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[Saberchic]

I hope for some DLC that would let us wear something else. I did not like the uniform at all.

[BansheeOwnage]

It would've been nice to see a feminine version of the uniform. 

 

And I didn't mind having to dance with another woman.  I did mind having to be the "guy" in the dance.  Why do I have to be the one to lead?  I mean, I can understand it can represent "the Inquisitor controlling the situation" type thing, but I'm already having to wear a guy's uniform, do I really have to also play the gentleman's part of the dance too?   

What would make the outfit more "feminine"? A skirt? being revealing? No thanks. Clothes having a gender associated with them is silly. As for leading the dance, it's also a social construct for a man to lead a dance, and I would assume that custom differs not only in our world, but also in Thedas.

[N7KnightSabre]

What would make the outfit more "feminine"? A skirt? being revealing? No thanks. Clothes having a gender associated with them is silly. As for leading the dance, it's also a social construct for a man to lead a dance, and I would assume that custom differs not only in our world, but also in Thedas.

 

Ugh, no.  I definitely don't want to be seeing my characters bewbs.  I never said anything about a skirt (as I hate them) or being revealing, those are words your putting to the adjective feminine.  And since when is it a crime to prefer something made for a female form?  There are differences to the male and female figures and that's what some clothes show.  It's not a bad thing at all to actually want to wear such stuff.  

 

And you're right about it being a social construct of society to have a man lead a dance.  Are you offended by the fact that I personally don't mind a man leading a dance?  I wouldn't have minded that part anyway if I wasn't already wearing the uniform.  And if it differed in Thedas, why ;then were all the other characters leading the dance on the floor male?

[BansheeOwnage]

Ugh, no.  I definitely don't want to be seeing my characters bewbs.  I never said anything about a skirt (as I hate them) or being revealing, those are words your putting to the adjective feminine.  And since when is it a crime to prefer something made for a female form?  There are differences to the male and female figures and that's what some clothes show.  It's not a bad thing at all to actually want to wear such stuff.  

 

And you're right about it being a social construct of society to have a man lead a dance.  Are you offended by the fact that I personally don't mind a man leading a dance?  I wouldn't have minded that part anyway if I wasn't already wearing the uniform.  And if it differed in Thedas, why ;then were all the other characters leading the dance on the floor male?

Believe it or not I wasn't trying to be snappy, but genuinely wondering what you thought being "feminine" would mean. I was not trying to suppose those examples were your ideas. It was just a question. I know I come off badly sometimes, so I apologize It can be hard to convey emotions with text. As for the form-fitting thing, the formal attire is pretty form-fitting for males and females. If you want something more form fitting, try destroying it mid-party, and use the most form-fitting attire ever created, the Skyhold outfit. It's basically a second skin

 

I'm not offended that you don't mind a man leading a dance, nor offended by men leading dances - or women. To be honest, I wasn't paying enough attention to the dance to notice who was leading. I know nothing about dancing. And none of us really know how dancing in general works in Thedas.

[Vita Brevis]

Clothes having a gender associated with them is silly

Wtf did I just read.

[N7KnightSabre]

Believe it or not I wasn't trying to be snappy, but genuinely wondering what you thought being "feminine" would mean. I was not trying to suppose those examples were your ideas. It was just a question. I know I come off badly sometimes, so I apologize It can be hard to convey emotions with text. As for the form-fitting thing, the formal attire is pretty form-fitting for males and females. If you want something more form fitting, try destroying it mid-party, and use the most form-fitting attire ever created, the Skyhold outfit. It's basically a second skin

 

I'm not offended that you don't mind a man leading a dance, nor offended by men leading dances - or women. To be honest, I wasn't paying enough attention to the dance to notice who was leading. I know nothing about dancing. And none of us really know how dancing in general works in Thedas.

 

I see.  Sorry, I did mistake your previous comment's tone.   I apologize for that.  I also don't mean form fitting either for a female attire choice.  I'll try to find some examples of what I have in mind.  

 

And I might add that I have no qualms about things believed to be for a certain gender being worn by the opposite gender because they are just things.  For instance, if a man wore nail polish and/or mascara, I wouldn't think he's wearing "feminine" things.  They're made masculine, then.  (Does that sound right? ).  Anyway, he's just wearing nail polish and mascara.  Same in reverse of a woman wearing a "guy" thing.  I do this sometimes, myself.  (t-shirts, jackets)  It doesn't make that guy less of a guy and it doesn't make the woman less of a woman.

 

There are still things that are designed specifically to accentuate male and female forms, however.  Artists use these forms all the time as the building blocks of design and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  (Not to mention that nature does this as well.  Males and females of a species have their own looks.  It shows what they are and attracts each other).  Humans aren't born with clothes on, so people make their own and it is generally used as visual ques to each other.  

 

My problem with the ballroom attire is that it looks designed for the male form first and then just put on the female characters without altering a thing.  Cullen and the other male characters look smashing in it, but I think it leaves much to be desired for the female characters.  I'm tired of this in games where the woman has to wear the man's outfit simply because the game designers didn't take the time to make one or deemed it unnecessary ( not saying this is Bioware, they've done a lot for women with their games,  Just this one thing and it's a bit nitpicky).

[sch1986]

You and your companions aren't supposed to look llike anyone else. That's the whole point. You are the inquisition.

Not that we should "match" other people. That the time periods of the inquisition's style didn't align with the time period it seemed like the inspiration was pulled for the outfits others were wearing.

The dresses and male outfits of EVERYONE else seemed very 1700s while inquisition looked very 1800s.

[hobbit of the shire]

I would have gone to the ball either dressed as the Orlesians do (as a sign of respect... they take clothing and etiquette highly) or dressed in my own traditional garb.  Seeing that I am currently playing a qunari female, I'm not sure exactly what that would be (she obviously doesn't follow the Qun, and do Tal-Vashoth have a dress code?).  Seeing that she is now Inquisitor in Ferelden, another option would be to wear what Ferelden nobles do.  I suppose military garb could do, but those uniforms aren't Ferelden, aren't qunari, aren't anything in Thedas imo.  I would have loved to wear a poofy dress on my qunari, and having her quip about stupid Orlesian clothing and how she hates dresses.....  In terms of having to fight, the Inquisitor would have been prepared.  The hoop skirt could be detatchable.  Or, a mini scene happens when you notice enemies and a transition occurs which implies the Inquisitor had to jump into her armor quickly.  The same could be done for the male inquisitor..... perhaps he has to detach those ridiculous ruffles or something.....

 

I would have liked to see Leliana in an Orlesian gown, Cullen in Ferelden military formals, Cassandra in a Nevarran gown, Varric in finery, Vivienne with a headpiece that tops everyone.....   They could perhaps have clothing made in the same color or have a sash which indicates they are part of the Inquisition.

 

Or, even having the choice of customizing an "appropriate" armor base by popping up the Modify Armor page on area transition would have been nice.  I coulda chose a mage robe which was all plaidweave or something just to poke fun at the Orlesians..... actually, it would've probably set a new fashion trend in Orlais.

[BansheeOwnage]

I see.  Sorry, I did mistake your previous comment's tone.   I apologize for that.  I also don't mean form fitting either for a female attire choice.  I'll try to find some examples of what I have in mind.  

 

And I might add that I have no qualms about things believed to be for a certain gender being worn by the opposite gender because they are just things.  For instance, if a man wore nail polish and/or mascara, I wouldn't think he's wearing "feminine" things.  They're made masculine, then.  (Does that sound right? ).  Anyway, he's just wearing nail polish and mascara.  Same in reverse of a woman wearing a "guy" thing.  I do this sometimes, myself.  (t-shirts, jackets)  It doesn't make that guy less of a guy and it doesn't make the woman less of a woman.

 

There are still things that are designed specifically to accentuate male and female forms, however.  Artists use these forms all the time as the building blocks of design and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  (Not to mention that nature does this as well.  Males and females of a species have their own looks.  It shows what they are and attracts each other).  Humans aren't born with clothes on, so people make their own and it is generally used as visual ques to each other.  

 

My problem with the ballroom attire is that it looks designed for the male form first and then just put on the female characters without altering a thing.  Cullen and the other male characters look smashing in it, but I think it leaves much to be desired for the female characters.  I'm tired of this in games where the woman has to wear the man's outfit simply because the game designers didn't take the time to make one or deemed it unnecessary ( not saying this is Bioware, they've done a lot for women with their games,  Just this one thing and it's a bit nitpicky).

It's alright About the bolded: Yeah, I think I get that. I remember someone talking about Jennifer Hale sounding "too masculine", and someone basically said that since it's a woman talking, how is her voice masculine? Of course it's feminine. Do you mean like that? And I definitely agree about the rest, in fact I think men can look cool in makeup, particularly eyeliner, especially if they're warriors.

 

I... think I get what you're saying. I get that sexual dimorphism is a thing for humans. Are you saying that you don't necessarily want an outfit that is stereotypically female, but that accentuates the standard differences between sexes? And are you saying it just looks like they took the male model and "stretched" it onto a female body? Because if so, I see your point and I also notice this being done a lot in games.

[N7KnightSabre]

It's alright About the bolded: Yeah, I think I get that. I remember someone talking about Jennifer Hale sounding "too masculine", and someone basically said that since it's a woman talking, how is her voice masculine? Of course it's feminine. Do you mean like that? And I definitely agree about the rest, in fact I think men can look cool in makeup, particularly eyeliner, especially if they're warriors.
 
I... think I get what you're saying. I get that sexual dimorphism is a thing for humans. Are you saying that you don't necessarily want an outfit that is stereotypically female, but that accentuates the standard differences between sexes? And are you saying it just looks like they took the male model and "stretched" it onto a female body? Because if so, I see your point and I also notice this being done a lot in games.

 
I actually think Hale does sound masculine, as that is what she's aiming for.  Krem's a guy.  It'd be insulting if she sounded feminine.  Though, that certainly doesn't diminish Hale as a woman herself, just proves that she's a talented voice actress.
 
With the outfit I've thought of (I seriously should just draw the dang thing and post it  ), your description is close enough.  Though, I do think that form fitting clothes can be beautiful on women and men (Dorian rocks that look), as well as "revealing" as long as it's done in a tasteful way.  
 
Yes, I do think the outfit was taken from the male model and put on the female one for the Orlesian ball.  I'd just like something designed specifically for the female characters of the Inquisition here, that's all.   
 
Edited because I just realized you meant Femshep not Krem.    I don't think she sounds masculine at all.  I loved her performance as Shepard: Kickass and feminine 

[Broganisity]

...Can you imagine if we had a Mabari Companion and took them to the Ball? And they were wearing a dog version of the outfit?

[Ahalvern]

I liked the uniform well enough, but I would have preferred to wear a Dalish themed dress to the ball.

 

"Oh so you disapprove of me being an elf? EAT THIS!"

[Qunquistador]

I was grateful they didn't stick my female quiz in a ball gown, but that uniform was pretty hokey and ill fitting (especially on Qunari). I would prefer my quiz look intimidating in a uniform, imposing and powerful. More like Tywin Lannister

Instead they had us looking like Prince William. 

[Joe25]

The problem with a gown is that you have to fight a lot during parts of the quest. I wouldn't mind something a tad more formal or feminine but a full gown seems a bit unrealistic.

I liked the uniforms even if it look like they stole Prince William's suit on his wedding day. 

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If they did use a gown it would have had to be a Steampunk or modern Gothic dress to fit the rang of movement for the character.

[Uccio]

Don't understand the hatred of the formal uniform. I thought it was perfectly appropriate for the circumstances and looked very good on my inquisitor and the whole party. 

 

I want to play medieval time fantasy game, not a 19th century.

[jellobell]

I suppose military garb could do, but those uniforms aren't Ferelden, aren't qunari, aren't anything in Thedas imo.

I think that was exactly the point. You're representing the Inquisition, nothing more, nothing less. The Inquisition is a brand-new faction that is not beholden to any one country. Thus, the clothing at the ball had to be symbolically neutral. After all, when playing the Game, everything has meaning, especially the clothes one wears. If the Inquisition wore Orlesian garb, then the Orlesians would see that as the Inquisition positioning themselves as conciliatory to the court. If they wore Fereldan or Qunari or Dalish clothes, then it would be interpreted as the Inquisition planning on pushing for the interests of those factions. Thus, they had to have an outfit that would both represent the Inquisition as an independent faction and symbolize what the Inquisition is about.

 

In contrast to all of the flamboyance of Orlesian dress, the Inquisition chose to come in no-nonsense dress uniforms, subtly indicating that while they're there to participate in the Game they are not participating in Orlesian excesses, and are there for a larger purpose. Plus, while most Orlesians wear individually-tailored gowns and suits, reflecting their own personalities and political position (just think back to Leli's analysis of shoes), every member of the Inquisition wears the exact same outfit. The message is that these are not individuals, but followers of the Inquisitor, and that they stand together for the Inquisition's goals. It's a sign of group solidarity in a place where the name of the Game is to elevate yourself by throwing everyone else under the bus.

 

Yeah, I know the meta reason was probably that Bioware didn't have the time or resources to craft individual ball outfits for everyone and variable outfits for the Inquisitor, but if you think of the ball outfit as a calculated political move then it actually makes a lot of sense.

[Korva]

I think that was exactly the point. You're representing the Inquisition, nothing more, nothing less. [...]

 

Yeah, I know the meta reason was probably that Bioware didn't have the time or resources to craft individual ball outfits for everyone and variable outfits for the Inquisitor, but if you think of the ball outfit as a calculated political move then it actually makes a lot of sense.

 

My thoughts exactly. I'd have liked something a little less garish and "modern", but the overall message sent by the outfit still makes a lot of sense. And I freely admit that I grinned and thought "badass" when I first saw my Inquisitor stride into the gardens wearing that outfit. We kind of look like a conquering general, and by the end of the night that is what we are.

 

And I might add that I have no qualms about things believed to be for a certain gender being worn by the opposite gender because they are just things.  For instance, if a man wore nail polish and/or mascara, I wouldn't think he's wearing "feminine" things.  They're made masculine, then.  (Does that sound right? ).  Anyway, he's just wearing nail polish and mascara.  Same in reverse of a woman wearing a "guy" thing.  I do this sometimes, myself.  (t-shirts, jackets)  It doesn't make that guy less of a guy and it doesn't make the woman less of a woman.

 

This I fully agree with. Everything a man does or wears is "masculine" because it's a man doing it, and the same goes for women and "feminine". Though I prefer to avoid those words altogether, there are just too many stereotypes associated with them.

 

Form-fitting isn't my thing, either, though. The Skyhold outfit makes me cringe in no small part because it just hugs everything.

[TheDragonOfWhy]

I want to play medieval time fantasy game, not a 19th century.

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Dress uniformers are "older than you thing".

Also must of really hated that whole quest then as it was very "Three Musketeers"

[Khaeix]

Ugh I wish we could have had the option of a gown, why would I want my female inquisitor to look like a man?

[Lady Luminous]

I just had a thought: you can put the same armour on each of your companions but it alters to match their style. But the uniform looks exactly the same for everyone, which is sad.

 

I don't want to be a clone of my companions!

[Vita Brevis]

I just had a thought: you can put the same armour on each of your companions but it alters to match their style. But the uniform looks exactly the same for everyone, which is sad.

 

I don't want to be a clone of my companions!

Yeah, honestly I gave up trying to understand how BW people are thinking. Cause there is no logic at all.

[Mushashi7]

This red uniform is fine for a male, but I would have prefered a dress for the female inquisitor.

You can always argue about the inquisitor representing the organisation. But no, that is not enough. If you look down through history it's common knowledge that female wore dresses. And I also think that women would prefer this in general.

Another point: How many other females do you see in a male uniform at the ball? Just asking?

But maybe Bioware thinks that all female inquisitor are purely masculine by default?

Where is my dress?

[Vita Brevis]

You can always argue about the inquisitor representing the organisation. But no, that is not enough. If you look down through history it's common knowledge that female wore dresses. And I also think that women would prefer this in general.

No, we would prefer a choice. The devs shouldn't force the dress on anyone as they shouldn't force the suit.

The only problem I personally have with the formal attire is it's colour. I don't understand why on earth we couldn't change it before the ball but we can after. Like... what the actual f, Bioware? I'm also dissapointed we can't change the leather parts colour. Again, no logic found here. 

[morie91]

when i'd learned about the same outfit for quizzies of all races and genders i felt kinda disappointed. i had to face the fact and accept it, no matter how much i disliked it on my elven quizzy during the quest (tho it suited my human male and female qunari characters)

 

still i could do nothing to change that, except for venting my disappointment through the drawings with redesigns for ball outfit.

 

the first one, was intended to be a more feminine version of the canon uniform we wear in the game. roughly based on the french army uniforms from 18th and 19th century. the rest is what i just found fitting (:

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the second one, is a gown inspired on the english and french victorian dresses in the colors of orlais (gold, beige, and blue) and everyone wanted to have a ball gown for their female characters (:

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the third costume is just my variation on “more formal” uniform for dalish elves 

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[Serza]

So, how about a compromise. Anyone here ever see the difference between the male and female variations of Dress Blues in the US Navy/Marine Corps/whatever other branch?

 

You want more feminine feeling clothes, that's about as far as it makes sense. Your sole purpose of going to the party is to stop an assassin, after all.