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[De Vulus]

It's not like Cory was this nice guy before getting the orb. Solas knew what he was and did it anyway. Right wrong or indifferent he put all of thedas at risk in an act of selfishness. He wasn't trying to fix anything IMO only retrieve the orb. That becomes painfully apparent when the orb shatters and just vanishes.

While he may not be your textbook bad guy he is certainly closer to that side of the spectrum than good. If that's ok with you that's one thing, but to make him out to be this bleeding heart trying to save the world is projecting what you want to see him as rather than what he is.

Plenty of people fall for horrible companions. The ones who stay miserable forever are the one who refuse to see the truth.

Well we don't know what he planned to do with the Orb. For all we know he was trying to turn the landscapes into marshmallow trees and cotton candy mountains.

[Nyaore]

It's not like Cory was this nice guy before getting the orb. Solas knew what he was and did it anyway. Right wrong or indifferent he put all of thedas at risk in an act of selfishness. He wasn't trying to fix anything IMO only retrieve the orb. That becomes painfully apparent when the orb shatters and just vanishes.

While he may not be your textbook bad guy he is certainly closer to that side of the spectrum than good. If that's ok with you that's one thing, but to make him out to be this bleeding heart trying to save the world is projecting what you want to see him as rather than what he is.

Plenty of people fall for horrible companions. The ones who stay miserable forever are the one who refuse to see the truth.

Ehhh, I'd argue on that point. Depending on how long Solas was awake before handing over his orb it's entirely possible he had no idea about the exact story behind Corypheus or the tainting of the Black City. Arlathan fell long before the Magisters broke the Veil, and we simply don't have enough information on where Solas was asleep or for how long. If he went to sleep in the aftermath of sealing the Forgotten Ones and the rest of the Elvhen Pantheon, minus Mythal who we now know was murdered before then though not by who, he probably missed the entire thing. He also probably felt he could maneuver around Corypheus and found out far too late he was incapable of doing so in his weakened state.

Or, he could have had his orb taken by force. Though Flemeth's dialogue makes that unlikely.

[SamanthaJ]

It's not like Cory was this nice guy before getting the orb. Solas knew what he was and did it anyway. Right wrong or indifferent he put all of thedas at risk in an act of selfishness. He wasn't trying to fix anything IMO only retrieve the orb. That becomes painfully apparent when the orb shatters and just vanishes.

While he may not be your textbook bad guy he is certainly closer to that side of the spectrum than good. If that's ok with you that's one thing, but to make him out to be this bleeding heart trying to save the world is projecting what you want to see him as rather than what he is.

Plenty of people fall for horrible companions. The ones who stay miserable forever are the one who refuse to see the truth.

I never said he was trying to say the world. I said his action were to serve the People, whoever they are. You're projecting what you want to see, if you don't recognize his good qualities as well as his bad. 

[OHB MajorV]

Ehhh, I'd argue on that point. Depending on how long Solas was awake before handing over his orb it's entirely possible he had no idea about the exact story behind Corypheus or the tainting of the Black City. Arlathan fell long before the Magisters broke the Veil, and we simply don't have enough information on where Solas was asleep or for how long. If he went to sleep in the aftermath of sealing the Forgotten Ones and the rest of the Elvhen Pantheon, minus Mythal who we now know was murdered before then though not by who, he probably missed the entire thing. He also probably felt he could maneuver around Corypheus and found out far too late he was incapable of doing so in his weakened state.
Or, he could have had his orb taken by force. Though Flemeth's dialogue makes that unlikely.

One look at Cory and you know that guy has bad intentions, mix that with solas knowing the power he possesed (enough to unlock the orb apparently) and I think my point rings true.

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fen'Harel

The dread wolf hasn't exactly been depicted as the kind helpful soul you all want to believe he is. His help always comes with a steep price. Yeah he helped the inquisition (fix the problem he created) but if the myth holds true what will be the cost?

I personally think he Intends to release the old gods from their prisons to have them rule over man once again to atone for his betrayal. Is that what you guys want?

[nightscrawl]

1) there is absolutely a good reason for him to leave.

2) you should watch some Doctor who. There's some important messages about how pain and sadness are every bit as important as happyness.

3) things are more involving when they take your heart on a roller coaster instead of a... something that only goes one way.... ya that metaphor sucked.

 

Really? The Doctor is f-ing miserable. They're valuable emotions sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck to feel that way.

[OHB MajorV]

I never said he was trying to say the world. I said his action were to serve the People, whoever they are. You're projecting what you want to see, if you don't recognize his good qualities as well as his bad.

No I'm projecting what the lore tells us about the dread wolf.

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fen'Harel

[SamanthaJ]

No I'm projecting what the lore tells us about the dread wolf.

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fen'Harel

Except we just learned that a lot of lore was wrong...specifically lore about Arlathan, ancient elves, Fen'Harel...

[De Vulus]

I personally think he Intends to release the old gods from their prisons to have them rule over man once again to atone for his betrayal. Is that what you guys want?

Hell yeah that's what I want, if it makes a good game!

 

I didn't really want some old dusty darkspawn Magister to unleash the fifth Blight either, but it made one great game so what the hell.

[OHB MajorV]

Says who? Him? Flemeth? Because both have been so forthcoming with the truth.

You will see soon enough because with BW revealing who he is to us it's not like they can do a DLC or DA4 and have us pretend to be clueless.

But I guess then the conversation will be, well flemeth possesed him.

[OHB MajorV]

Hell yeah that's what I want, if it makes a good game!

I didn't really want some old dusty darkspawn Magister to unleash the fifth Blight either, but it made one great game so what the hell.

Touché.

[SamanthaJ]

Says who? Him? Flemeth? Because both have been so forthcoming with the truth.

You will see soon enough because with BW revealing who he is to us it's not like they can do a DLC or DA4 and have us pretend to be clueless.

But I guess then the conversation will be, well flemeth possesed him.

Him, Flemeth who is carrying Mythal who said she was betrayed, Abelas who said Fen'Harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder and that the elves warred between themselves and Tevinter had nothing to do with it, codex entries that said he was more a god of rebellion...the entire game he preached against slavery, the Qun, binding anything against their will. His rebelliousness is quite obvious. 

[OHB MajorV]

Him, Flemeth who is carrying Mythal who said she was betrayed, Abelas who said Fen'Harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder and that the elves warred between themselves and Tevinter had nothing to do with it, codex entries that said he was more a god of rebellion...the entire game he preached against slavery, the Qun, binding anything against their will. His rebelliousness is quite obvious.

Believe what you will, the road to ruin is often paved with good intentions.

Wheel sea!!!

[Nyaore]

Says who? Him? Flemeth? Because both have been so forthcoming with the truth.

You will see soon enough because with BW revealing who he is to us it's not like they can do a DLC or DA4 and have us pretend to be clueless.

But I guess then the conversation will be, well flemeth possesed him.

No, common sense and lore. The Dalish lore is already known to be piecemeal as most of it was lost after the Fall of Arlathan, which we've learned from Abelas at the Temple of Mythal was caused by civil war and not the intervention of Tevinter. We also learned that vallaslin are slave markings and by Abelas' own words he does not consider the current Dalish or City elves to be 'his people', which either suggests a deep divide or that they've change so drastically over the years that they aren't even recognizeable. Ever play telephone as a child? Remember how hard it was to get a message down the line depending upon how many people were playing, ignoring that one brat who always messed it up because they could? Now try playing that over thousands of years, two complete annihilation's of their empires, slavery, an Exalted March, being treated like second class citizens, and every bit of lore recovered being spread out between clans that are sometimes hundreds of miles apart that are all slowly developing into their own microcosms. 

Also, this:

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Rebel_God

By all means, hate him. Doesn't bother me. But at least consider what was given to us in this game first.

[SamanthaJ]

Believe what you will, the road to ruin is often paved with good intentions.

Wheel sea!!!

I think Solas has good intentions, but I have no doubt he'll do something stupid and disastrous. I just hope it at least ends with a Loghain or Anders type choice with a Morrigan type choice for those of us that romanced him.

[Kulyok]

We do have a great Solas thread in the Story and Characters forum just for you.

 

 

I don't think he dumps her, though. He loves her, and remembers her, and he'll always be thinking of her. But they can't be together with the way things are, and he can't just disappear into the blue without saying goodbye, somehow. So... this is one such goodbye, and it's both beautiful, intimate and reassuring. It's better to love and remember and hope, isn't it?

[OHB MajorV]

No, common sense and lore. The Dalish lore is already known to be piecemeal as most of it was lost after the Fall of Arlathan, which we've learned from Abelas at the Temple of Mythal was caused by civil war and not the intervention of Tevinter. We also learned that vallaslin are slave markings and by Abelas' own words he does not consider the current Dalish or City elves to be 'his people', which either suggests a deep divide or that they've change so drastically over the years that they aren't even recognizeable. Ever play telephone as a child? Remember how hard it was to get a message down the line depending upon how many people were playing, ignoring that one brat who always messed it up because they could? Now try playing that over thousands of years, two complete annihilation's of their empires, slavery, an Exalted March, being treated like second class citizens, and every bit of lore recovered being spread out between clans that are sometimes hundreds of miles apart that are all slowly developing into their own microcosms.
Also, this:
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Rebel_God
By all means, hate him. Doesn't bother me. But at least consider what was given to us in this game first.

That's a ton of conjecture in that wiki. I'm not saying he is completely evil seeking destruction and death. Let's not act like he has a track record of being an excellent decision maker with noble purpose either though.

[Nyaore]

That's a ton of conjecture in that wiki. I'm not saying he is completely evil seeking destruction and death. Let's not act like he has a track record of being an excellent decision maker with noble purpose either though.

If I remember correctly that codex entry can be found in the manor out in the Emerald Graves. Also never said he was.

[Jarcander]

 

Kind of disappointed he didn't! But I think Bioware learned their lesson about god babies from previous installments.

 

Any ways having done the Solas romance it was awesome, including the sucker-punch dumping at the end. Solas pretty much feels like the obligatory romance for fLavellans now. 

 

Okay then, I'm sold. I thought that one was going to be boring.

 

Time to roll a lady-elf.

[OHB MajorV]

If I remember correctly that codex entry can be found in the manor out in the Emerald Graves. Also never said he was.

Direct contradiction of your own logic. You can't say that all of what we know about the ancient elves was lost in translation of the generations to only cite your source of such knowledge as a codex entry. Are you seriously going to take the word of one entry vs two whole other games worth of material on the dread wolf?

[DarkSpiral]

Says who? Him? Flemeth? Because both have been so forthcoming with the truth.

You will see soon enough because with BW revealing who he is to us it's not like they can do a DLC or DA4 and have us pretend to be clueless.

But I guess then the conversation will be, well flemeth possesed him.

I would just like to toss this out there: neither of those parties have ever lied to you.

 

I suppose I could be wrong.  I absolutely distrust Flemeth, and I was sure Solas was holding something back my entire first playthrough, but when did either of them actually tell you a falsehood?

[OHB MajorV]

I would just like to toss this out there: neither of those parties have ever lied to you.

I suppose I could be wrong. I absolutely distrust Flemeth, and I was sure Solas was holding something back my entire first playthrough, but when did either of them actually tell you a falsehood?

I never said they did, what I said was they were withholding the truth. Big difference.

[DarkSpiral]

Direct contradiction of your own logic. You can't say that all of what we know about the ancient elves was lost in translation of the generations to only cite your source of such knowledge as a codex entry. Are you seriously going to take the word of one entry vs two whole other games worth of material on the dread wolf?

The question is not the the amount of material, but the reliability of the source.  And, to be clear, I don't mean something as simplistic as "its in the Codex" because its all from the Codex.

 

The source of all the information we had on fen'Harel, prior to DAI, was oral traditions that were thousands of years old.  As pointed out earlier, passing of information by word of mouth becomes unreliable by the time it moves from one end of the room to another.  Millenia old legends are the most extreme form of unreliable, though there is always a kernel of the truth, of course.

 

The new information we have on the Creator gods, on the other hand, is written records found in the Temple of Mythal.  These are far more reliable, just by virtue of not being tales told to youngsters time and again, over many centuries.

 

The fact it all ends up in the game's Codes is irrelevant.

[DarkSpiral]

I never said they did, what I said was they were withholding the truth. Big difference.

 

Perhaps, but that doesn't diminish the fact that (from what i an remember off the top of my head) what they have told you has always been true.  If nothing a source ever tells you can be proven to be a falsehood, then its actually a fairly trustworthy source.

[Almostfaceman]

I am unsure if this is the correct place to complain about this particular subject but as I cannot find an alternative this will have to do.

I am completely crushed at the romance option of Solas. What was Bioware thinking when they decided to have this character break off all romantic ties to the Inquisitor? As a person who has had their heart broken, this is just cruel. People play these games to get away from the real world. What is wrong with wanting a happy ending for a character that you put SO MUCH time into? To say Im upset is an understatement. I am sure there are a lot of people who will disagree with me but please, tell me I am not alone in thinking that this was just uncalled for. In Dragon Age 2, another favorite character of mine decides to call off the relationship, but luckily, the writers cut us fans a break and wrote a happy ending. And lets face it, Dragon Age 2 fell a little short and the only reason I play it over and over again is for the STORY. I cant speak for other players but as for me, I become emotionally attached to my game characters. And I'm the one that actually feels dumped. Strange, I know and possibly a little obsessive but there you go. Unhappy endings suck, Bioware. Dont do that to your loyal fan base. It's not right. 

 

Entitled to your opinion, but your opinion takes little into consideration of Bioware's opinion. So, not sure why you'd expect them to take yours into consideration since you don't take theirs.

 

I'm not going to romance the guy, but he was easily one of the more intriguing characters (and I loved them all) and I really enjoyed what they do with him at the end. It also makes repeat playthroughs more interesting as you look for little "tipping the hat" moments. 

[Northborn]

I so very much adore what they are doing with Solas that I can forgive any of this. It might be a heartbreak, but you could tell the emotion is real. It just cannot be...