) What's to stop a mob from lynching it? Hopefully Chantry sisters calming the mob. Or the watch. Or the army. Or the Inquisition. And the Seekers of Truth. And reason. And proper education. Ever heard of Civilization? We pass laws and bring people that break them to justice.

 

3) So make sure the child is trained properly. I don't see why this necessitates the circles or the templars as jailers.

 

 

You've presented no arguments that withstand any scrutiny.

[MisterJB]

Mage advocates are oh so concerned about the mage's freedom to but they don't seem to care about the non-mages freedoms from.

[Bipster]

I have to say, even if I quite like the moral quandary that is mages vs templars, I was happy actually that this game didn't force me to pick a side outright. You went to whichever group you thought had the best chance to close the Breach, not which side you agreed with. 

 

I think they are both well done stories and that they both had some very awesome moments. I can't really say I preferred one over the other, but I will say that I think the templar story made "In Your Heart Shall Burn", and "What Pride Had Wrought" way more awesome.

 

Based god Calpernia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Samson.

Her quest also fleshed out Cory a bit more, which was sorely needed imo. 

 

It was also nice to have a templar story that didn't involve someone screaming about the right of annulment, and encouraging the slaughter of innocents. I was always pro-mage in both DAO and DA2, so it was nice to be able to side with the templars for once without feeling like total a**hole. So that was nice.

[Steelcan]

You remember what worked really well? An apostate blood mage teaching another mage without Chantry oversight.

Only one town was destroyed and dozens dead!