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[MikeFL25]

I just beat the game, and I have a question.  How do you pick who becomes the new Divine?  In my game, it said that Leliana becomes the new Divine, even though there was only ever one conversation (the one with Leliana) where I said she might make a good divine.  After speaking with Cass, Lel and Viv, I actually would have preferred to see Cass become Divine, despite the fact that I romanced her.  

 

So how do you decide who becomes the Divine?  When I spoke with Viv and Cassandra, I told them both that I would rather see Cass be divine.  

[TheWinstitute]

Its very non-intuitive.

 

I spoke with all three, I did not choose dialog with Viv about the Divine.

 

But I did speak to Cassandra and Leiliana about it. After Leiliana's special mission....I told Leiliana I'd support her as divine.

 

Earlier before that I had spoke to Cassandra about her potential appointment...I told her that she was an idealist.

 

Somehow at the end of my game Cassandra ended up as Divine.

 

Not sure how that decision was made, but in the end, I'm not sure it really even matters.

 

Between the three (Red/Green/Blue), you have the Destroy ending (Leiliana) who will basically create a lot of chaos by changing how everything is done, the Synthesis Ending...where Cassandra will attempt to reform the Chantry and Circle but under new guidelines where mages are free..and the Control ending where Vivienne attempts to rebuild the entire Chantry in its old image.

 

And in the end...they all probably mean more or less the same thing come DA4.

[ashwind]

I think by default Cassandra is the canon Divine. I stayed away from the whole Divine thing and let it play itself out and Cassandra became Divine.

 

I suspect romancing Cassandra and earning the support of almost everyone (paragon actions all the way) will greatly increase her chances of becoming Divine because think about it, the Inquisitor is the true power in Thedas. Divines are elected but people think that the Inquisitor is sent by the Maker, s/he is the Herald. So, people would naturally favor the Inquisitor's lover over someone else... I think.

[Fishy]

SHe also leave with all the equipement you gave her.. THIEF

[ashwind]

SHe also leave with all the equipement you gave her.. THIEF

 

You cant blame her. The Grand Clerics are deadlier than all the Archdemons combined

[Bucky]

She comes back after you leave for a mission or a certain amount of time.  She'll ask to stay with the Inquisition until her coronation.  Gear come back with her as far as I know.

 

I didn't get involved in the choice and got Vivienne.  So I don't think it's a default situation.

[Sith Grey Warden]

I told Leliana I wouldn't support her. If it matters, she was also hardened by the events in her personal quest. I told Cassandra I would support her, and did an operation on the war table to support Cassandra. Still, I wound up with Vivienne as Divine. Did my support somehow count against her? Was it because I became friends with her? Was it because I didn't become close enough to Vivienne to pull her out?

[skotie]

I've always been Pro-mage freedom but supporting Leliana just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, weather I harden her or not.

[NugHugs]

I think it has a lot to do your influence points. Your chosen dialogue may indicate your preference but I've been assuming influence levels increase the chance of that preference becoming reality.

 

On my first playthrough (rushed), aside from telling Leliana I would support her as Divine,  I pretty much ignored the Divine storyline and Viviene ended up the Divine . . at the time I didn't even realize she was a candidate. My other playthroughs have had Leliana as Divine, both playthroughs had their influence levels on or above 15.

[Dutch]

SHe also leave with all the equipement you gave her.. THIEF

...We hates you forever!

[Fatal Fox]

There was a whole thread on what affected it somewhere... Pretty sure freeing vs conscripting the mages as well as exiling vs recruiting the Wardens affects your choice. And of course all the dialogue options you make about the chantry with the 3 candidates.

 

I think softened Leliana is the best choice but Cassandra is the safe choice. I don't know who would think Vivienne is a good idea.

[MissOuJ]

It also depends on who you ally with.

 

I think allying with the mages leans heavily towards Liliana as the Divine, whereas conscripting the mages / siding with the templars leans towards Cass / Vivienne. I think there are other factor as well (who's running Orlais, if you agree / disagree with Lils / Cass / Viv during your personal talks), but from what I've gathered, who you side with in the beginning is a pretty big factor. For example, I haven't heard of a person who has gotten Lils as a Divine after siding with the templars.

 

 

There was a whole thread on what affected it somewhere... Pretty sure freeing vs conscripting the mages as well as exiling vs recruiting the Wardens affects your choice. And of course all the dialogue options you make about the chantry with the 3 candidates.

 

Here it is.

[krukow]

Does anyone know how big an influence it is if you tell a romanced Cassandra to refuse if she's chosen?  Does she refuse?

[MissOuJ]

Does anyone know how big an influence it is if you tell a romanced Cassandra to refuse if she's chosen?  Does she refuse?

 

In the thread I posted a link to a lot of people report that telling Cass / Lils you don't support them doesn't really make a difference. It looks like it's mostly affected by your other decisions (who you support in the Winter Palace, who you side with in the beginning etc.) From the thread:

 

 

Should also be noted, I tried to discourage Cassandra from accepting in the romance dialogue but it had no affect.

[skotie]

In the thread I posted a link to a lot of people report that telling Cass / Lils you don't support them doesn't really make a difference. It looks like it's mostly affected by your other decisions (who you support in the Winter Palace, who you side with in the beginning etc.) From the thread:

I was hoping it was just because I told both Leliana and Cass I would support them. I think they both made good choices for different reasons, Leliana because she sought to spread belief in the maker by inspiration and because she wanted to allow all races to be part of chantry heiarchy. But her veiw on mages and giving them total freedom weather she's hardened or not just seems like a huge problem. By all means give them more freedoms just realize they are still a danger, and don't go so far as to let Orlais and Fereldan turn into New Tevinter. Also leaving her in charge of that mess... Leliana is a person of extremes to little or too much is not what I think we need when it comes to handling the mage situation.

 

I want to support Cass with reform but I don't really feel conscripting the mages is justified. The templars are just as much to blame for thier mistreatment, the mages made a horribly bad choice siding with Tevinter but what other choice did they have? Were the mages responible for what happened in Red Cliff, as far as I could tell they weren't.

[MikeFL25]

I wish this decision was more easily defined.  I honestly think Cass would make the best Divine, since Leliana apparently just goes murdering a bunch of people until they say "okay, I'll believe whatever you want me to" and Viv is too much a politician and flashy court lady for my tastes, while keeping pretty much everything the same.  

 

However, apparently I picked all the decisions to get Leliana elected.  I was playing as a mage, so I wasn't going to conscript the mages, even though they did really drop the ball.  I'd rather work to reform allies and steer them in the right direction than force them into indentured servitude, pissing them off like the Templars did and getting a knife in the back later.  If DA2 has taught us anything, it is that a mage will kill a person, then whine about it when they get thrown in jail and use that to justify them killing more people.  And keeping the Wardens around makes more sense IMO than exiling them.  They are still needed to kill Archdemons, and at the time the Inquisition still believed that Cory's dragon was an Archdemon.  So exiling the only forces that can kill an Archdemon is stupid.  Also, although the Wardens were incredibly stupid and did blood magic rituals, it was only after they had been manipulated into a perceived do-or-die situation by Cory's influence on the taint.  So it wasn't completely their fault, even though they really went off the deep end with it.

 

As many have said, the Inquisition becomes the most powerful force in Thedas, it would be nice if the Inquisitor was given a more straight-forward way of supporting candidacy for the next Divine besides story choices.  Maybe a few War Table missions, or a Chantry Revered Mother coming and asking the Inquisitor for their choice.  

[wright1978]

Romanced Cassandra, didn't push her towards being divine but equally didn't try and make her refuse.

Hardened Leliana and supported her becoming Divine.

Didn't speak to Viv about it but did say mages should be allowed in Chantry.

Thankfully ended up with Leliana, brutally reforming the Chantry from the ground up.

[StingingVelvet]

I told everyone I wanted Cassandra and did the Cassandra war room mission and Cassandra became Divine.

 

I think a lot of people tell everyone yes, which mixes up the game logic. You have to be clear about who you want.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I thought it weird that the female human Inquisitor isn't a option for Divine considering their from a noble family with strong ties to the Chantry & are seen as the 2nd coming of Andraste. I understand why the elven, dwarf & qunari inquisitors becoming leader wouldn't end well but it seems like the human PC would be happily accepted providing they ain't a mage

[Cuthlan]

I romanced Cass, did her support mission, ignored Vivienne late in the game when Leliana started talking about the Divine again, wound up with Cass.

 

Viv is far too ambitious for me... she was prestige, regardless of where it comes. Leliana and Cassandra at least actually care about the Chantry. Of the two, Cass seemed to want it least which made her perfect for it.

[Cuthlan]

They all care about the Chantry. They just express different aspects of it. Leliana's views kind of reflect condemnations of slavery and inquality. Cass emphasizes a lot of Chant of Light passages about peacemakers and champions of the just. Fighting for common folk. Vivienne emphasizes that "magic must serve man, not rule over him" and the responsibility that Andraste taught that mages should live up to.

 

Vivienne is just too ambitious to me. In talking to her, I got the distinct impression that she would take any role whether it was with the Chantry or not as long as it improved her station and brought her prestige.

[Kantr]

It depends on choices you make in-game, Plus how you to speak to them about choosing