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[Ranadiel Marius]

Mages. The only reasons to side with the Templars is a) Calpernia > Samson and Calpernia's sweet sweet staff #lootlust

You forgot about Ser Badass Barris and getting to save the world from the stupidity of Fiona, which clearly puts Templars ahead.

[Sports72Xtrm]

but this the thing both of have done f up things

yes but mages in the south are treated with contempt for their mistakes because everyone fears the supermen. They like the mages docile so they can feel safe but pampered so they can sleep well at night and if you think they're in the wrong otherwise you're "whining". It's the pro-templar bsn double standard, every mage's mistake reflects on the entire mage populace as a whole and punished harshly while every outstanding work that benefits society is just a random convenience. Mundane orders like templars are justified like the grey wardens. At their best, they're champions of the just, slayers of monsters, protectors of innocents, saviors of the world. At their worst they are necessary evils so they get the privilege of the benefit of the doubt and mostly a less harsh reaction. It's the mundane privilege. 

[raging_monkey]

yes but mages in the south are treated with contempt for their mistakes because everyone fears the supermen. They like the mages docile so they can feel safe but pampered so they can sleep well at night and if you think they're in the wrong otherwise you're "whining". It's the pro-templar bsn double standard, every mage's mistake reflects on the entire mage populace as a whole and punished harshly while every outstanding work that benefits society is just a random convenience. Mundane orders like templars are justified like the grey wardens. At their best, they're champions of the just, slayers of monsters, protectors of innocents, saviors of the world. At their worst they are necessary evils so they get the privilege of the benefit of the doubt and mostly a less harsh reaction. It's the mundane privilege.

oh boys this sums it up lol cant stop laughing i approve

[clone wars]

but not all Templars are like that

[raging_monkey]

but not all Templars are like that

the issue is that they downplay it lol

[dragonflight288]

 

 

but the templar mission is just so much more fun than the mage one

 

That is a subjective opinion.

 

I enjoyed both, but I enjoyed the mage story a little better. 

 

What one person prefers will always differ from what anyone else will prefer. Some people will prefer the mage over the templar, but those same people may disagree on WHY they prefer the mage mission over the templar one. And vice versa. 

 

Trying to make a universal statement about which quest line is better is pointless since it's overall a subjective opinion. For example, one person says they love lemon cake, but another person loves chocolate cake more, and simply cannot see any way why someone would prefer lemon to chocolate, and vice versa for the person loving lemon cake. 

 

In the end of this metaphor, both cakes are delicious, but lemon is better in my subjective opinion. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm honesting hoping the Mage Mission will be rewritten so horribly in the lore that by the time its back to canon it doesn't resemble the horror show of the mess it is now.

[raging_monkey]

That is a subjective opinion.
 
I enjoyed both, but I enjoyed the mage story a little better. 
 
What one person prefers will always differ from what anyone else will prefer. Some people will prefer the mage over the templar, but those same people may disagree on WHY they prefer the mage mission over the templar one. And vice versa. 
 
Trying to make a universal statement about which quest line is better is pointless since it's overall a subjective opinion. For example, one person says they love lemon cake, but another person loves chocolate cake more, and simply cannot see any way why someone would prefer lemon to chocolate, and vice versa for the person loving lemon cake. 
 
In the end of this metaphor, both cakes are delicious, but lemon is better in my subjective opinion. 

can i have some cake.... ive been a good bsner this year lol

[dragonflight288]

Mages are born, Templars are created. If the planned exhalted march to orzhammar went through then imagine all the dwarf converts that can mine lyrium

 

Imagine all the surface guards who'll have to to fight darkspawn day and night because they forced the dwarves, who already have a declining population, to fight on two fronts. 

 

Never ending blight to the surface, here we come! Boom Baby!

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Fiona never gave the inquisition a thought. Still Mage side you have to beat a damm monster if you take there side. 

[dragonflight288]

can i have some cake.... ive been a good bsner this year lol

 

Sure. Chocolate, or lemon? lol. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Never ending blight to the surface, here we come! Boom Baby!

 

Hardly.

 

Only a handful (relatively) passages exist in some nations, some like Antiva don't even have them at all.

 

Without a mass dispersal point at most you can see a few large raiding parties around those entrances.

 

And what happens then you wonder?

 

That **** gets closed and they spend the next six centuries digging themselves out of the rubble.

[raging_monkey]

Sure. Chocolate, or lemon? lol.

why chose... mix em together XD

[Lady Artifice]

That is a subjective opinion.

 

I enjoyed both, but I enjoyed the mage story a little better. 

 

What one person prefers will always differ from what anyone else will prefer. Some people will prefer the mage over the templar, but those same people may disagree on WHY they prefer the mage mission over the templar one. And vice versa. 

 

Trying to make a universal statement about which quest line is better is pointless since it's overall a subjective opinion. For example, one person says they love lemon cake, but another person loves chocolate cake more, and simply cannot see any way why someone would prefer lemon to chocolate, and vice versa for the person loving lemon cake. 

 

In the end of this metaphor, both cakes are delicious, but lemon is better in my subjective opinion. 

 

 

I owe you one like. 

[raging_monkey]

I owe you one like. 

gotcha covered arti

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Mages are treated like second rate citizens as templars are like first class citizens imo.

[Master Warder Z_]

Mages are treated like second rate citizens as templars are like first class citizens imo.

 

Except they aren't.

 

How such inaccurate views still exist i honestly don't know.

[raging_monkey]

Except they aren't.
 
How such inaccurate views still exist i honestly don't know.

old hatreds die hard. Tbh never really saw it either but hey it keeps the bsn "civil" lol

[shurryy]

Templars, not because I like them but because they are a necessary evil.

 

Mages need to be detained.

 

You can't allow people with infinite power and potential roam free and uncontrolled, it's like handing a child a big red history eraser button and telling them gently not to press it. On several occasions you hear about infants and children setting their homes and parents on fire simply because they can't control their powers that early on. Eventually someone will get the idea to cast the Armageddon spell, and by that time it's to late to say: "Should've done something about those mages..." 

[Efvie]

About to go for the Templars this playthrough, even though I really can’t sympathize with them—and this is even without knowing about how the story actually plays out apart from knowing that you end up fighting the same bad guys anyway.

 

And, and, Alistair’s mom!

 

 

(By and large, I view the magical proneness to possession to be borne out of oppression and fear. And individual mages aren’t that formidable—certainly nothing like, say, any D&D world.)

[dragonflight288]

Hardly.

 

Only a handful (relatively) passages exist in some nations, some like Antiva don't even have them at all.

 

Without a mass dispersal point at most you can see a few large raiding parties around those entrances.

 

And what happens then you wonder?

 

That **** gets closed and they spend the next six centuries digging themselves out of the rubble.

 

Apparently the Anderfels have to deal with darkspawn constantly, and even in Origins we hear about scattered darkspawn raids on the surface, but nothing major. Most of the time they're digging trying to find a new archdemon, but they're also constantly advancing. 

 

If the Chantry or some surface nation had an exalted march on the dwarves, and forced them to mine lyrium for them, it would be on these surface nations to guard their new dwarven slave....converts from the darkspawn, and these same surface nations would have to fight constantly to hold them back just so enough dwarves stay alive to mine lyrium since humans and elves cannot. 

 

Hence, the surface would constantly fight darkspawn, whether down there or the darkspawn would overrun Orzammar and soon they won't have anywhere to go but up.

 

Orzammar is right between the Ferelden and Orlais, so it's those two nations that'll get hit hard. And as is shown in Inquisition, Orlais falls, Tevinter rises, and world chaos for everyone. 

 

The darkspawn are not a minor threat between blights, they are held back only by the dwarves and the grey wardens going on their calling. Even if most darkspawn hunt for archdemons, when it isn't a blight there is still enough of them to push the dwarves back bit by bit. 

 

And there's more than one exit from the deeproads. Kal Hirol is a rather large entry point up near Amaranthine, and on the Storm Coast we had to cut off darkspawn who burrowed their way up, and there's an entrance into the deep roads in the Hinterlands. This shows that there are several entrances and exits to the Deep Roads across Thedas. 

 

Which is why you're wrong on the threat of darkspawn. 

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Dark spawns are like reavers in firely they take prisoners and turn them into there own. And there will be no end to them even if the dwarfs try to stop them there will always be ways out of the deeproads.

[Master Warder Z_]

This shows that there are several entrances and exits to the Deep Roads across Thedas. 

 

Not really Fereldan isn't Thedas.

 

It was the largest dwarven trading hub outside of the Imperium at the height of their empire.

 

It all boils down to deep roads entrances; for they are the highway by which darkspawn travel.

 

There are four in the Free Marches in unknown locations; one confirmed in Orlais that hasn't had any Darkspawn activity in centuries prior to Inquisition, none confirmed in Antiva and then there the mention of the darkspawn in the Anderfels in a single codex, their number and frequency isn't even gone into detail, presumably there might be an entrance or two left over from the dwarves, or maybe tunnels the darkspawn themselves fashioned either, there isn't anything known about it.

 

Seems relatively minor to be to be honest; it also seems it would be far easier to ward against them if they had to press certain avenues of travel to breach the surface if those were guarded then the threat posed would be minor and it would give advanced warning if there were major pushes.

 

So no i don't believe i'm wrong, i believe you are overstating having the Dwarves undergrounds importance.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

And, and, Alistair’s mom!

I don't give a  damn about killing Alistair's mother, and as a matter of the fact the Inquisitor doesn't know she was Alistair's mom, and even if the Inquisitor knew there is no reason to stop the Inquisitor from killing Fiona. You're metagaming then if you're going to side with the Mages, and spare Fiona because she was Alistair's mom, the Inquisitor doesn't know that, hell even Alistair doesn't know that. I couldn't care less if she was Alistair's mom anyway.

[actionhero112]

I will avoid everything having to do with time travel if possible. Even if it requires I kill alibear's mom. I don't want to say, never put a time travel plot device in a game, but please, don't. There also were no hoverboards in the future, and that's not what Marty promised me. 

 

Oh and I prefer my face unmelted and my mind not tampered with, so I think there needs to be some kind of central council making sure that mages don't do those things to my face and mind.