No, but seriously. I agree with previous posters - those scenes were the best in the game. The acting from Black and Mulgrew was top notch, and their facial expressions were excellent. Morrigan begging and defiance all at once, Flemeth's reaction, and Morrigan's "wait!" as she walked away... Heartbreaking. 
Depends. He can range from a potential mage to a non-entity. He's the latter in my playthrough.
I think he was a mage and still will be, even after removal of the Old God soul.
Does he lose it in all possible variations? I have only experienced the one with Inquisitor drinking from the Well so far.
As to who opened the Eluvian to lead to the Fade - I'd say it was Flemeth. I don't think a boy, even with a unique soul would have enough knowledge and power to open the portal to physically enter the Fade.
Well, in my particular playthroughs he has a bloodline from two different lines.
In one it's Morrigan/Flemeth and Alistair (who's Fiona's son), and the other is Morrigan/Flemeth and mage Warden.
No way this guy's not a mage
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Wait wait wait. Fiona is Alistair's mom?
*mind blown*
How come he doesn't look more..half-elfy like Feynriel?
Wait wait wait. Fiona is Alistair's mom?
*mind blown*
How come he doesn't look more..half-elfy like Feynriel?
Half elves look like humans. That's why Alistair doesn't know he's half elf.
Feynriel really shouldn't have an elf-y look. Don't know why they did that...he should look all human.
I don't think it matters so much who Kieran's father is. The important bit is Morrigan is his mother. As for whether he has magical capabilities, I do not know. Maybe, maybe not. We may find out eventually.
I know that my Warden will love his son regardless of whether he's a mage or not.
No, he's a plot device.
Seriously though, its hard to say. He doesn't play much of a role at all in the game. Its probably unwise to expect much movement on this, given that his existence is optional and dependant on your choice in Origins. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath for answers on this - Bioware rarely commit much resources to characters once they become optional.
Every character is a plot device. You're point?
Every character is a plot device. You're point?
I think he was being sarcastic.
But even if he was serious, this is more likely what he meant :
http://tvtropes.org/...Main/PlotDevice
Every character is a plot device. You're point?
I think he was being sarcastic.
But even if he was serious, this is more likely what he meant :
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A plot device is an object or character in the story whose purpose is purely to drive the Plot, maintain its flow, or resolve situations within it. It could be something everybody wants to obtain, a device that must be destroyed, or an annoying teenager who must be protected at all costs.
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A plot device is an object or character in the story whose purpose is purely to drive the Plot, maintain its flow, or resolve situations within it. It could be something everybody wants to obtain, a device that must be destroyed, or an annoying teenager who must be protected at all costs.
Exactly ! Though isn't Kieran around 10? Although I actually disagree about him being a 'plot device' because as the text states the sole purpose of a plot device is to drive the plot, and the plot moves just as smoothly (more so, in my opinion) without Kieran.
Wait wait wait. Fiona is Alistair's mom?
*mind blown*
How come he doesn't look more..half-elfy like Feynriel?
Because originally his mother was Goldanna's mother.
Gaider later retconned that bit from DA:O. Also bad idea was bad.
Because originally his mother was Goldanna's mother.
Gaider later retconned that bit from DA:O. Also bad idea was bad.
Call me stupid, but I still don't grasp why the Arl, etc made this grand conspiracy involving Goldanna pretending to be Alistair's sister. Couldn't they just say his mother was some woman who died giving birth to him and be done with it?
Call me stupid, but I still don't grasp why the Arl, etc made this grand conspiracy involving Goldanna pretending to be Alistair's sister. Couldn't they just say his mother was some woman who died giving birth to him and be done with it?
That's exactly what they did, well at least what I think they did.
Some woman died during child birth in Redcliffe and so did her child, (at least I hope the child died during birth and not, you know 'afterwards') they gave her daughter some coin and made up a story about that woman being Alistair's mother.
That's exactly what they did, well at least what I think they did.
Some woman died during child birth in Redcliffe and so did her child, (at least I hope the child died during birth and not, you know 'afterwards') they gave her daughter some coin and made up a story about that woman being Alistair's mother.
If Alistair becomes king I wonder what happens to Goldanna? I imagine she'll be reaping the rewards of her faux brother's royalty.
I'm betting that, if Alistair is hardened, he had Goldanna arrested for trying to get gold from him... But handed half the treasury without Goldanna even asking about it, if he wasn't hardened...
Regarding OP: I think Kieran being a mage depends on one simple thing: When the age range ends for showing magical abilities. I think there's little doubt that Kieran has magical abilities while inhabited by the soul of an Old God(likely akin to most spirits/demons being able to express their magical abilities while inhabiting non-mages). But if the Old God Soul isn't present, or removed, then it becomes iffy. Mostly because he doesn't seem to be as "off" when alive but with the DR unperformed. I wouldn't be surprised if Kieran is a mage(what with it being hereditary and all), but I certainly don't think anything we've seen thus far proves it to be true.
I'm betting that, if Alistair is hardened, he had Goldanna arrested for trying to get gold from him... But handed half the treasury without Goldanna even asking about it, if he wasn't hardened...
Regarding OP: I think Kieran being a mage depends on one simple thing: When the age range ends for showing magical abilities. I think there's little doubt that Kieran has magical abilities while inhabited by the soul of an Old God(likely akin to most spirits/demons being able to express their magical abilities while inhabiting non-mages). But if the Old God Soul isn't present, or removed, then it becomes iffy. Mostly because he doesn't seem to be as "off" when alive but with the DR unperformed. I wouldn't be surprised if Kieran is a mage(what with it being hereditary and all), but I certainly don't think anything we've seen thus far proves it to be true.
I dunno, even hardened, Alistair wouldn't turn his back on family. And unhardened, even if the PC doesn't act as his councilor, Eamon or Anora are in that capacity, so no, she doesn't get half the treasury either, though she probably is allowed to be in the castle, either as a servant or a 'guest'--at best a servant if Anora is in charge.
As far as he knows, this is his half sister, the only 'blood relation' alive he has, and those are his nieces and nephews she has to support. People are so willing to put Goldanna on a chopping block, and hell I wish at times I had the ability to slap that smug attitude off her face, but try to see it from her point of view. The mother she loved dies giving birth to a selfish king's unwanted bastard and she's kicked out of the castle as a child with a couple coins to shut her up. She's had to work hard selling her washing work (and from the look of five extra mouths to feed, her body as well) just to put food in her mouth. And when she encounters Alistair after thinking him dead all those years, he comes in wearing fancy armor, in an order that (despite Loghain's best slander efforts) is viewed as an honor to join, and in the company of others in fancy armor/weapons and a fellow grey warden. Very rich company indeed. The 'unwanted bastard' who 'killed her mom' is doing very well for himself.
If you are a male PC and choose the right responses in the conversation, she softens her attitude quite a bit, (though it is far from warm toward him) but you can see the hard veneer she puts up is a defense mechanism against more hurt.
I don't like Goldanna one bit, but have her arrested just for asking for help? Not even hardened Alistair would do that, especially since he doesn't know she isn't family.
Now that I think about it didn't we see Kieran doing something magical to Flemeth? Although that could be just be because of the Old God soul I suppose...
Because originally his mother was Goldanna's mother.
Gaider later retconned that bit from DA:O. Also bad idea was bad.
Well, The Calling was released a month before DAO came out, so safe to say that Gaider probably worked on them at the same time?
Not to say that the human mother part might have come first, but as they were working on The Calling during development, it kinda fell into place that this was a far better plot twist and more interesting backstory for Alistair to have, so they made that canon instead, with the human mother part relegated to some clever misdirection on the part of Eamon and Maric?
It's not like the entire thing isn't that hard to reconcile either?
The serving girl died in childbirth, they thought they had a solid cover for Alistair, only for a bratty teenage girl to show up out of the blue later and reveal she was the woman's daughter... leading to them giving her some cash to shut up and go away. After meeting Goldanna for five minutes, I don't doubt that her laundry's entire business model is based on people paying her simply to shut up and leave.
As for Kieran, I think he's probably a mage, as he mentions to a Mage Inquisitor that lyrium gives him headaches? Since it's unlikely Morrigan is trying to get her son addicted to Lyrium to make him into a pseudo-Templar, they're probably using it for magic?
If he was a mage, it's possible he may not be anymore..? 
As Morrigan said, he had a destiny and now it's in Flemeth's hands.
...Or maybe Solas' hands? 
Well I'm just playing through with a non-DR Kieran and if he is a mage then I'd say Morrigan has done a very good job of bringing him up not only to be normal but not over emphasise his gifts. Mind you that is only to be expected since she has a deal of experience in that respect. As the DR Kieran ends up losing the old god essence that makes him "odd", whichever way he began, he is now just a decent kid that Morrigan is clearly very fond and proud of. Good for her.
Oh, not this again.Because originally his mother was Goldanna's mother.
Gaider later retconned that bit from DA:O. Also bad idea was bad.
Well, he connected the Eluvian to the Fade casually, without any need for the Well of Sorrows, which means he was a ridiculously powerful on while he had Urthemiel's soul.
After losing it, he might or might not be.
Well, he connected the Eluvian to the Fade casually, without any need for the Well of Sorrows, which means he was a ridiculously powerful on while he had Urthemiel's soul.
After losing it, he might or might not be.
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