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[neverable2]

I'm curious to know whether or not he is one...

[Marshal Moriarty]

No, he's a plot device.

 

Seriously though, its hard to say. He doesn't play much of a role at all in the game. Its probably unwise to expect much movement on this, given that his existence is optional and dependant on your choice in Origins. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath for answers on this - Bioware rarely commit much resources to characters once they become optional.

[CreepingShadow]

No, he's a plot device.

 

Seriously though, its hard to say. He doesn't play much of a role at all in the game. Its probably unwise to expect much movement on this, given that his existence is optional and dependant on your choice in Origins. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath for answers on this - Bioware rarely commit much resources to characters once they become optional.

True and it's a shame really, I'd love for them to go more in depth with Kieran. The only time I can think of optional characters holding on to their role in the main cast is Tali and Garrus in ME3 and I think that had to do with the fact that literally nobody killed them.

[Marshal Moriarty]

Exactly. Bioware operate under a policy of giving content to popular characters. This is literally the only way an optional character can hope for meaningful content. Therefore Mordin, Legion, Wrex, Tali and Garrus managed to dodge their potential bullets. Having an advocate on the writing staff also helps a character (for which characters like Leliana, Liara and Zevran have profited greatly).

 

But if a character is unpopular, then its the scrap heap for them. Bioware have proven time and again that they cut unpopular content, they don't refine it. So if a character happens to be optional *and* unpopular... forget about ever seeing them again!

 

As for Kieran... he seems to be liked well enough though, from what I can see. For a kid character, he doesn't do anything annoying, and he wins some points for being a chance for Morrigan and Flemeth to have (in their own unique way) a conversation that borders on civil. Once they'd finished trying to kill each other anyway... But that still doesn't mean much, given that Kieran hardly features in the game, and the major scene with him sees him have his most unique quality altered.

 

IMO, that scene is probably supposed to be the resolution for that character. I doubt either he or Morrigan will show up again for a while, if ever. Morrigan herself is really pushing her luck with her plot armour, and some people are getting *really* sick of constantly being jerked around by her character.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I was under the impression he was. I seem to recall him doing some weird sparkly ball/smokey thing in his hands. Also he opened the Eluvian himself. The question is if he is still a mage, or if the removal of the old god took the magic away.

 

I had the idea that the dark ritual didn't just capture an old god spirit, it was something Flemeth had taught her. It was what Flemeth had done in the past to specifically have girls capable of magic so she could transfer to their bodies when the time came. Only in this case, another powerful god spirit would be at her finger tips. I thought the reason the child is a boy was because Morrigan was attempting to steer Flemeth away and make it little harder to find the child. The child would need to have magic in order to have a strong enough chance to handle the old god spirit. Then in the end all Flemeth wanted was the old god spirit and then we know how that turned out if you watched after the credits.

 

With these old god spirits combined....

[Marshal Moriarty]

The problem is one of resources, sad to say. As you progress through games, it becomes harder and harder to justify spending money accounting for decisions and characters that only a small section of people will care about.

 

I think the consensus was that most people did the ritual in DA:O if for no other reason than they didn't want their Warden or Alistair/Loghain to die. Therefore Bioware have known for a long time that they have to do something with the Old God baby. But now they have, and Kieran has lost that Old God soul, so he's just a normal kid now. But it was so moving, and there was a real papable bond of mother and son that you would need a heart of stone not to care about. That and it brought Morrigan and Flemeth (again by their standards) somewhat closer in their own way, even as it threatened to drive a further wedge between them.

 

That I think fulfulls the obligation that Bioware had to address this issue, and whilst I don't approve of many things in this game's narrative, I think this scene was exccllent. If it is indeed the last we see of Kieran, I think they can say they did justice to the story thread, however short it was.Scenes like this one and the opening scene of Josephine;s quest, meeting the House of Repose in the Comte's quarters (such a brilliantly sinister but oddly civilised scene, that perfectly encapsulated what 'Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts' *should* have been like), prove that when they put their mind to it properly, Bioware have still got it. But I just don't think that they hit those highs enough in this game.

 

But more scenes like these... now *then* we'd be talking!

[Jawzzus]

I was under the impression he was. I seem to recall him doing some weird sparkly ball/smokey thing in his hands. Also he opened the Eluvian himself. The question is if he is still a mage, or if the removal of the old god took the magic away.

 

I had the idea that the dark ritual didn't just capture an old god spirit, it was something Flemeth had taught her. It was what Flemeth had done in the past to specifically have girls capable of magic so she could transfer to their bodies when the time came. Only in this case, another powerful god spirit would be at her finger tips. I thought the reason the child is a boy was because Morrigan was attempting to steer Flemeth away and make it little harder to find the child. The child would need to have magic in order to have a strong enough chance to handle the old god spirit. Then in the end all Flemeth wanted was the old god spirit and then we know how that turned out if you watched after the credits.

 

With these old god spirits combined....

 

I thought it was hinted at that Flemeth opened the Eluvian for him

[Marshal Moriarty]

Because leaving a teleport gate unguarded in the middle of your base is such a great idea...

[EdwinLi]

Don't know but Kieran has some unqiue powers that no mage in Thedas has such as the ability to sense a person's magical powers.

 

As of now DAI appearance is more of a introduction to Kieran rather than going into details about his future role considering the event between Morrigan, Kieran, and Flemeth just changed any hypothesis majority of the people had about what will happen with the God Child path.

[dragondreamer]

Did Flemeth take the Old God soul from Kieran?  I thought that's what it looked like when she took the blue glowy thing from him, but she tells Morrigan that if they leave now, they'll never be safe from her.  Why threaten to continue coming after them if Kieran no longer has anything she needs?

[Han Master]

Did Flemeth take the Old God soul from Kieran?  I thought that's what it looked like when she took the blue glowy thing from him, but she tells Morrigan that if they leave now, they'll never be safe from her.  Why threaten to continue coming after them if Kieran no longer has anything she needs?

 

I don't think that is the old god's soul, more like a spell that will lure Kieran to Flemeth.

[EdwinLi]

Did Flemeth take the Old God soul from Kieran?  I thought that's what it looked like when she took the blue glowy thing from him, but she tells Morrigan that if they leave now, they'll never be safe from her.  Why threaten to continue coming after them if Kieran no longer has anything she needs?

 

That was a fake threat in the events if you pay attention to the ending of the event.

 

Flemeth said at the end that she never had any intension of harming Morrigan nor Kieran. Her plans are something else beyond what Morrigan thought.

 

[dragondreamer]

I don't think that is the old god's soul, more like a spell that will lure Kieran to Flemeth.

 

I wondered if it might be some sort of binding, but...

 

That was a fake threat in the events if you pay attention to the ending of the event.

 

Flemeth said at the end that she never had any intension of harming Morrigan nor Kieran. Her plans are something else beyond what Morrigan thought.

 

...It does make more sense watching it a second time.  Thanks. 

 

Hmm, also puts the ending in a different perspective for me as well... 

 

As for the original question, mages usually don't manifest magic until puberty, so there might not be an answer to that yet.  It's probably just in the realm of headcanon unless they bring him back in a future game.

[Ennai and 54 others]

He is fairly young.Unless his god soul causes him to manifest his talents earlier we can't really know.

[Patchwork]

He probably will be a mage but right now he's just a kid. 

[sylvanaerie]

That was a fake threat in the events if you pay attention to the ending of the event.

 

Flemeth said at the end that she never had any intension of harming Morrigan nor Kieran. Her plans are something else beyond what Morrigan thought.

 

 

This has to be one of the best things Bioware has written since...well the series began.  Not only resolving the issue for the Old God Baby in the future, but clearing matters between mother and daughter.  Watching Morrigan beg on bent knee for Flemeth to take her instead of her son (she drank from the well in my game), was the only scene to make me cry this game--and there were some pretty good ones.  And Flemeth's reaction when Morrigan defiantly exclaims she wouldn't be the same kind of mother she'd been, aaaah you can see how sharp that serpent's tooth bit.

 

Excellent! Both the writing from the staff and on the development team for animating the emotions this scene, and excellent acting from Ms Mulgrew and Ms Black.  You can definitely tell this was a labor of love for all involved.  

If this was all we got of Kieran's story, I say a good ending for the lad.  I  hope he has many long and happy years ahead with his mother, who has been and will continue to be a good mother to him!

[BabyFratelli]

He's got to be, right? With a blood line of magic that strong it seems impossible he wouldn't be. I've actually become pretty invested in the idea of him becoming a companion or something like it in a future game. It'd be neat to see what he's like in 10 years time and more aware of his roots and abilities. 

[Jester]

I think he was a mage and still will be, even after removal of the Old God soul. 

Does he lose it in all possible variations? I have only experienced the one with Inquisitor drinking from the Well so far. 

 

As to who opened the Eluvian to lead to the Fade - I'd say it was Flemeth. I don't think a boy, even with a unique soul would have enough knowledge and power to open the portal to physically enter the Fade. 

 

He's got to be, right? With a blood line of magic that strong it seems impossible he wouldn't be. I've actually become pretty invested in the idea of him becoming a companion or something like it in a future game. It'd be neat to see what he's like in 10 years time and more aware of his roots and abilities. 

Well, in my particular playthroughs he has a bloodline from two different lines.

In one it's Morrigan/Flemeth and Alistair (who's Fiona's son), and the other is Morrigan/Flemeth and mage Warden. 

 

No way this guy's not a mage . 

[KennethAFTopp]

I actually hope he's not a mage, preferably because in one of my playthroughs his father was not one, and Kieran following in his footsteps of Wielding Yusaris, would be sweeet.

[Farangbaa]

Slightly offtopic... but does anything change if you make Alistair or Loghain the father of Kieran?

[Beomer]

I don't see how he cannot be. I mean son of a powerful mage and grandson of a magical god being. Add on to that vessel for an ancient magical creature? If Kieran turns out to not be a mage it will be the stupidest thing since forever.

[Beomer]

Slightly offtopic... but does anything change if you make Alistair or Loghain the father of Kieran?

 

Alistair has a moment with Morrigan where she is nicer to him than she's been in the entire series, although the convo is bugged.

If Loghain is the father he too has a chat with her where you see he's still cynical and jaded as ever.

[Eyes_Only]

I bet he is a mage. magic is in Morrigan's blood and a ritual brought about his old god spirit's birth. Odds are he'll be a powerful mage when he gets older. Either that or a powerful warrior like his father.

[trevelyan_shep]

Well, in my playthrough Kieran's father was a mage, and since Morrigan is a mage, as well, it really wouldn't be surprising if the kid was a mage. 

[robertmarilyn]

In my game world state game, Alistair is his father, so with Kieran having Morrigan as his mom and Fiona as his grandmother and Flemeth as his 'maybe' grandmother (we don't know if she is Morrigan's bio mom or if she adopted/stole Morrigan), Kieran has a chance to be a mage and a very good one at that. I have a hard time seeing the writers making him anything other than a mage but I think it'd be nice if he was a warrior like his dad.