Is surprising Inquisition originally had a human only PC if the story was largely the same at that time (spoilers)
#1
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:35
Anyone agree or is it just me who feels that way?
- jellobell, Pancreatic Beta Cell, earymir et 14 autres aiment ceci
#2
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:37
I played as a female dalish mage and it certainly felt, at least to me, that the story of the game would've been better playing an elf than any other race.
If not now, certainly at some point later, as this elf-related stuff is going to be very important.
#3
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:40
Think the inquisition plays more naturally as a human given the very strong chantry/andraste links. I am now playing as an elf because there is certainly some very powerful elven story elements to it too. i can certainly see why they chose dalish rather than city elf as the elven origin.
- GloriousDame, Hippiethecat124, Aesir26 et 1 autre aiment ceci
#4
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:43
Yeah, the game feels very elven centric. Which I enjoyed very much after watching the fandom bitching about the Herald of Andraste and how it's going to be "human main game again" for years
- AWTEW aime ceci
#5
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:43
My first Inquisitor was still Qunari though. The amount of people who remarked on how tall I was was astounding, and beautiful.
#6
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:48
My first Inquisitor was still Qunari though. The amount of people who remarked on how tall I was was astounding, and beautiful.
I love the size difference's between Qunari and everyone else. Was nice to see them not getting shrunken down like the Krogan.
- Icinix aime ceci
#7
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 04:53
I felt the same. If I hadn't known otherwise, I would've felt that the game was meant for an elf PC, especially a female one. I can't imagine it having the same impact. It's even wilder to think that Solas wasn't even going to be a romance to begin with.
#8
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:03
I felt the same. If I hadn't known otherwise, I would've felt that the game was meant for an elf PC, especially a female one. I can't imagine it having the same impact. It's even wilder to think that Solas wasn't even going to be a romance to begin with.
Think that might be because the end bit (starting once Morrigan shows up, at least it did for me) was really interesting compared to the rest of the plot. I mean, before that bit, I was just going through the motion really, but that whole thing got me really interested and at the end, I was like: "ok, so the real game begins now? Cool! Wait, crap..."
Other than that, game feels really natural for a human noble. Fits in all situations and "feels" plausible as an Inquisitor. Other races make no sense, human based Inquisition would NEVER have a non human as leader, that's just crazy talk. At best they'd keep him around to close rift or sacrifice to get rid of the threat, at worst they'd keep him in chain, fed with drugs to use at will when needed. I tried to do a dwarf run, it makes no sense whatsoever. Elf run? NEVER gonna happen. Qunari? What have they been smoking!
So yea, remove the whole awesome Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas bit, and Human feels right. Add that bit however and yea, damn, I really wished my big bearded human warrior noble male was a frail dalish women mage with solas romance right there...
- Out to Lunch, LiquidLyrium et FurryFury aiment ceci
#9
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:21
I think it was probably unintentional, but Inquisition ended up feeling like a female Dalish mage had the most concrete ties to the story, especially if they romanced Solas. For me, it's also the most interesting version of the story (not saying other protagonists aren't viable, just that this one's my favourite). While being an Andrastian human may fit better with the "herald of Andraste" title at first, I really enjoyed RPing my Dalish as negotiating her own faith while trying to understand the perspectives of those around her. If you also believe in the Maker, then being pronounced the Herald becomes a little too clear-cut.
The revelations at the temple of mythal, and then Solas's explanation of what the vallaslin really were, came at the perfect point in the story. It rocked my Inquisitor's beliefs to their very core. By the end, all she's sure of is that she doesn't have any of the answers, but she'll continue to try and change the world regardless.
I really hope that Bioware lets our inquisitors find out Solas's true identity in a future DLC or something, because that would be the perfect way to conclude my character's arc. Just one mind-blowing revelation after another. Especially for a Dalish mage, who is technically supposed to protect her clan from the Dread Wolf, not fall in love with him.
- Heimdall, llandwynwyn, LiquidLyrium et 4 autres aiment ceci
#10
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:29
Think that might be because the end bit (starting once Morrigan shows up, at least it did for me) was really interesting compared to the rest of the plot. I mean, before that bit, I was just going through the motion really, but that whole thing got me really interested and at the end, I was like: "ok, so the real game begins now? Cool! Wait, crap..."
Other than that, game feels really natural for a human noble. Fits in all situations and "feels" plausible as an Inquisitor. Other races make no sense, human based Inquisition would NEVER have a non human as leader, that's just crazy talk. At best they'd keep him around to close rift or sacrifice to get rid of the threat, at worst they'd keep him in chain, fed with drugs to use at will when needed. I tried to do a dwarf run, it makes no sense whatsoever. Elf run? NEVER gonna happen. Qunari? What have they been smoking!
So yea, remove the whole awesome Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas bit, and Human feels right. Add that bit however and yea, damn, I really wished my big bearded human warrior noble male was a frail dalish women mage with solas romance right there...
Some of the scenes just seemed to flow in a very interesting way because my Inquisitor was Dalish and didn't believe in any of it, yet everyone was treating her like some new messiah. Considering where the story went, this was a great buildup. It's like you end up the Dalish version of Andraste.
- llandwynwyn, Patchwork, GloriousDame et 2 autres aiment ceci
#11
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:46
This game is not Elven centric. It is Elven highly involved.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a future DA game that makes it damn clear that its as Elven centric as DAI is Andrastan-human centric.
DAI just opens up Elven stuff a ton more than before, putting it at a place that humans always had for the last couple games anyway.
1. Human (still, even if less than the last two games)
2. Elf (partially very clearly, partially in a way that sneaks up on players)
3. Qunari (not highly involved, but getting more definition than the previous two games combined imo, even if not emphasis like the Act 2 of DA2)
4. Dwarf (really took back seat, but I expect DLC or the next game to really bring them back in a big way; they kinda take the place that Elves had, in DAI imo)
#12
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:49
Yeah this surprised me as well, the elves, elven lore, elven artefacts and elven location seem to permeate the game. The Dalish Inquisitor honeslty makes far more sense to me as a candidate if Bioware were going to have a "canon" or "default" Inky, way more than the Dalish being that for the default Warden in the Keep.
- AWTEW aime ceci
#13
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:50
I finished it this weekend with a human. My first play has motivated me to play an elf for my second play.
#14
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:51
I think it was probably unintentional, but Inquisition ended up feeling like a female Dalish mage had the most concrete ties to the story, especially if they romanced Solas. For me, it's also the most interesting version of the story (not saying other protagonists aren't viable, just that this one's my favourite). While being an Andrastian human may fit better with the "herald of Andraste" title at first, I really enjoyed RPing my Dalish as negotiating her own faith while trying to understand the perspectives of those around her. If you also believe in the Maker, then being pronounced the Herald becomes a little too clear-cut.
The revelations at the temple of mythal, and then Solas's explanation of what the vallaslin really were, came at the perfect point in the story. It rocked my Inquisitor's beliefs to their very core. By the end, all she's sure of is that she doesn't have any of the answers, but she'll continue to try and change the world regardless.
I really hope that Bioware lets our inquisitors find out Solas's true identity in a future DLC or something, because that would be the perfect way to conclude my character's arc. Just one mind-blowing revelation after another. Especially for a Dalish mage, who is technically supposed to protect her clan from the Dread Wolf, not fall in love with him.
Female Elf (mage? rogue?) romancing Solas might be one of the most, if not the most interesting combination, but the Herald stuff still centers the plot to humanity.
But yeah, I certainly plan on a Female Elf playthrough. They made one of the least-attended-to character-combinations of DAO, one of the most intriguing.
I would like a DA4 or DA5 that outright focuses our identity on something more elven, just as DAO-DA2-DAI did that on humanity. Like make us someone with powers or a role akin to an elven 'god'
(that's something that the Herald sort of has, but its more of an off-shoot ability in their hand)
#15
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:54
This game is not Elven centric. It is Elven highly involved.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a future DA game that makes it damn clear that its as Elven centric as DAI is Andrastan-human centric.
DAI just opens up Elven stuff a ton more than before, putting it at a place that humans always had for the last couple games anyway.
1. Human (still, even if less than the last two games)
2. Elf (partially very clearly, partially in a way that sneaks up on players)
3. Qunari (not highly involved, but getting more definition than the previous two games combined imo, even if not emphasis like the Act 2 of DA2)
4. Dwarf (really took back seat, but I expect DLC or the next game to really bring them back in a big way; they kinda take the place that Elves had, in DAI imo)
I wont be surprised if the Primeval thaig makes a re-appearance in a DLC. It'll probably turn out to have elven ties but there's a lot of dwarven lore in the Deep Roads.
#16
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 05:58
elven location
That reminds me, Skyhold itself seems to be heavily tied to the elves as well, at least according to Solas and the codex entries. No wonder the elven god was the one who found it for us.
#17
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:00
The funny thing is, the Solas romance was only added on when they got that extra year of development time. I actually have a hard time justifying not playing a female elf if I want a romance with the most story relevance.
- SwobyJ et AWTEW aiment ceci
#18
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:09
That reminds me, Skyhold itself seems to be heavily tied to the elves as well, at least according to Solas and the codex entries. No wonder the elven god was the one who found it for us.
Yeah, you can find an old elven arrow lodged in the roof above the garden as well. The place is also covered with owl statues that were there before the Inquisition started renovating. According to some of the codexes, owls are associated with both Falon'Din and Andruil.
Solas likely knew the place when it was occupied by the original owners.
#19
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:23
I wont be surprised if the Primeval thaig makes a re-appearance in a DLC. It'll probably turn out to have elven ties but there's a lot of dwarven lore in the Deep Roads.
Yep!
I'd love if a DA4 added the Dwarves to what was Human+Elf in DAI. Then DA5 brings on those Qunari, big time. ![]()
I have a feeling that it'll all come down to a 'we were all One' message (all races), eventually. All from the times long...long...long ago. It would certainly fit the racial knowledge we have IRL.
#20
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:26
No. it doesnt start getting elf heavy until the 3rd act really , the extra stuff with the Dalish elf only got added in the extra year of development . The PC being Human made much more sense given where the game started ( the conclave , the whole "your keeper sent you to spy makes no sense " since when do dalish do that?).
This is the same as claiming that Mass effect was meant to be played as a prothean PC just because most of its lore has to do with that race.
- N7KnightSabre, Mr.House, Master Race et 2 autres aiment ceci
#21
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:33
I think my canon Inquisitor has definitely got to be an elf, and I'm glad my first playthrough was an elf. It so very interesting playing as a Dalish who has a crisis of faith through the story, beginning staunchly elven, and then thinking "maybe this whole Andraste stuff is true?" and then returning to his staunchly Elven beliefs by the end of the story.
I'm beginning to think the whole story is simply about Elven gods playing a huge cosmic game with each other.
#22
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:36
No. it doesnt start getting elf heavy until the 3rd act really , the extra stuff with the Dalish elf only got added in the extra year of development . The PC being Human made much more sense given where the game started ( the conclave , the whole "your keeper sent you to spy makes no sense " since when do dalish do that?).
This is the same as claiming that Mass effect was meant to be played as a prothean PC just because most of its lore has to do with that race.
Well to me its like saying that Mass Effect is meant to be played (in ME3) as a Genophage FULL (Wrex + Eve + Mordin) Curer + Rannoch Peace (especially since I think that was debated on by the devs) + Synthesis. I mean yeah, it is there, but you'll certainly find that most of the core content does not encourage such a path, but only facilitates it, and then with more extra and optional content and choices that continue to support it - but I still wouldn't call it 'central'.
Heck, a player could easily just see Destroy and Control in front of Shepard, with no Synthesis available, and just shrug at the existence of the beam there. "Oh I guess that's where the Control or Destroy signal comes out of." Doesn't mean the path is invalid - just that it doesn't has as much support. That's how I see the Dalish Elf (Female?) storyline. Its there, its important, its cool, but not necessary to the foundations of the overall game.
#23
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:38
Some of the scenes just seemed to flow in a very interesting way because my Inquisitor was Dalish and didn't believe in any of it, yet everyone was treating her like some new messiah. Considering where the story went, this was a great buildup. It's like you end up the Dalish version of Andraste.
Playing female elf and romancing Solas was fantastic. Especially, as another player said, you're the Dread Wolf's chosen one, like the Maker chose Andraste (except of course Solas breaks your inquisitor's heart).
- Tamyn, ArtemisMoons et dragondreamer aiment ceci
#24
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:38
No. it doesnt start getting elf heavy until the 3rd act really , the extra stuff with the Dalish elf only got added in the extra year of development . The PC being Human made much more sense given where the game started ( the conclave , the whole "your keeper sent you to spy makes no sense " since when do dalish do that?).
To be fair, Solas does remark that the dalish Inquisitor's clan was unusual in caring enough about human affairs to send anyone.
#25
Posté 07 décembre 2014 - 06:39
I think my canon Inquisitor has definitely got to be an elf, and I'm glad my first playthrough was an elf. It so very interesting playing as a Dalish who has a crisis of faith through the story, beginning staunchly elven, and then thinking "maybe this whole Andraste stuff is true?" and then returning to his staunchly Elven beliefs by the end of the story.
I'm beginning to think the whole story is simply about Elven gods playing a huge cosmic game with each other.
Well it could also be that the elven gods don't even consider themselves really 'elven', only that the elves are 'their people' (key point being 'their'). That all mythologies have it right, to an extent, but still are not the whole picture. Andrastan and Tevinter and Dwarven and heck, Qun stuff could fill in all those other blanks if we piece the mythologies together into something that may be more factual (or at least believably theoretical).





Retour en haut







