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[GipsyDangeresque]

You remember what worked really well? An apostate blood mage teaching another mage without Chantry oversight.

Only one town was destroyed and dozens dead!

 

A situation only created because of the failed Circle system.

[MisterJB]

Yeah, the arlessa was in real danger of never seeing her child again.

No, really. It's always the Circle.

[Steelcan]

A situation only created because of the failed Circle system.

So because Isolde couldn't stomach the thought of having to visit her son as she is perfectly within her rights and ability to do, better invite in blood magic, that always works out

[Br3admax]

A situation only created because of the failed Circle system.

Yeah, because the trip across the lake she lives next to would have been well out of her way. 

[GipsyDangeresque]

So because Isolde couldn't stomach the thought of having to visit her son as she is perfectly within her rights and ability to do, better invite in blood magic, that always works out

 

Precisely. This is why the Circles cannot be allowed to stand, or more caring mothers like Isolde will be too afraid to tell anybody that her child has magic and too afraid to let him receive proper training. And then they get so desperate they'll take any teacher they can get ahold of, especially some blood-mage runaway who isn't qualified for the job.

 

 

Yeah, because the trip across the lake she lives next to would have been well out of her way. 

 

 

She didn't take him because she HATED the circles, and HATED that they would take him away, and wanted to be with him, as any mother deserves.

 

Why don't we remove the thing that CAUSED her to make such a decision, instead of trying to insult the symptom of the disease?

 

Mage advocates are oh so concerned about the mage's freedom to but they don't seem to care about the non-mages freedoms from.

 

from... what?

 

Persecution from abuse by Mages? You know what can stop that?

 

Laws and those that enforce them.

 

 

Shocking to you, I'm sure.

[MisterJB]

The son of an arl in the most liberally run Circle in Thedas.

The horror! The suffering! How could Isold ever endure? She did the right thing.

[Br3admax]

Isolde probably cared more about her family being shamed again by having yet another mage child in it. 

[GipsyDangeresque]

The son of an arl in the most liberally run Circle in Thedas.

The horror! The suffering! How could Isold ever endure? She did the right thing.

 

She didn't do the right thing. But that's just the kind of thing that the Circle system encourages. Even the most liberally run Circle in Thedas is despised by a mother who loves her child. I think that explains things plainly, just how important independence is.

[Steelcan]

THOSE EVIL CIRCLES! I'LL EDUCATE MY CHILD WITH A BLOOD MAGE! THAT'LL SHOW THEM HOW SAFE MAGIC IS!

(Caps to emulate her war crime masquerading as a voice)

[MisterJB]

 

from... what?

 

Persecution from abuse by Mages? You know what can stop that?

 

Laws and those that enforce them.

 

 

Shocking to you, I'm sure.

The people of Redcliff will be happy to hear it, I'm sure. When the army actually gets there, you know.

Any day now. They travel on horses you see.

...

Maybe they'll get there in time to give them a proper cremation.

...

Actually, no need for that. Mages like to use fire, anyway.

...

Still not there. Half the town is already gone, BTW.

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At least, Isolde spent more time with her son. Totally worth every other child in the village.

[Sir DeLoria]

Your applying modern, idealized standards to a fictional, medieval world. Here's a few words though.

1) That's all fine and dandy in theory, but mages are incredibly dangerous and hated, wherever they'd go, there'd be conflict. Wether it's the mages that start torching villages or peasants and militia hunting down and killing mages. The Circles protect the outside world from mages and the mages from the outside world.

2) This has nothing to do with civilization. Who goes to say that all the armies and chantries of Thedas all of a sudden start tolerating mages like normal people? And even if they did, that bond would be shattered the instance a crazed blood mage would start rampaging about and DA shows us that this is a frequent occurence.

3) How do you expect peasant parents to properly raise a mage child exactly?

[raging_monkey]

Mage advocates are oh so concerned about the mage's freedom to but they don't seem to care about the non-mages freedoms from.

i care. Not that anyone cares

[GipsyDangeresque]

The people of Redcliff will be happy to hear it, I'm sure. When the army actually gets there, you know.

Any day now. They travel on horses you see.

...

Maybe they'll get there in time to give them a proper cremation.

...

Actually, no need for that. Mages like to use fire, anyway.

...

Still not there. Half the town is already gone, BTW.

...

At least, Isolde spent more time with her son. Totally worth every other child in the village.

 

 

You do realize the circle system was fully in place with Templars and the Chantry enforcing it when those events occured, right?

 

It. Failed. To. Prevent. This.

 

It. Accomplished. Nothing.

[thesuperdarkone2]

One day people will stop saying mages in Circles can't be visited by their family. Hell. The human mage Inquisitor can say they went home every now and then

Multiple choice past. It's up to you to determine how the Ostwick circle was. You could say that your family hated you to you got along with them to the templars were good to they were a-holes. One dialogue option doesn't make it right.

[Sir DeLoria]

Mage advocates are oh so concerned about the mage's freedom to but they don't seem to care about the non-mages freedoms from.

Which is hilarious given that mages are what less than 1% of the population?

Humans treat mages far better than the other races anyway.

[Steelcan]

Multiple choice past. It's up to you to determine how the Ostwick circle was. You could say that your family hated you to you got along with them to the templars were good to they were a-holes. One dialogue option doesn't make it right.

. The fact that the option exists shows that inlore, its entirely possible for mages to go home and visit their families.

[Steelcan]

You do realize the circle system was fully in place with Templars and the Chantry enforcing it when those events occured, right?
 
It. Failed. To. Prevent. This.
 
It. Accomplished. Nothing.

. Because the witless wonder that is Isolde didn't use the system in place

[MisterJB]

You do realize the circle system was fully in place with Templars and the Chantry enforcing it when those events occured, right?

 

It. Failed. To. Prevent. This.

 

It. Accomplished. Nothing.

 

Well, they were kind of busy preventing Uldred and his demon army from ravaging the countryside in the middle of a civil war and Blight.

 

How many civillians did Uldred kill? Zero.

It's not perfect but it's better than having one Abomination that escaped their grasp causing damage rather than hundreds.

 

And of course, laws don't help much if mages are the ones passing them. How many generations until they took power? Two? Three?

[Sir DeLoria]

You do realize the circle system was fully in place with Templars and the Chantry enforcing it when those events occured, right?
 
It. Failed. To. Prevent. This.
 
It. Accomplished. Nothing.

How the hell do you expect them to have prevented the ordeal?

Templars don't have the track records of every child ever born in Thedas.

[thesuperdarkone2]

. The fact that the option exists shows that inlore, its entirely possible for mages to go home and visit their families.

given that the times we've seen that occur only happen to mages from noble families and the fact that mages from noble families are given more leeway seem to indicate that nobles are the few allowed this right.

[Steelcan]

given that the times we've seen that occur only happen to mages from noble families and the fact that mages from noble families are given more leeway seem to indicate that nobles are the few allowed this right.

. OK, you got proof of that beyond your own suspicion?

Or what about when senior enchanters are given leave for extended, sometimes indefinite, amounts of time....

[GipsyDangeresque]

Your applying modern, idealized standards to a fictional, medieval world. Here's a few words though.

1) That's all fine and dandy in theory, but mages are incredibly dangerous and hated, wherever they'd go, there'd be conflict. Wether it's the mages that start torching villages or peasants and militia hunting down and killing mages. The Circles protect the outside world from mages and the mages from the outside world.

2) This has nothing to do with civilization. Who goes to say that all the armies and chantries of Thedas all of a sudden start tolerating mages like normal people? And even if they did, that bond would be shattered the instance a crazed blood mage would start rampaging about and DA shows us that this is a frequent occurence.

3) How do you expect peasant parents to properly raise a mage child exactly?

 

1) That's not the way it plays out in Divine Leliana's epilogue, now is it? Do you have any proof that can negate canonical events? You allow freedom, and nothing explodes. You allow the Mages to fully ally themselves with the Inquisition and place no Templar watchers. No abominations tear apart your camps.

 

2) Because they do. Because the divine told them to. Because other free mages would rise up against that blood-mage. Because the Inquisition would roll in and help them. Or the Seekers of Truth, the ex-Templars. The impetus to not be insane and break the law and kill people is kind of on every single person, non-mage and mage.

 

3) They wouldn't. They'd send for an experienced tutor from a local College of Magi, I'd expect. Or, just as with the circle system, they would have the CHOICE to send them to live there, just as with the circles. But they would not be COMPELLED to, it would be of their own free will that they send their child to grow up in that environment.

[Sir DeLoria]

given that the times we've seen that occur only happen to mages from noble families and the fact that mages from noble families are given more leeway seem to indicate that nobles are the few allowed this right.

I doubt superstitious, poor, uneducated peasants would want their mage child to come over for tea.