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[Sugram84]

lelianna is perfect. she will make the tension go away and everyone in the south will sing and hold hands together. the centuries of tensions between humans and elves and mages and templars just go away because lelianna says so.

 

While I would like that to happen it feels pretty much like a utopia/too perfect for a dark fantasy setting.

yes, i agree, cause its most likely that hole world there becomes like Devinter with Leliana as Divine, but i still chose her to see what happens, maybe when u harden her she will be a bit different, harden/soften depends on how u talk with them, specially with their personal missions

 

 

what i said on my previous post, i screw up some things with my first char, but in Keep i can fix them

[NRieh]

 

I'd say it's pretty clear at this point.

Not much like that, there's a lot of posts where players had supported one and totally ignored\disliked the other, and still had latter as a result.  We also have no idea which of the mid-game talks and events may (or may not) be involved in this plot.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Not much like that, there's a lot of posts where players had supported one and totally ignored\disliked the other, and still had latter as a result.  We also have no idea which of the mid-game talks and events may (or may not) be involved in this plot.

 

Yeah we do, look no further than the link in my signature. First post. 

[dantares83]

i never understood why did they even make Vivienne a choice since she is a mage. Chantry still hates magic and i am pretty sure they would rather choose an unheard noble than Vivienne even with all her connections.

[pottman]

i never understood why did they even make Vivienne a choice since she is a mage. Chantry still hates magic and i am pretty sure they would rather choose an unheard noble than Vivienne even with all her connections.

 

That's why I flatout deny that option ever existing.

[Fardreamer]

i never understood why did they even make Vivienne a choice since she is a mage. Chantry still hates magic and i am pretty sure they would rather choose an unheard noble than Vivienne even with all her connections.

It's politics, and Vivienne is extremely good at playing the Game. Basically she gets support becuase she made political promises and no one want to go against the Inquisition at this point.

[Sugram84]

That's why I flatout deny that option ever existing.

her as Divine is one step towards changing hole world in to Devinter, power gets in her head sooner or later or after her Chantry will accept more mages & next Divine is like Magister  or he is one just pretending not to be, easy for Devinter to conquer the world, i se her as divine the worst idea if it would be real world, despite that i support mage freedom

 

http://forum.bioware...hose-as-divine/

[Jaron Oberyn]

i never understood why did they even make Vivienne a choice since she is a mage. Chantry still hates magic and i am pretty sure they would rather choose an unheard noble than Vivienne even with all her connections.

 

They don't still hate magic, the person chosen is based on your decisions throughout the game. I.e. choices that support mage freedom lead to Leliana, and in her ending they say Mages have been more accepted than ever before.

[Jagrevi]

I was actually relatively happy to get Vivienne as the divine. If people are going to run around with these powers, even as teenagers, I'd rather they get some type of formal education, so my vote was basically for "anyone but Leliana". Also, as far as the realism of getting her elected goes, the "Chantry's" position (assuming it is even some coherent thing) doesn't seem as pertinent as the position of the ... I want to say "Council of Cardinals"? Whatever they're called. I'm not sure exactly how the process works, it might just be like 8 people voting.

[dantares83]

It's politics, and Vivienne is extremely good at playing the Game. Basically she gets support becuase she made political promises and no one want to go against the Inquisition at this point.

 

i understand part of it is because of the way she is playing the Game but seriously, a mage? Wouldn't that make them Tevinter? And they have repeated exalted march against Tevinter because of the Black Divine!

 

I mean no doubt that choosing Leliana did more 'damage' to the Chantry but they couldn't have known. And at least Leliana was a sister and Cassandra has worked with the past two Divines.

 

And they never explain why she got choosen in the first place right?

[Sugram84]

with my first char, i have mentioned him before, i wanted Liliana Divine & got her as divine, with others when i talk u do search for dialogue that give approval, eve a little bit, but when it came to mages i always said mages should be free (i said that awry where where i had that option, its possible i missed one or 2) & when talking to Viv i said what about Liliana when she started talking about who should become Divine, Cass i convinced to try other way & later talks i supported that she would rebuild seekers & make them better, i think u just need to be careful what u say to who, & when i finally got  to discuss divine thing with Lil i said i support u

 

i wonder what happens if u side with Templar's at last moment choosing between the 2 from war table & support Lil, cant find a video about that

 

 

Morrigan asked, would i like to become god, get the throne, does that mean that ending is possible where i use the orb to take the throne of the Maker? HELL YEA, I WANNA TRY to find out what happens if i do that , when Coriphious attacks Haven he wants u to kneel, i wonder what happens if u do? u can join him? that would be scary

 

Bull's Men Died, i was thinking, its a big mess, big war, leader cant be to soft in that situation + real soldier's would hate u if u save their ass & abandon mission that could have huge impact to either side depending on who wins that match in alliance mission where u make that decision, in games i have seen warriors & know how their mind works, i did not wanted to disgrace them

[Pillowy_Object]

It depends on choices you make in-game, Plus how you to speak to them about choosing

this. there is no one choice. who you get as divine is the combined result of voices you made throughout the game and whether you aligned yourself in any particular way with the three potential options

[TheCreeper]

So according to a recently bit of Concept Art Matt Rhodes put up on Deviant Art, at one point there where plans for there to be an Option to have Inquisitor name themselves as Divine, this would have been extremely hard for a Male Qunari apparently.

[Sugram84]

i so a video, hardened Leliana Divine, she will be like crusader, forcing human religion even on Dealish Elves, i was like OMG, i think its the worst of all choices

[Sugram84]

this time i talked with Viv after i got mages as allies, after that just staring chat with her greatly disproves then 2 time slight & then  greatly again & when i got to skyhold she was like a ******, trying to provoke me/make me mad (Cut scene after her room was ready) LOL , i guess my approval lvl is on negative side with her a bit, with other 2 chars avoided chat with her after that mission so it never went that far, i wonder will she still give her inner circle mission to me where she try's to save her lover, where u need to get potion ingredients for her, its kind of funny seeing her acting childish & bitchy

[DariusDrannen]

Does anyone know how big an influence it is if you tell a romanced Cassandra to refuse if she's chosen?  Does she refuse?

 

I romanced Cassandra and told her to refuse the job, but she took the job anyway.  I even told Leliana I'd support her as Divine (while telling Cassandra not to take it).

 

I think who you romance or support has ZERO impact.  I think it boils down to the templar/mage decision and the Gaspard/Celine/Briala decision, which is kind of dumb, IMO.

 

If your support or decision carries zero weight, don't even offer that dialogue as it's misleading and pointless.

[NaclynE]

Its very non-intuitive.

 

I spoke with all three, I did not choose dialog with Viv about the Divine.

 

But I did speak to Cassandra and Leiliana about it. After Leiliana's special mission....I told Leiliana I'd support her as divine.

 

Earlier before that I had spoke to Cassandra about her potential appointment...I told her that she was an idealist.

 

Somehow at the end of my game Cassandra ended up as Divine.

 

Not sure how that decision was made, but in the end, I'm not sure it really even matters.

 

Between the three (Red/Green/Blue), you have the Destroy ending (Leiliana) who will basically create a lot of chaos by changing how everything is done, the Synthesis Ending...where Cassandra will attempt to reform the Chantry and Circle but under new guidelines where mages are free..and the Control ending where Vivienne attempts to rebuild the entire Chantry in its old image.

 

And in the end...they all probably mean more or less the same thing come DA4.

 

Well i agree I am unsure myself even though I think some things may factor in but I am entirely unsure. I can explain what I at least did:

 

-Cassandra-

 

Told her to walk her own path and have her make her own decisions

 

Did both missions for her.

 

Told chantry supporters that Cassandra can make her own decisions

 

-Leliana-

 

killed chantry spy person

 

told Liliana that she is more or less a spymaster and has changed

 

told her she can make amends with the chantry but Liliana felt she is more of a killer than a priestess

 

Gave my support to Liliana about being the next divine.

 

-Vivian-

 

Did both personal missions

 

supported her political meetings

 

I think I asked her (loosely) about her thoughts but she was beating around the bush about her interest I felt.

 

Was friends with Viviana and Cassandra

 

*Viviane became divine*

 

Frankly I have no clue here and am stumped on how that happened.

[ArtiniusTheTemplar]

Well, I got Cassandra. To be honest, I'm not too sorry: considering all the horrible things done by Blood Magic, there needs to be an eye kept on Mages, though I don't agree with all methods used by the Templars.

 

I chose to recruit the Templars under Ser Barris.

 

I chose to make the Gaspard, Celene and the Elf Spy Master make up and rule as three.

 

I chose to let the Grey Wardens stay, as I believed that banishing them would mean we would have trouble for the next blight, and they needed to atone for their deeds.

 

I chose to deal with the Guardians.

 

I am a little sad as Cassandra was my romance, however my Inquisitor could live with her being the Divine.... he's still got all his friends, so he's fine with it. Besides, I think he liked the idea of a Divine who is reasonable in ideals but quite forthright in method. I hope she took some notes from the Left Hand of the Divine though, as she does still seem to be a radical, although popular. Now we have the Seekers and Templars back, and I suspect Cassandra will be lenient on mages. Bet Vivienne's happy.

 

Also, decided to become a Templar myself... ran around in Volcanic Aurium Templar armour near the end. Don't regret choosing them as I thought I would, as most of the horrible ones became Red Templars.

[Sugram84]

I romanced Cassandra and told her to refuse the job, but she took the job anyway.  I even told Leliana I'd support her as Divine (while telling Cassandra not to take it).

 

I think who you romance or support has ZERO impact.  I think it boils down to the templar/mage decision and the Gaspard/Celine/Briala decision, which is kind of dumb, IMO.

 

If your support or decision carries zero weight, don't even offer that dialogue as it's misleading and pointless.

 

did u speak with all Viv Cass & Lil accordingly awry time u did, & did u do it often? also it possible that war table missions effect that out come a bit, 2 times row & i got Lil as Divine, i preached that mages should be free with awry one who had that choice, maybe i missed 1 or 2 choices, but mostly i did that, as much as possible & i manged to keep people who disagree with it still like me (as u know big missions effect even members who are not in my party, smaller ones & chat the ones that are in my party, so i sometimes switch my party member to in camp to get back the lost approval), maybe i have just learned DA series Char manipulation from previous games (or maybe its in my nature to say the right things)? also maybe i check on my inner circle to often about do they have something new to talk to me about, i have seen videos, Templar's as Allies & Lil as Divine. seems some choices & the way to talk can mess things up, first time i knew less about DAI, but i have gotten a small feel about it, enough to not to mess up, i hope, i say i hope cause currently its just my 3th time, 3th char

 

firs time i had Celene alone at throne, second time i blackmailed the 3 to work together

 

to bad i don't like to record, or maybe i'm lazy a bit , i would show with video how i got to that point, also if i would it mite make game bugs even worse, like sometimes game just shuts down for example

[Obadiah]

Leliana (softened) gets this epilogue slide:

"One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Leliana as successor to the Sunburst Throne."
"Given the name Divine Victoria, she first declares an end to the Circle of Magi; the mages will now govern themselves."
"She opens the priesthood to other races, declares support for the Inquisition, and rededicates the Chantry to the principle of charity."
"Divine Victoria is controversial from the start, several new sects arise, resisting her reforms and declaring her rule a threat to the faith."
"She meets with their leaders, urging unity. Miraculously her words take root, and - for now - the Chantry remains strong."

"The Inquisition's mages - the former rebels led by Grand Enchanter Fiona - are left with a choice."
"When Leliana disbands the Circles, they leave the Inquisition and reform the College of Enchanters as a new order." "The College, they say will allow mages of the south to gather in peace and seek new solutions to age-old problems." "For the moment, it appears to be working - mages are enjoying unprecedented acceptance throughout Thedas."

This is THE single best out-come for peace and for the mages...

Sounds good. Seems doomed though. Hope it works out.

I liked Cassandra's Divine ending more.

[fizzypop]

As far as we know it is based on some decisions you make, dialogue that you choose within the game IE do you support mage freedom or not? Chantry or not? (if you try to make everyone happy with you, you might actually end up with a more rng divine since your answers aren't always consistent nor are your actions), and the conversations you have with the three possible divines (I think these are more used for tie breakers). You don't have to support anyone for a divine to be chosen. Leliana was going to be my divine simply because I was a very extreme anti-chantry and pro-mage character. My dalish elf never spent time with the circle or within human chantry matters. So no matter who I chose to support she was going to be my divine.

So advice? Be consistent with your actions and dialogue, and you'll probably get the divine you want.

[Sugram84]

As far as we know it is based on some decisions you make, dialogue that you choose within the game IE do you support mage freedom or not? Chantry or not? (if you try to make everyone happy with you, you might actually end up with a more rng divine since your answers aren't always consistent nor are your actions), and the conversations you have with the three possible divines (I think these are more used for tie breakers). You don't have to support anyone for a divine to be chosen. Leliana was going to be my divine simply because I was a very extreme anti-chantry and pro-mage character. My dalish elf never spent time with the circle or within human chantry matters. So no matter who I chose to support she was going to be my divine.

So advice? Be consistent with your actions and dialogue, and you'll probably get the divine you want.

i can't say i was anti-chantry, i kind of agreed it needs change, when talking with Cass & Lil, rest is in my last post, not anti-chantry, but i don't agree with chantry, well with my 3th char cause its human who believes he is the herald , i did not show my anti-chantry side with previous chars neither, but can't remember awry chat  i had , but i said mages should be free often

 

but mostly ur right about that

 

maybe we are  DA nerds (even if not high LVL nerds) & the type who keep an eye on almost awry thing in the game LOL

& some forget to visit Skyhold enough often, i know some dialogues will be skipped if u play to long with out talking with people & continue mane missions to with out talking with them & that mite mess things up to

 

with my first char i messed up few things to (not who i want as Divine part, that went as planned) i cleared all ares before getting in skyhold, all possible areas, i was lvl 15 or 16, maybe 17 to, then i W8 long time when i continued mane missions, like Wicked eyes and..., maybe even ur mission order & what lvl u do them mite effect that to, if not that ur influence lvl, cause i had it pretty high from clearing areas/Maps so that maybe saved my skin the first time

 

i have noticed that to get new dialogue there are 3 triggers 2 for none companions like example Cullen, mane Missions influence lvl & approval lvl, one time after i got influence lvl up i had new dialogue with Lil & some others to i think

[MaxQuartiroli]

I supported everyone but Vivienne, often made choices with gave me disapproval from Vivienne, and in the end my divine became.. Vivienne !!!

 

i suppose that on my next playtrough I'll avoid to talk with her at all. IF it's true that some generic opinions that you express during the dialogues are far more influent than expressing CLEARLY your support for a specific candidate. IMHO the path that you have to follow to get your divine needs to be far less vague and imprecise considering that it seems really to be a major choice.

[Sugram84]

I supported everyone but Vivienne, often made choices with gave me disapproval from Vivienne, and in the end my divine became.. Vivienne !!!

 

i suppose that on my next playtrough I'll avoid to talk with her at all. IF it's true that some generic opinions that you express during the dialogues are far more influent than expressing CLEARLY your support for a specific candidate. IMHO the path that you have to follow to get your divine needs to be far less vague and imprecise considering that it seems really to be a major choice.

well i agree, cause her as Divine, the hole world Becomes like Devinter, i tried some dialogue options & loaded, no idea does she knows that, but shes Total Devinter, with one exception, no blood magic & not extreme as they, but even little bit towards Devinter & When she dies some1 with more ambition will push it to Devinter Style even if he or she did not intend to, i think u get my point

[Sugram84]

after listening in i did not talk to this guy's, i always just listened in, worked like a Spy & only talked with important people, this guy's in the video at the beginning

maybe missing some option helps to, like u mite do wrong choice if u don't know the right one to support Lil as Divine, i heard this quest influences the end result to, but don't know how, how meany choices in that mission do, so missing them mite have helped me get Lil previous 2 times, i wonder how my 3th turns out

 

with 3th i plan to blackmail the 3, chose u 3 work for me new, in wicked eyes and wicked hearts, instead of choosing u 3 work together, interesting to know what happens cause of it