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[raging_monkey]

They didn't sell their uncle after he offered them shelter, tough.

just left him in lowtown on a stipend lol

[Goldarmy]

I'm not even sure why I'm doing this, but give a source. 

Source for which part?

 

Thus proving the Templars were right all along.

One of the main reason the Circle exists is to prevent the return of Tevinter and what do the mages do as soon as they declare their independence? Invite Tevinter back!

Their attempt for an alternative has been destroyed with a magical nuke. Also remember that

Spoiler

bad guy had to sent his cultists back in time because;

the upstart organisation, which had created Templars long ago, led by a delusional lunatic claiming to be Herald of Andraste had a higher priority than Tevinter.

[LOLandStuff]

Comparing Hawke's case with the mages is just silly.

 

Hawke had no choice because they had nowhere to go since they were running from the Blight. They couldn't even get into the city.

The mages chose to rebel without any plan. And unlike Hawke they actually had a place to stay.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Comparing Hawke's case with the mages is just silly.

 

Hawke had no choice because they had nowhere to go since they were running from the Blight. They couldn't even get into the city.

The mages chose to rebel without any plan. And unlike Hawke they actually had a place to stay.

Right and I guess that templar attack they were bracing for was just templars trying to invite them for tea and cookies? Considering that they needed to sell themselves to indentured servitude just to get inside the city where they thought they could stay at, Hawke was winging it just as much as the mages. God forbid we find common ground between Hawke and the mages otherwise we may actually empathize with them instead of constantly dehumanizing them.

[LightningPoodle]

Templars. The mages dicked themselves over and they only have themselves to blame. Sure, the whole "oppression" is reason to want change, but rebelling against the people that ultimately keep you safe is a sure fire way to getting yourself killed.

[herkles]

I am curious why did they go to fereldan without a plan?

 

why not the anderfels, or antivia, or Orlais, Navarra, or Rivain?

[raging_monkey]

I am curious why did they go to fereldan without a plan? why not the anderfels, or antivia, or Orlais, Navarra, or Rivain?

conclave was in fereldan and they offered harbor

[LOLandStuff]

And what about those mages deciding to go about the countryside terrorizing peasants?

[raging_monkey]

And what about those mages deciding to go about the countryside terrorizing peasants?

high of lyrium dust idk everybody was killing civies TBF. Not every temp or mage is rational

[Sports72Xtrm]

And what about those mages deciding to go about the countryside terrorizing peasants?

And what the templars or the bandits, who do the same exact thing? the point is hating all mages for the actions of the few is like hating all templars for the minority that are assholes or all nevarrens or any nation that has bad apples. You can't hold everybody accountable for the actions of a few just because they share a trait, it's unreasonable.

[raging_monkey]

And what the templars or the bandits, who do the same exact thing? the point is hating all mages for the actions of the few is like hating all templars for the minority that are assholes or all nevarrens or any nation that has bad apples. You can't hold everybody accountable for the actions of a few just because they share a trait, it's unreasonable.

people are unreasonable

[LOLandStuff]

See, I can understand templars going crazy since they're addicts and lyrium withdrawal is rather bad. You either go insane, die or if you're lucky enough, maybe be totally ok and recover.

But those mages that weren't in Redcliff just what's their problem? They saw themselves above the rest, delusions of grandeur etc. Just makes you think what were they doing south when they were supposed to go north.

 

It was rather funny seeing them blondes and wearing Anders'outfit.

 

I sided with the mages in all games, and didn't even conscript them in DAI, and all I got from them was b******g and self-entitlement.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Well what was Otto Alrik's problem? The guy was trying to tranquilize every mage and thinks that tranquils not saying no is consent to rape them. There are some people who think power over people = righteousness and people who lack the humanity or humility to think otherwise.

[Goldarmy]

I am curious why did they go to fereldan without a plan?

 

why not the anderfels, or antivia, or Orlais, Navarra, or Rivain?

They had a plan. It was "give some compromises and gain some rights at the Negotiating Table". It vaporised along with Lesbian Papess, non-insane Templars and Mages that are better at diplomacy than Fiona.

 

As for why not other places: Anderfels is a wasteland full of hardcore Andrastians, Orlais in addition to being center of Chantry is also inthe middle of a civil war, Nevarra is not close. Rivain was powerless to stop it's Circle being wiped out and didn't get any stronger. Antiva doesn't have an army, only Crows which can't be enough for Templars plus they are backstabbers.

[Hazegurl]

Right and I guess that templar attack they were bracing for was just templars trying to invite them for tea and cookies? Considering that they needed to sell themselves to indentured servitude just to get inside the city where they thought they could stay at, Hawke was winging it just as much as the mages. God forbid we find common ground between Hawke and the mages otherwise we may actually empathize with them instead of constantly dehumanizing them.

Hawke didn't start the Blight. Mages started the war.

Hawke sold himself to get inside Kirkwall for safety. The Mages did not have to sell themselves to get inside Redcliffe.

Hawke did not sell himself to the nation's enemy. The Mages sold themselves to the nation's enemy.

Hawke had zero alternatives. Fiona had the good graces of the Queen and Teagan.

Hawke didn't run his uncle from his own home. The Mages ran Teagan from his.

 

Pointing out the stupidity of the mages isn't dehumanizing them. My Hawke was a mage and I would hardly consider him comparable with Fiona and the rebel mages.

[KainD]

Kinda silly tbh, started a war then went to sit at Redcliff. If you start a war.. then got to the freaking war! 

[raging_monkey]

Kinda silly tbh, started a war then went to sit at Redcliff. If you start a war.. then got to the freaking war!

finish what you start

[Barquiel]

I had the impression that their situation only grew desperate after the conclave, probably because many powerful mages were killed there.

[KainD]

I had the impression that their situation only grew desperate after the conclave, probably because many powerful mages were killed there.

 

Many templars as well, sides are even. And the same thing btw.. start a war to sign a piece treaty. 

[myahele]

Let's also remember that mages also abused the Tranquil as well and also sold off some/most of them- as stated by Minaeve

We learn in a hut at redclif that Ocularum are made from Tranquil mages. Being the
leader Fiona should've known and agreed with the selling of Tranquil. What happened to them afterwards was no concern.

[KainD]

Let's also remember that mages also abused the Tranquil as well and also sold off some/most of them- as stated by Minaeve

We learn in a hut at redclif that Ocularum are made from Tranquil mages. Being the
leader Fiona should've known and agreed with the selling of Tranquil. What happened to them afterwards was no concern.

 

And why should it be a concern? Tranquil don't give a crap, why should others? 

[Linkenski]

Picked mages the first time, but I understood templars better as the story went on, so both choices are good.

 

I think the mages plotline sucks though because it involves time-travel. That's like part of the top-10 writing cliches that should be forever forgotten. It's just a cheap and convenient way to make some exposition for the plot, and it often and also in this case feels VERY contrived.

[LobselVith8]

I did beat the game. My epilogue never said that. 

 

True. The Seekers seem to become part of the Chantry if Cassandra becomes Divine, but there's no indication they become part of the Chantry if Leliana becomes Divine. In all likelihood, it's an independent organization if Cassandra decides to rebuild the Seekers, since the Templar Order may be dissolved and the mages will have formed the College of Enchanters.

[raging_monkey]

And why should it be a concern? Tranquil don't give a crap, why should others?

tranqs care but the dont care. Its complicated