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[raging_monkey]

I don't think the libertarians want that.
 
But they are stupid enough to side with Tevinter anyhow.

i stopped being a libertarian after the vote glad i dotched them for the isolationist

[herkles]

I am actually curious about 2 things. 

 

1.) does tevinter have colleges within their circles? 

 

2.) if Aurelia was born in the south what sort of college would she be? Aurelia is my tevinter rp character, who is a pro-tevinter arcane-warrior; ie she puts the good of the Imperium as a whole as one of her main focuses. She is a warrior first and formost and to her magic is a weapon to defend the empire from all threats. 

[raging_monkey]

I am actually curious about 2 things. 
 
1.) does tevinter have colleges within their circles? 
 
2.) if Aurelia was born in the south what sort of college would she be? Aurelia is my tevinter rp character, who is a pro-tevinter arcane-warrior; ie she puts the good of the Imperium as a whole as one of her main focuses. She is a warrior first and formost and to her magic is a weapon to defend the empire from all threats.

they might have lobbists but colleges idk

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

i stopped being a libertarian after the vote glad i dotched them for the isolationist

The Aequitarian is the way to go.
 

[wright1978]

Always mages. You can easily create more templars with Lyrium and time. Mages are a resource that is less renewable. Kill bunch of mages, then there's less people in gene pool with magic to repopulate.

[raging_monkey]

The Aequitarian is the way to go.

magi and mundanes rarly co-exist better to keep everyone separate

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

magi and mundanes rarly co-exist better to keep everyone separate

Before the Mage-Templar War they don't have much chance or a real chance to co-exist isn't it?  Isolationism will foil a chance for both societies to learn and understand each other, it can also make things worse. Both societies have to learn to co-exist otherwise there'll always be conflict, and mundanes will always fear mages, as mages fear mundanes from locking them in the tower again.

[leadintea]

The Mage route story was better than the Templar route (despite a very iffy element that I hope will never be in a DA game again), but I found Calpernia's side story much more interesting that Samson's.

[MisterJB]

Right, because all these libertarians we meet in the games and novels want to create a magocracy (Tevinter 2.0)...

 

Why, of course. Fiona would never surrender a portion of Ferelden to Tevinter with its former Arl being sold into servitude oh waaaaaaaait!

 

They might not be directly seeking to impose a magocracy but their leadership has proven beyond shadow of doubt that that is something they will not seek to fight against were it to come to pass.

[raging_monkey]

Before the Mage-Templar War they don't have much chance or a real chance to co-exist isn't it?  Isolationism will foil a chance for both societies to learn and understand each other, it can also make things worse. Both societies have to learn to co-exist otherwise there'll always be conflict, and mundanes will always fear mages, as mages fear mundanes from locking them in the tower again.

doubtful but i like the idea

[Jayce]

My preferred option is to go to the Templars, then disband them/absorb them into the Inquisition. Neatly kills two birds with one stone as the Circles no longer have to fear the oppression of the Templars and can be more liberally run without the risk of abominations and blood mages running amok.

[dragonflight288]

Except that doesn't happen. Every Circle mage didn't even join the Rebellion. In fact, the half that voted against independence didn't. But every Rebel did most certainly willingly join the Venatori. I don't feel sorry for traitors. You'll have to forgive me. 

 

Actually, every rebel mage has no choice and is forced to do it. 

 

If you include Fiona in the talks when you go talk to Alexius at the beginning of the mage mission, Alexius brings up that every mage will be forced to serve in the legion and Fiona immediately interjects going "But not all of them are trained, and there are children! You said they wouldn't be forced to fight!" And Alexius disregards her point and says that they have to earn their citizenship. 

 

It sounds like Fiona gave stipulations to Alexius and the Venatori if they joined, but once they joined he ignored those requirements since Fiona no longer had the power or authority to enforce those stipulations as she was now indentured. 

 

Meaning that those who weren't trained, and the children were forced into the legion of the venatori. 

 

We don't see it in Redcliff as it's the calm before the storm, and we haven't freed either the mages or the templars from the envy demon or Alexius, but both sides are equally given a bad hand because of their superiors. 

[herkles]

My preferred option is to go to the Templars, then disband them/absorb them into the Inquisition. Neatly kills two birds with one stone as the Circles no longer have to fear the oppression of the Templars and can be more liberally run without the risk of abominations and blood mages running amok.

Who watches the mages for blood magic and abomination without the templars?

[dragonflight288]

Who watches the mages for blood magic and abomination without the templars?

 

The Inquisition. They have the templars and the seekers now, once you do Cassandra's personal quest and tell her to reform the Seekers after you find out the little bit on tranquility and the fact that Lucius knowingly allowed an Envy demon to impersonate him while he corrupted other templars. 

[Br3admax]

The Seekers don't join the Inquisition, they go back to the Chantry. The Templars similarly would no longer have jurisdiction. The mages would only watch themselves. 

[EmissaryofLies]

i stopped being a libertarian after the vote glad i dotched them for the isolationist

 

That's probably the most realistic answer to the conflict.

 

As long as the nefarious Andrastians don't find the mages and/or stay their distance. 

 

Which of course will lead to spies and that sort if the mages are ever found out.

 

Which can raise hostilities and then we have another Tevinter/Qunari type of conflict.

 

 

It's still the best way to go though; mages can finally have something of their own and be their own people.

[raging_monkey]

Who watches the mages for blood magic and abomination without the templars?

the inquisition. It goes back to the old style before the chantry inquision alliance

[MisterJB]

Actually, every rebel mage has no choice and is forced to do it. 

 

If you include Fiona in the talks when you go talk to Alexius at the beginning of the mage mission, Alexius brings up that every mage will be forced to serve in the legion and Fiona immediately interjects going "But not all of them are trained, and there are children! You said they wouldn't be forced to fight!" And Alexius disregards her point and says that they have to earn their citizenship. 

 

It sounds like Fiona gave stipulations to Alexius and the Venatori if they joined, but once they joined he ignored those requirements since Fiona no longer had the power or authority to enforce those stipulations as she was now indentured. 

 

Meaning that those who weren't trained, and the children were forced into the legion of the venatori. 

 

We don't see it in Redcliff as it's the calm before the storm, and we haven't freed either the mages or the templars from the envy demon or Alexius, but both sides are equally given a bad hand because of their superiors. 

I imagine the average mage didn't have much a say in what Fiona agreed to but if they did and if all they opposed was being forced to fight for Tevinter while accepting handing a portion of Ferelden to Tevinter control, that still doesn't speak well of them.

 

[dragonflight288]

The Seekers don't join the Inquisition, they go back to the Chantry. The Templars similarly would no longer have jurisdiction. The mages would only watch themselves. 

 

Er....the Seekers never returned to the Chantry. They followed Lucius, and Cassandra's personal quest has her decide if she'll let them die out as an order or try to reform it once it's discovered that the Lord-High Seekers throughout the ages knew about the cure for tranquility the entire time they've been an order, and that they make every single Seeker tranquil, meaning it can be done to non-mages, before curing them of it with a Fade Spirit of Faith and never telling them. 

[raging_monkey]

That's probably the most realistic answer to the conflict.
 
As long as the nefarious Andrastians don't find the mages and/or stay their distance. 
 
Which of course will lead to spies and that sort if the mages are ever found out.
 
Which can raise hostilities and then we have another Tevinter/Qunari type of conflict.
 
 
It's still the best way to go though; mages can finally have something of their own and be their own people.

thats how i see it

[Br3admax]

Actually, every rebel mage has no choice and is forced to do it. 

 

If you include Fiona in the talks when you go talk to Alexius at the beginning of the mage mission, Alexius brings up that every mage will be forced to serve in the legion and Fiona immediately interjects going "But not all of them are trained, and there are children! You said they wouldn't be forced to fight!" And Alexius disregards her point and says that they have to earn their citizenship. 

That does not mean they had no choice in selling out to Tevinter. That means that now that they belong to Tevinter they have to fight. They didn't see that coming, they're all the dumber. 

 

 

 

It sounds like Fiona gave stipulations to Alexius and the Venatori if they joined, but once they joined he ignored those requirements since Fiona no longer had the power or authority to enforce those stipulations as she was now indentured. 

Actually, no it didn't at all. It sounded like Fiona had "no choice," and though, "This is the the only way out." I say that in quotes since she really did have a choice. Don't prove everyone's opinion on mages right, being that choice. 

 

 

 

Meaning that those who weren't trained, and the children were forced into the legion of the venatori. 

 

We don't see it in Redcliff as it's the calm before the storm, and we haven't freed either the mages or the templars from the envy demon or Alexius, but both sides are equally given a bad hand because of their superiors. 

That has nothing to do with anything I said. Mages have nothing binding them to Redcliffe except for themselves. They made this bed an now they'll sleep in it. 

[Br3admax]

Er....the Seekers never returned to the Chantry. They followed Lucius, and Cassandra's personal quest has her decide if she'll let them die out as an order or try to reform it once it's discovered that the Lord-High Seekers throughout the ages knew about the cure for tranquility the entire time they've been an order, and that they make every single Seeker tranquil, meaning it can be done to non-mages, before curing them of it with a Fade Spirit of Faith and never telling them. 

When the game ends, they go back to the Chantry. Have you even finished it?

[dragonflight288]

I imagine the average mage didn't have much a say in what Fiona agreed to but if they did and if all they opposed was being forced to fight for Tevinter while accepting handing a portion of Ferelden to Tevinter control, that still doesn't speak well of them.

 

Nor does it speak well of the templars who chose to follow Lucius/Lambert, and not stay with the Chantry, as the Chantry sister says in Val Royeaux, that some stayed but not enough to call them an order. You have to talk to her before leaving the city after she gets decked in the face. 

 

But yes, I agree. Which is why I've been saying since I beat the game that neither side smells better than the other here. Both have their issues.