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[Teshayel]

Steven Erikson is Canadian. Bioware is in Canada. Just saying...

 

True, true... Which is why when 

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Bianca talked about her findings on red lyrium

 , I went like "Somebody's been reading Steven Erikson"...

[Draining Dragon]

Yeah, they retconned what Alistair said about not needing lyrium.

[RedWulfi]

my poor quizy is addicted to lyrium, now xD

[The Hierophant]

That made me chuckle

 

As far as the addiction is concerned, in Cullen's case, he complains of vivid nightmares and massive head aches. It makes sense for Ali to ascribe any symptoms he might experience to becoming a Warden (i.e. vivid nightmares), or having caught a nasty bug (i.e. head aches, shaking, fever, vomiting). 

 

Aaanyway I haven't finished the game yet, but I am hoping lyrium won't turn out to be the veins/blood of a god/the Maker. That would smack too much of the Malazzan Book of the Fallen

 

 

Steven Erikson is Canadian. Bioware is in Canada. Just saying...

OH MY GOODNESS! Do my eyes deceive me? There's fellow MBoTF readers on this forum.

[ShadowLordXII]

Got it.

 

Between the games and the comics, I felt like my head was spinning trying to piece it together. 

 

From now on, I'll just hold up a cardboard sign that says "just go with it" and be done with it. 

 

Or ignore it, like I do.

[draken-heart]

think of it like this, in order to become a Templar you need to train for years, you need to use magic inducing lyrium, and you need to take an oath and be given lyrium in a ceremony to make it official. Since non mages cannot use magic without special circumstances ie lyrium use. This means training Templars would be given small doses of lyrium so they can learn to use the powers, this of course can be done without the trainee being aware of the small doses they have ingested. Then with Alistair he did the Joining Ritual of the Grey Warden, where tainted Blood and lyrium is mixed together, essentially this is a form of Blood Magic. So Alistair Could easily had a large dose of lyrium without being aware of it. 

 

I do not know about that. For one, no one and nothing in the lore says the training templars are unknowingly given lyrium. It could be possible, but it is not that logical without more evidence. And for the second thing, training Templars being given lyrium without knowing usually means they are not training the powers, which would make it worthless except to control them.

 

Plus, I am RPing that Evelyn Trevelyan (S&S warrior) was trained by the Templars but found out about the addiction and quit the training.

[Teshayel]

OH MY GOODNESS! Do my eyes deceive me? There's fellow MBoTF readers on this forum.

 

Hehe I only know one other person IRL who has read the series. We're a pretty rare breed, despite the books being often considered one of the top fantasy series of all time. It is a pretty dense read, to be fair

[Pi2r Epsilon]

OH MY GOODNESS! Do my eyes deceive me? There's fellow MBoTF readers on this forum.

It would be bizarre were it not so, due to the overlap of interests of fantasy readers and fantasy CRPG players and the sheer number of people posting in this forum. The Malazan Book of the Fallen is a decent Fantasy series, one of the better of the longwinded ones of the last two decades, so of course there'll be people here, who've read it.

 

As for Teshayel's statement that it is often considered one of the top fantasy series of all time, that is an enthusiastic but dubious claim.

 

It is unlikely to ever become more than a cult classic unless some US television network picks it up.

[Teshayel]

As for Teshayel's statement that it is often considered one of the top fantasy series of all time, that is an enthusiastic but dubious claim.

 

It is unlikely to ever become more than a cult classic unless some US television network picks it up.

 

Hehe I actually found the books on a top 20 list of fantasy series First one on there was the Wheel of Time (which was awesome). A Song of Ice and Fire was second, I think, and this was fifth, or something. I found other lists that mentioned it among the top 10 or so. It is definitely an imaginative series, albeit convoluted

[Pi2r Epsilon]

Yes, but a list of the top 20 series made by who and how? Most such lists are of little value, regardless of which form of entertainment we are talking about, as they tend to be dominated by recent works because those are the ones that are easily available, the ones being actively discussed, and hence the ones people primarily read/watch, making the lists in practice "top X currently most popular" rather than "top X best"

 

It is much more impressive to see something in such a list several decades after it was published, because that's when you know that it has staying power.

 

 

EDIT: Anyhow, I'm afraid we are getting a bit off topic here. My apologies to the uninvolved spectators.

[dantares83]

so if u do the templar specialization, u need lyrium as well?

[Br3admax]

Yes. A Templar Inquisitor uses lyrium. 

[raging_monkey]

so if u do the templar specialization, u need lyrium as well?

yup you make your own juicebox

[Boost32]

so if u do the templar specialization, u need lyrium as well?

yes

[dantares83]

so y didn't the warden or Hawke needing it???

[Br3admax]

Hawke used lyrium, and the Warden not needing it got retconned. 

[raging_monkey]

so y didn't the warden or Hawke needing it???

wardens who knows (gameplay/story segregation). Hawke uses stolen contraband juice. Like i said complicated

[gothicshark]

I do not know about that. For one, no one and nothing in the lore says the training templars are unknowingly given lyrium. It could be possible, but it is not that logical without more evidence. And for the second thing, training Templars being given lyrium without knowing usually means they are not training the powers, which would make it worthless except to control them.
 
Plus, I am RPing that Evelyn Trevelyan (S&S warrior) was trained by the Templars but found out about the addiction and quit the training.

What I gave was a hypothetical idea, since we do know that the Templar do start training at a young age, and they are taught to use anti-magic powers before they are sworn in. It would only make sense that the Templars would have a trainee dose that was just strong enough to learn to control their anti-magic powers without making them them true Templars. It is just a simple deduction of what we have. ie occam's razor.

Alistair trained as a Templar, and learned to use anti-magic, he continued to use anti-magic during DA:O.
Alistair never got sworn in as a Templar never made his juice box, never used lyrium.
To use Templar anti-magic you need to use lyrium.
To be a Templar you need to be proficient with anti-magic martial abilities.

One thing is false. Alistair never used lyrium while training as a Templar. For his comments to make sense, he had to be unaware he took lyrium while training. Simple and direct.

[myahele]

How do templars take lyrium? I thought they drank lyrium potions, but the kit Cullen showed me looked more like a kit a heroin user uses. Do they inject it? Inhale it?

[sandalisthemaker]

Lyrium is required.

 

Cassandra is not a Templar and is a special case. She gained her powers, as all Seekers do, through intense training and an even more intense ritual.

[Boost32]

How do templars take lyrium? I thought they drank lyrium potions, but the kit Cullen showed me looked more like a kit a heroin user uses. Do they inject it? Inhale it?

they drink, both Cullen and Barris can be seem drinking it

[draken-heart]

What I gave was a hypothetical idea, since we do know that the Templar do start training at a young age, and they are taught to use anti-magic powers before they are sworn in. It would only make sense that the Templars would have a trainee dose that was just strong enough to learn to control their anti-magic powers without making them them true Templars. It is just a simple deduction of what we have. ie occam's razor.

Alistair trained as a Templar, and learned to use anti-magic, he continued to use anti-magic during DA:O.
Alistair never got sworn in as a Templar never made his juice box, never used lyrium.
To use Templar anti-magic you need to use lyrium.
To be a Templar you need to be proficient with anti-magic martial abilities.

One thing is false. Alistair never used lyrium while training as a Templar. For his comments to make sense, he had to be unaware he took lyrium while training. Simple and direct.

 

Not simple deduction. We do not know that they train in the use of Anti-magic powers. No one says they train in those powers until after they take vows. You just assume that because Alistair is a Templar in-game, which makes no sense because he never even shows signs of withdrawl.

[LOLandStuff]

Maybe that kit is just symbolic.

[gothicshark]

Not simple deduction. We do not know that they train in the use of Anti-magic powers. No one says they train in those powers until after they take vows. You just assume that because Alistair is a Templar in-game, which makes no sense because he never even shows signs of withdrawl.

Can't be an assumption since Alistair has Templar Powers and he never took the vow.

[draken-heart]

Can't be an assumption since Alistair has Templar Powers and he never took the vow.

 

I chalk that to Gameplay mechanics or to show that he had training more than canon. In fact, I do not think I put all that many points into it in the first place.