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#26
Bann Duncan

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I thought it weird that the female human Inquisitor isn't a option for Divine considering their from a noble family with strong ties to the Chantry & are seen as the 2nd coming of Andraste. I understand why the elven, dwarf & qunari inquisitors becoming leader wouldn't end well but it seems like the human PC would be happily accepted providing they ain't a mage

 

It would make a lot of sense, but leaving other issues aside you'd have people crying "racism" at BioWare like they did for non-human nobles not being on Ferelden's throne.

 

That and the Inquisitor's story is far from over.



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It would make a lot of sense, but leaving other issues aside you'd have people crying "racism" at BioWare like they did for non-human nobles not being on Ferelden's throne.
 
That and the Inquisitor's story is far from over.


Maybe its racism, but it would just be obvious that nobody would accept a qunari or elf as Divine considering elves are seen as little better then animals in some places & a qunari Divine would likely panic the masses into thinking the Qun had taken over despite them being Tal-Vashoth

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Maybe its racism, but it would just be obvious that nobody would accept a qunari or elf as Divine considering elves are seen as little better then animals in some places & a qunari Divine would likely panic the masses into thinking the Qun had taken over despite them being Tal-Vashoth

 

I wasn't saying it is; I was just predicting the BSN reaction if so. :)

 

That said, by endgame the Inquisitor is pretty universally beloved by the average Fereldan and Orlesian and at least respected by the higher-ups.



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I wasn't saying it is; I was just predicting the BSN reaction if so. :)
 
That said, by endgame the Inquisitor is pretty universally beloved by the average Fereldan and Orlesian and at least respected by the higher-ups.


I think my inquisitor would have made a good Divine :( sad that Cassandra is the only decent choice to make Thedas better seeing as Viv & Leliana both become vicious tyrants if made leader, likely making things worse in the long run

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Its weird, because I spoke with Cassandra and told her that she would make a good Divine, even though I romanced her and didn't want her to leave.  A few hours later I spoke with Leliana, and gave a non-committal "you'd be a good divine" answer.  That is until she started talking about how people would listen or else she would "make them listen".  Then I spoke to Vivienne and we both agreed that Cassandra would be the best choice.  However, then on the war table the mission was to support Vivienne as the next Divine instead of Cassandra.

 

I really with BioWare made this choice more intuitive and user-friendly.  It seems wrong that a big decision like this which will undoubtedly affect the Inquisition and future installments of the series should be a result of hidden variables.  



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 However, then on the war table the mission was to support Vivienne as the next Divine instead of Cassandra.

The operation appears regardless of what you do. It's there for you to be able to even have Vivienne as a divine. If you don't do it it's between Cassandra and Leliana, if you do complete Vivienne is added to the list.

 

Originally I got Leliana Divine despite completing it.
 



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If anyone is looking for a recipe for Divine Vivienne or what to avoid if you dont want Divine Vivienne

- sided with the templars

- took the Grey Wardens under the Inquisition's wing

- empress Celene rules alone

- did everyone's (Cass, Leli, Vivienne) inner circle mission

- supported Vivienne

- did NOT support Cass and Leli (talked them down, sort of)

- did Vivienne's support mission

- had 15-something influence by the time I stabbed Cory to death

End result: Divine Vivienne.

As far as my reasons; I value education and think mages need circles in order to hone their skills. Of course, the templar abuse was bad and not the correct way to do that, but if I remember correctly, Vivienne at some point in the game mentions that the mage-templar conflict started due to abuse of power, on the templar side, not because templars are a bad 'tool' ("duhr hur reducing people to tools is bad, duhr hur" yes, but wardens are as much tools as templars). She deems templars necessary to protect the innocent from mages as well as mages against themselves. Vivienne is also the living example that the whole idea of mages being oppressed is partially due to the mages themselves; if it were truly only the Chantry's fault, Vivienne would never have been able to rise to the rank she did.



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I romanced Cassandra, so if she becomes the Divine, does that screw up our romance?



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Here's what I did to get Viv:

Ally with Templars
Celene and Briala reconcile
Did Viv's support mission and suggested she'd be a great divine
When I talked with Cass and Leliana I was as strongly negative as possible about their becoming the divine

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The operation appears regardless of what you do. It's there for you to be able to even have Vivienne as a divine. If you don't do it it's between Cassandra and Leliana, if you do complete Vivienne is added to the list.

 

Originally I got Leliana Divine despite completing it.
 

Except, I didn't get a single wartable mission for any divine, disagreed with everything Vivienne said, but she still became divine. If I had a big button saying "Leliana for Divine" on the middle of my screen, I'd press it right away, and probably still get stuck with Vivienne.



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The operation appears regardless of what you do. It's there for you to be able to even have Vivienne as a divine. If you don't do it it's between Cassandra and Leliana, if you do complete Vivienne is added to the list.

 

Originally I got Leliana Divine despite completing it.
 

wrong, that support  viv operation wont appear if u do not say to viv that u would make a good divine, i told viv what about Lil & that operation never appeared



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That was the biggest epilogue 'WTF' for me. Somehow I had....Vivienne.

 

I barelyeven  talked to her and I never did her quest. I was not offered a 'choice' wheel with Cassandra (even though she was friend with my human femRogue), and I chose NOT to support Leliana's hippy-style. 

 

In one of the Viv's final  dialogues we were talking about Cassandra being a good candidate, I never said that I approve Viv.  I was hoping to get Cassandra. But the logic is not really intuitive here. It's not good. 

 

ps: I think I've seen Viv's operation available at the table, have no idea why. I had not done it. 



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That was the biggest epilogue 'WTF' for me. Somehow I had....Vivienne.

 

I barelyeven  talked to her and I never did her quest. I was not offered a 'choice' wheel with Cassandra (even though she was friend with my human femRogue), and I chose NOT to support Leliana's hippy-style. 

 

In one of the Viv's final  dialogues we were talking about Cassandra being a good candidate, I never said that I approve Viv.  I was hoping to get Cassandra. But the logic is not really intuitive here. It's not good. 

 

ps: I think I've seen Viv's operation available at the table, have no idea why. I had not done it. 

i think its like this, talk to her wrong way & u lose, ignore her completely & u lose, lose ur chance to make divine the one u want

 

 

 

Here is post i made here to another topic, it explains what i have done so far

 

when i make 3th, 2H warrior, he will be bit more strict, supports Mage Freedom, But cause what she did, my char will trow her in jail, i mean Fiona, i mean the other option not join as allies option, & Cass is better as a Divine then Viv, with Viv all remain same, but cass admitted that Chantry needs to change, i consider her a Neutral option, Viv bad, but again, 100% freedom mote be disaster like that Devinter mage who joined me said, only time can tell, but i'm totally against Viv, sometimes i skip dialog with by doing quest w8 for new dialogue, just to avoid her leaving, if  some missions give her disapproval fine, but if she starts bitching i rather not talk to her, i did the same with my elf mage (playing to char's cause one is near end & my people doing operations, so i w8 when they are done), when she is in my party with Solas & i hear her i don't want to kill her just want to give her arrow in the ass & tape her mouth :D, she is like shes all knowing, dam Solas has much more experience then her, & for Viv its good to talk about that restoring the old order is necessary  cause she had good life while in Kirkwall & ferelden mages were treated like slaves, Templars abusing them, u do remember story's that Anders told, at lest Cass would change things a little, THX god i can replace her new from my party with that Devinter guy

 

 

when it comes to this elections, i believe that it depends on dialogue a lot, like when i don't chose option about where u say mages should be free then u wont get Lil, if u talk with Viv, if u support chantry then she will become divine, if u support chantry a bit with talking with Cass she will become Divine, well i think it works like this, its similar to how in DA2 u set ur char personality, diplomatic sarcastic or aggressive, only difference its more about 2 things not just talk, Talk + Peron u talk with, & i think even if u say it to NPC mage that they should be free, it will effect end result,  one thing people can try, with Viv never say that u support chantry & that stuff, with cass say u support her way of restoring chantry, if u don't like Viv, at least u avoid her becoming...  well i will test it, but even so there still mite be surprises that changes end, like u think ur doing awry thing like u want, but in the end its not like u wanted, even a bug is possible that messes it up for u

 

90% i support mages, usually my response is free mages, but with some chars i will try different things, like even when helping Templar's Lil as Divine, & supporting mages & cass as Divine

 

strange, when coriffious attacked Haven my elf ranger did not have 1 option, that it was gift from Andraste, Elf Mage had that option, does it has to do with Elf mage being a keeper & about mages knowledge about magic, not that i would use that option with elf, with 1 human warrior, i will be strong believer that i am what people call me :D, i just wonder how meany things effect dialogue, race & class both? + info u get from books, it seems more complicated the previous games



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90% i support mages, usually my response is free mages,

Ah yes. also this. Could the side matter? I sided with the Templars. I never supported the  old Chantry though, and I never hated the mages. It just seemed a right thing to do. 



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Ah yes. also this. Could the side matter? I sided with the Templars. I never supported the  old Chantry though, and I never hated the mages. It just seemed a right thing to do. 

not so much, i heard that 1 sided with Templar's & got Lil as Divine (if its not a bug or a lie), but i think side is just one factor that can be nullified with other factors



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I romanced Cassandra, so if she becomes the Divine, does that screw up our romance?

If she becomes Divine, yes the romance ends. You have to avoid her becoming Divine in order for them to remain together. 



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If she becomes Divine, yes the romance ends. You have to avoid her becoming Divine in order for them to remain together. 

that's dumb that thy did it like that, Divine can have a affair to, look at real life, not all Nuns & Priest are innocent like that, with out an affair cheating on god LOL



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I thought it weird that the female human Inquisitor isn't a option for Divine considering their from a noble family with strong ties to the Chantry & are seen as the 2nd coming of Andraste. I understand why the elven, dwarf & qunari inquisitors becoming leader wouldn't end well but it seems like the human PC would be happily accepted providing they ain't a mage

Well if Vivenne can be the divine and a mage, why not a human mage?



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Cassandra has a support war table mission as well. You need the noble perk before you talk to her after that chantry mother shows up.

 

Shortly after, I did Blackwall's thingie in Val Royeaux, and you can hear idle chatter about the "Right Hand/Nevarran" being the favorite. Cassandra even says she shouldn't be listening to such rumors.



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that's dumb that thy did it like that, Divine can have a affair to, look at real life, not all Nuns & Priest are innocent like that, with out an affair cheating on god LOL

 

It doesn't fit her character, she's very conservative and if she is chosen she wants to give the position her 100% attention. 



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Chosing the divine is where your own political opinion counts.

There are three options:
 

Leliana: Rebuild/Mage Freedom

Vivienne: Status Quo

Cassandra: Reform

So, what'll it be?

My decision was:

1. Cassandra stays with the Inquisition.
2. Leliana as Divine.

After all I romanced Cassandra, and she is a hell of a dragon slayer. My ultimate tank. Logically she is not expendable in my world.
I prefer Leliana as the Divine. Her views are much more humane. She is not a dictatoric snob like Vivienne. She want both the old chantry and mage freedom.

I could accept a reform of the chantry with Cassandra, but I would not gain mage freedom. So, it's not an option as freedom for everyone is non negotiable. I want all people to be equal.
 



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I fear for the assassin who tries to assassinate Divine Victoria.

 

I'd imaging it'd go somewhere along the lines of President Jackson and the poor fellow who got the beating of a lifetime.



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Leliana's policies are a disaster after another. 

Vivienne sets up a dangerous precedent.

And that leaves my LI.

 

(sigh) Well, my Inquisitor was already considering falling on his sword to deprive Flemeth of a weapon.



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Leliana's policies are a disaster after another. 

Vivienne sets up a dangerous precedent.

And that leaves my LI.

 

(sigh) Well, my Inquisitor was already considering falling on his sword to deprive Flemeth of a weapon.

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So, you do not trust other people and do not wish to grant them their freedom?

If you were a mage, would you like your freedom?

I try to live by the rule that says: Treat others as you want them to treat you.

Put your self in the position of a mage.



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I think my inquisitor would have made a good Divine :( sad that Cassandra is the only decent choice to make Thedas better seeing as Viv & Leliana both become vicious tyrants if made leader, likely making things worse in the long run

 

You do know that a softened Leliana is THE only option for Divine that involves peace with no blood-shed, right?