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#76
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What is the ratio of Templars to mages, or perhaps more importantly, of Templars to highly skilled/knowledgeable mages? The writers probably (wisely) keep that vague.

 

Most likely Templars by no small margin. Of course, "highly skilled and knowledgeable" is not so simple to define. Highly skilled or knowledgeable in what subject, for instance.



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Here's another thing though - I don't think there are such things as genuinely weak rebel mages. I think that mages that would feel like they are too cowardly or inexperienced to fight and if they were too afraid to die, they wouldn't join the rebellion. 



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I think another thing worth mentioning is purely political and for roleplaying reasons-- despite all the crazyness, the people of Thedas still like Templars. And if not the in current situation, they still hold nostalgia for what they represent. It also calms fears about the Inquisition.



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Here's another thing though - I don't think there are such things as genuinely weak rebel mages. I think that mages that would feel like they are too cowardly or inexperienced to fight and if they were too afraid to die, they wouldn't join the rebellion.

im sure "weak" magi joined the rebellion

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im sure "weak" magi joined the rebellion

 

Why would they do that? It's not really the nature of weak people to rebel. 



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Here's another thing though - I don't think there are such things as genuinely weak rebel mages. I think that mages that would feel like they are too cowardly or inexperienced to fight and if they were too afraid to die, they wouldn't join the rebellion.


Where's a mage to go to? Leave the rebellion, they leave themselves exposed. Turn themselves into the Chantry? That... may not work well. They could hide, and with the phylacteries destroyed maybe that'll work, but what if some templar walks by, or they don't want to abandon their mates?

Many mages didn't want to rebel, they did by an exceptionally slim margin, but it's not like there's much else to go. Redcliffe was one place that offered safe haven. It is, in all honesty, not the best time to be a mage.

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Why would they do that? It's not really the nature of weak people to rebel. 

 

All of the Circles were dragged into it. And then further dragged when Rhys got the Aequitarians to side with Libertarians.


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Here's another thing though - I don't think there are such things as genuinely weak rebel mages. I think that mages that would feel like they are too cowardly or inexperienced to fight and if they were too afraid to die, they wouldn't join the rebellion. 

 

You don't think there are incompetent, but ideologically committed people who elect to take part in wars? I disagree. And just inexperienced? That's a paltry barrier to the motivated. Not to get too RL, but look at the mess in the Levant right now... And non-battlemages could also do non-battlemage-y things to help the effort out, as well.

 

viv claims temp out number magi 100/1 including "battlemages"

Interesting. I thought she was talking about the ratio of non-mages to mages, but I am normally wrong.



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Why would they do that? It's not really the nature of weak people to rebel.

thought you were refering to power level. And ive known plenty of weak people who did "strong" things

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You don't think there are incompetent, but ideologically committed people who elect to take part in wars? I disagree. And just inexperienced? That's a paltry barrier to the motivated. Not to get too RL, but look at the mess in the Levant right now... And non-battlemages could also do non-battlemage-y things to help the effort out, as well.
 



Interesting. I thought she was talking about the ratio of non-mages to mages, but I am normally wrong.

in the context it was between temps i think

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What were Vivienne and her mages doing? They were not part of the rebel mages. 



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What were Vivienne and her mages doing? They were not part of the rebel mages. 

 

She's the leader of the Loyalist fraternities. And probably told them all to **** off.



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She's the leader of the Loyalist fraternities. And probably told them all to **** off.

pretty much

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She's the leader of the Loyalist fraternities. And probably told them all to **** off.

 

Yeah but what were those guys doing? There were no more circles. 



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in the context it was between temps i think

I have to say, I misread that. I thought you/she said 100 mages to 1 Templar, not the reverse, which sounded wrong to me. (I thought there'd be more Templars) 100 Templars per mage sounds... very wrong. (way too many Templars) Even just rebel mages. But I don't know.



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I think the mage side would have been better off by killing/ousting fiona/making her a puppet and having some one more competent in charge. who would not go "lets fight for freedom i mean fight for tevinter as servents" I am also curious how the pro-mage side regardes the mundanes and how mages should regard them?

 

Here is what I think should have been done for a more competent leader.

  • seek out the mortalitasi and see if they are willing to ally with us.
  • Declare the goals of the rebellion. not just "freedom" but "we are fighting for a magical organization without the templars and chantry to watch us"
  • establish a mage-templar group; ie a group of mages whose purpose it is to watch and counter blood magic and abominations. this would be good as a pr stunt, but also because abominations are a threat so we should have safeguards against them.
  • Do deeds to get the common folk and the nobility on my side. Fereldan is still recovering from the blight of 10 years ago, why not help in finishing the repairs of that. Why not help out kirkwall's reconstruction? Help peasents deal with bandits. Make them like you.
  • Also use propaganda of my own, propganda + actions to win the favor of the people. 


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I am also curious how the pro-mage side regardes the mundanes and how mages should regard them?

 

Why as a master and the servant of course. 



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Yeah but what were those guys doing? There were no more circles.

viv was playing noble and tbh who knows what those "mages" do when not self-flogging... worst than tranquils DISCLAIMER: IM JOKING

I have to say, I misread that. I thought you/she said 100 mages to 1 Templar, not the reverse, which sounded wrong to me. (I thought there'd be more Templars) 100 Templars per mage sounds... very wrong. (way too many Templars) Even just rebel mages. But I don't know.

im just repeating what i heard and viv isnt the greatest source of info imo (never trusted loyalists)

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Yeah but what were those guys doing? There were no more circles. 

 

She still guides them apparently. In a way, she's the new Grand Enchanter..if but in name. I don't think they'd act up anyhow.. considering that they are loyalists to begin with. Some probably already lived with a degree of freedom as she did. The rewards of not being an asshat in the first place.



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[quote name="herkles" post="17995073" timestamp="1417921135"][quote name="herkles" post="17995073" timestamp="1417921135"] am also curious how the pro-mage side regardes the mundanes and how mages should regard them?[/quote]imo it should be as equals ideally but at worst id prefer the isolationist approach

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She still guides them apparently. In a way, she's the new Grand Enchanter..if but in name. I don't think they'd act up anyhow.. considering that they are loyalists to begin with. Some probably already lived with a degree of freedom as she did. The rewards of not being an asshat in the first place.

 

Not but like, where do they live? What do they do? How do they deal with templars? 



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Not but like, where do they live? What do they do? How do they deal with templars?

in the circle of plotholes.

Good question

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I think the mage side would have been better off by killing/ousting fiona/making her a puppet and having some one more competent in charge.

 

Absolutely. I probably won't conscript the mages ever again when I can have Ser Barris.

 

 


  • seek out the mortalitasi and see if they are willing to ally with us.

 

I doubt they would be interested. They pretty much have nothing to gain from declaring support for the mage rebellion.



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in the circle of plotholes.

Good question

 

Templars go around killing farmers because they've mistaken their working tool for a staff, and then there are mages living in the cities that be like: ''don't mind us, we are loyalists. Just call us when the circles are back.'' And templars are like: ''well that changes everything.'' Back to killing farmers. 


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Not but like, where do they live? What do they do? How do they deal with templars? 

 

that's a good question. Don't have an answer. I can only infer from other cases. Some of them might've been granted autonomy over time. Or actively working with the Chantry (for example, Giselle has mages with her. I doubt they were rebels).