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[Ennai and 54 others]

I don't like this whole faith theme.It's like having hope as a theme(or the power of love).It's a misguided attempt at being profound.Granted I do not believe hope is a good thing(especially when it comes from a lie),neither is faith.

 

Faith is not a virtue.

 

I also dislike the fact that almost everyone I talk to wants me to lie to my followers, even Hawke.Even the spirit that saved me.

 

Needless to say,throughout the series none of my character have believed in the maker.The whole maker business gets more  ridiculous as andrastians reach out to all kinds of things to find the makers hand.

 

"the grey warden was sent by the maker"(actually mythal/flemeth sent me)

"that glowing thing in the fade must have been andraste"(no it was a spirit/demon,one of the things you dislike)

"The breach was sent by the maker to test us"(seriously?)

"Lyrium is the maker"(now you are reaching)

"You were sent by the maker,even though you are a dalish mage"(get out)

[azarhal]

I agree, and it fits with what we've seen.

As for the Maker...

Red lyrium is blighted lyrium. The Blight only affects living things.
Lyrium is alive.
Lyrium is present, physically, in both the material world and in the Fade.
Both types of lyrium "sing".
Lyrium is present throughout the world, and is an important part of magic, both casting and crafting.
Andraste was not a mage, but both the Chantry and the Tevinters have records of the very land itself turning against those that stood against her. Earthquakes. Droughts. Fire falling from the heavens. 
Only she heard the Maker's voice, and no-one (perhaps other than Sandal) has heard it since.
So I submit this hypothesis: Andraste's Maker is present, and hiding in plain sight.
Lyrium is pure, undiluted, raw magic, the power of the Fade and the material world both.
Lyrium is "The Maker".

However, I'm also of the opinion that it's not sentient, at least in any way we could understand. I think Andraste was much like Joan of Arc, ie completely off her rocker, but linked to something beyond her (or anyone else's) comprehension. "The Maker" was the only way her poor mortal mind could comprehend it.

 

Considering that Cassandra has the power to make lyrium "burn" (in people's blood, but I don't see why it would be limited to that conditional), it being the Maker seems rather implausible. Unless she really can ask favors to the Maker.

 

Also, Cole mention that the reason Templars (and dwarves too even if he doesn't mention them) have magic resistance is because lyrium is trying to get out and there is no place for magic to come in. Oh and Cole sometimes seems to refer to spellcasting and weaving magic as singing or doing a song.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think that the Maker is probably like the Old Gods and the elven gods - a powerful entity that exists, but not omnipotent and not the creator of the world.

 

My first Inquisitor was an atheist that told anyone who would listen that she wasn't the Herald of anything. This had about as much impact as you might expect.

[Reznore57]

Mythal isn't vengeance. Her male counterpart, Elgar'nan, is.

 

I know .But when you go the temple , you're being told or you can read Mythal (can't remember) wasn't the hippie "I bake cookies" mother , she had a darker side.

And you can see it in Flemeth , she wants vengeance .

 

I thinl Elgar' nan is a more passionate vengeance , he never sought justice , his anger came from passion alone.

Mythal is more vengeance when justice was denied , or a really bad action is done.Justice gone wrong.

[l7986]

I believe, or my characters believe the Dragon Age Maker is real, but they also believe he is kicking it on a beach with a scantily clad Andraste and couldn't give two fucks about what's going on in Thedas.

[TheLittleBird]

On another note, I find it funny that both Flemeth in DAO references the traditional Maker story when explaining blights, and Solas gets a little chummy pointing out the Herald title. And seems to approve of you utilizing it, if only as a means of influence. What the hell is their game anyways? And what do they really know? 

 

Maybe they support the Andrastian belief for it allows humanity to rule itself without any divine ruler like the Old Gods have been? Could explain why Solas seems to hate the Dalish because of them clinging to the old ways and gods, and letting those legends dictate their lives.

[Heimdall]

That would mean the maker can be corrupted by the blight? Seems odd for an all powerfull being. Maybe he is just pissed though afer millenia of the races of thedas nibbling away at him.

I don't necessarily think everything the Chantry says about the Maker is true. He's very powerful, but not necessarily omnipotent or invulnerable.

In this theory, I tend to think of the Maker as being a bit like Lorkhan in the Elder Scrolls, who died to create the physical world (Though I think the Maker is just mostly inert rather than dead).

As for the Blight, I actually think the taint is the festering twisted essence of Elgar'nan (God of vengeance, remember) lashing out in as a diffuse hatred for all things after a thousand years of imprisonment in the Golden City. The Old Gods, formerly his enemies the Forgotten Ones (I think they are the same type of being but not the same beings, I just think one side favored the humans while one favored the elves), are the tools of his wrath. So it's nothing to sneeze at.

[Haidaes]

My first Inquisitor was an atheist that told anyone who would listen that she wasn't the Herald of anything. This had about as much impact as you might expect.

I think the only influence this has is some companion dialogues where they might reference it. For the overall story there is not that is for sure..

[Heimdall]

I know .But when you go the temple , you're being told or you can read Mythal (can't remember) wasn't the hippie "I bake cookies" mother , she had a darker side.
And you can see it in Flemeth , she wants vengeance .
 
I thinl Elgar' nan is a more passionate vengeance , he never sought justice , his anger came from passion alone.
Mythal is more vengeance when justice was denied , or a really bad action is done.Justice gone wrong.

Actually there's a conversation in DAII were Merrill says the Dalish recognize Mythal's role as the Great Protector having a more vicious side. She stresses that it's very important never to make her angry. I can find it if you like.

[TheLittleBird]

A very interesting thought...

 

And maybe he hates the Qun for being too restrictive in that regard. Hmm.... it's all a 'maybe', of course. 

[Heimdall]

Considering that Cassandra has the power to make lyrium "burn" (in people's blood, but I don't see why it would be limited to that conditional), it being the Maker seems rather implausible. Unless she really can ask favors to the Maker.

Well, that power comes from a spirit of faith, summoned by her faith in the Maker. So in a roundabout way...

Really though, if lyrium really is the Maker in some form he's either a deep sleeper, dead, or just doesn't care about what happens to the little parts of him.

[DanAxe]

I believe David Gaider has said they will never deny or confirm the existence of the Maker.

 

Which means in the end, its gonna come down to what you (or your game avatar) believes.

 

For example, I am a Christian and i can see loads of similarities between the Maker and God himself. So i believe (as my avatars do) that the maker do exist.

For someone who doesnt believe in God in real life, they can just as well believe that the Maker in the game doesnt exist. And neither the believers nor the non-believers will be "wrong" about it.

 

To me Andraste is a clear Messiah, probably the last person to whom the Maker revealed himself physically/metaphisically, and any believer post Andraste will have to rely on faith when it comes to the Maker. Kind of like Jesus coming to Earth to save mankind, and from then on, God did not reveal himself to mankind, because Jesus became the bridge between God and mankind (Andraste is the bridge between the Maker and Thedas). And only a very few, very faithfull people will see a spark of divinity post-Andraste. Leliana being one of those few, she presents herself to the Hero of Ferelden as someone who had a dream sent from the Maker that compelled her to find the HOF and help him on his journey. By the time she meets the Hero, he's kinda still a nobody, who just came out of the battle in Ostagar, and yet she already knew he would be someone special with an important mission.

 

As for the Old Gods and Elven Gods, I kinda see them like Angels. The Old Gods were cast out and turned into Archdemons (like the angels turning into demons when they left Heaven with Lucifer). The Elven Gods tho its what been puzzling me the most, I still cant understand if they are powerful and god-ly because they were always so, or if they were just normal ancient elves who achieved such power and status. Either way, I think all of them have some connection to the Maker (in my second playthrough that i just started, im gonna be paying attention to all interactions with Solas to see if he slips on what he believes about the Maker, there could be a big revelation hidden in some small banther that at first we wouldnt give a thought about)

 

So what i believe in the game, its that the Maker is real, that Andraste was his last atempt at mankind's redemption, and that Thedas now has to take care of itself. The Maker might still work through certain individuals tho, but never directly. Either Andraste, Justinia, or just a good spirit, i believe the golden spirit woman in the fade was sent to help the Inquisitor. She was certainly not sent by the elven gods - they are too busy harvesting souls apparently - she was not sent by the old gods - still archdemons or trapped - so that leaves only 1 entity with enough power to do so - the maker himself. I dont believe she was Justinia tho, if she was, why wouldnt she say so. We already know spirits can stay in the fade lingering after they die (you can see the mother of that mage girl staying in the fade waiting for her daughter to come of age so that she can approach her in the fade - this is in one of the comics), so if that was indeed Justinia waiting to guide the Inquisitor throught the fade, why wouldnt she just say so?

 

There are many things in the lore that seem to indicate that the Maker is indeed real, but there is never any tangible way of proving it, and i think thats because the writers want to give the players freedom to believe or not. And never get to the point where you dont believe it throughout all the games and reach the end and - oh dang! - i was so stupid for not believing. Or the other way around.

 

Whatever you, as a player, believe about the Maker, it is a valid belief.

[New Kid]

I certainly do not, and I made sure to tell everyone that would hear me. Some good 'star' dialogue came out of it too.

[Oslanar]

Maker is **** created by Andraste as a reason to her doings.

[Rifneno]

Not in the least. The Maker is a lie.

But if he is real, I want to beat his ass. He's Reaper levels of evil.

[Fardreamer]

I'm sure the Maker exists... I just don't think he's the way the Chantry portrays him to be.  Who or what the Maker really is will never be directly answered, if BW keeps their word.

[DRTJR]

I believe that there is The Maker , who only intervenes when absolutely neccicary, other wise his children make their own beds and must sleep in them.

[TMA LIVE]

Of course there's a Maker in Dragon Age.

 

His name is David Gaider. He creates your soul, and gives you a destiny, and creates situations where people die for no reason beyond his amusement or higher purpose.

[Dabrikishaw]

No reason for me to believe in a fictional character that's never going to show up in the games.

[wright1978]

We now have proof that Elven Gods exist. We have proof Old Gods exist, who i'm guessing are the forgotten ones. Now whether you want to call them Gods or powerful beings is a coin toss. The question really remains regarding golden/black city, what it is and who created it, whether it was defiled or never golden to begin with. I don't particularly believe in a divine creator and definitely not the andrastian maker. The story of Andraste seems utterly twisted tale created by a religious institution to control  people.