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[Han Shot First]

Well, The Calling was released a month before DAO came out, so safe to say that Gaider probably worked on them at the same time?

 

Not to say that the human mother part might have come first, but as they were working on The Calling during development, it kinda fell into place that this was a far better plot twist and more interesting backstory for Alistair to have, so they made that canon instead, with the human mother part relegated to some clever misdirection on the part of Eamon and Maric?

 

It's not like the entire thing isn't that hard to reconcile either?

 

The serving girl died in childbirth, they thought they had a solid cover for Alistair, only for a bratty teenage girl to show up out of the blue later and reveal she was the woman's daughter... leading to them giving her some cash to shut up and go away. After meeting Goldanna for five minutes, I don't doubt that her laundry's entire business model is based on people paying her simply to shut up and leave.

 

As for Kieran, I think he's probably a mage, as he mentions to a Mage Inquisitor that lyrium gives him headaches? Since it's unlikely Morrigan is trying to get her son addicted to Lyrium to make him into a pseudo-Templar, they're probably using it for magic?

 

While the Calling released a month before DA:O, the script for DA:O would have been written well before the release of the Calling. It is impossible to say whether the section of the DA:O script was written first, or Gaider's book, because both were being written/developed simultaneously. It is my understanding that the portions dealing with Goldanna's mother were not written by Gaider, but by another writer on the dev team. It seems this might have been a case of two different writers having two different ideas and not communicating. 

 

In any case Fiona turning out to be Alistair's mother caused all sorts of problems, and that idea should have been scrapped after DA:O released. The games themselves should always be a higher level of canon than outside media like books or comics. The Fiona reveal not only contradicted DA:O and rendered the whole Goldanna subplot pointless, but it created timeline issues as well. 

 

If Loghain is recruited in DA:O he'll state that Maric never acknowledged Alistair as his son for fear of turning Rowan into a concubine in the eyes of the people of Ferelden. The problem with that statement is that it only works for Goldanna's mother, who we know next to nothing about. Unlike Fiona it would be possible for her to carry on an affair with a still-married Maric. Fiona on the other hand we know didn't meet Maric until years after Rowan was already dead. A dead woman can't be the victim of infidelity. 

 

Contradictions & timeline problems aside, I've also never been fond of Fiona being Alistair's mother because it makes him even more of a special snowflake than he already is. It is not enough that he's the bastard son of a king and a descendant of the dragon-blood drining Calenhad, or a Grey Warden, but he also now is the son of an elf mage who is also the only person known to have been cured of the taint, and the leader of the mage rebellion to boot. That sort of puts Alistair into Wesley Crusher territory. 

[Lumix19]

While the Calling released a month before DA:O, the script for DA:O would have been written well before the release of the Calling. It is impossible to say whether the section of the DA:O script was written first, or Gaider's book, because both were being written/developed simultaneously. It is my understanding that the portions dealing with Goldanna's mother were not written by Gaider, but by another writer on the dev team. It seems this might have been a case of two different writers having two different ideas and not communicating.

In any case Fiona turning out to be Alistair's mother caused all sorts of problems, and that idea should have been scrapped after DA:O released. The games themselves should always be a higher level of canon than outside media like books or comics. The Fiona reveal not only contradicted DA:O and rendered the whole Goldanna subplot pointless, but it created timeline issues as well.

If Loghain is recruited in DA:O he'll state that Maric never acknowledged Alistair as his son for fear of turning Rowan into a concubine in the eyes of the people of Ferelden. The problem with that statement is that it only works for Goldanna's mother, who we know next to nothing about. Unlike Fiona it would be possible for her to carry on an affair with a still-married Maric. Fiona on the other hand we know didn't meet Maric until years after Rowan was already dead. A dead woman can't be the victim of infidelity.

Contradictions & timeline problems aside, I've also never been fond of Fiona being Alistair's mother because it makes him even more of a special snowflake than he already is. It is not enough that he's the bastard son of a king and a descendant of the dragon-blood drining Calenhad, or a Grey Warden, but he also now is the son of an elf mage who is also the only person known to have been cured of the taint, and the leader of the mage rebellion to boot. That sort of puts Alistair into Wesley Crusher territory.

His intelligence only marginal outstrips that of Dog, I don't think he qualifies for special snowflake territory. It's just that everything around him is somewhat special. You wouldn't expect so many different and interesting things to gather around a single person.

[WillieStyle]

This has to be one of the best things Bioware has written since...well the series began. Not only resolving the issue for the Old God Baby in the future, but clearing matters between mother and daughter. Watching Morrigan beg on bent knee for Flemeth to take her instead of her son (she drank from the well in my game), was the only scene to make me cry this game--and there were some pretty good ones. And Flemeth's reaction when Morrigan defiantly exclaims she wouldn't be the same kind of mother she'd been, aaaah you can see how sharp that serpent's tooth bit.

Excellent! Both the writing from the staff and on the development team for animating the emotions this scene, and excellent acting from Ms Mulgrew and Ms Black. You can definitely tell this was a labor of love for all involved.

If this was all we got of Kieran's story, I say a good ending for the lad. I hope he has many long and happy years ahead with his mother, who has been and will continue to be a good mother to him!

Your description of this scene makes me want to make a game state in the keep where my Warden performs the dark ritual.

However, though I finished Origins half a dozen times, I never performed the dark ritual. It just seemed wrong. Especially when Morigan made it clear that I wouldn't be a part of my child's life.

Also, all my Wardens made the ultimate sacrifice. I'm a sucker for heroic deaths. So it feels wrong to make a world state that runs contrary to the nature of every HoF I ever made.

[Aren]

Your description of this scene makes me want to make a game state in the keep where my Warden performs the dark ritual.

However, though I finished Origins half a dozen times, I never performed the dark ritual. It just seemed wrong. Especially when Morigan made it clear that I wouldn't be a part of my child's life.

Also, all my Wardens made the ultimate sacrifice. I'm a sucker for heroic deaths. So it feels wrong to make a world state that runs contrary to the nature of every HoF I ever made.

Personally i prefer the scene at the temple of Mythal, because i find that foolish drama in the fade rather a clichè, where both Flemeth and Morrigan looks weak and really out of their personalities another reason to skip the ritual in DAO.

[MisterJB]

I thought the implication was that Flemeth opened the Eluvian and called to him?

She wouldn't have the key.

[Patchwork]

She wouldn't have the key.

 

Maybe people like Flemythal and Solas don't need one? Sort of a skeleton key spell that only Creators know, which if you believe the Old Gods=Creators theory Kieran would also know. 

 

And there is that nicer looking Crossroads at the end of them game, who knows where that's supposed to be.

[Lumix19]

She wouldn't have the key.

Yes but it seems more likely (to me) that Flemeth has something like Briala's skeleton key (being am Elven Goddess). The idea that Kieran knows the key and has the incredible power (and discipline) to direct it toward the Fade? Just seems less likely to me.

[MisterJB]

Yes but it seems more likely (to me) that Flemeth has something like Briala's skeleton key (being am Elven Goddess). The idea that Kieran knows the key and has the incredible power (and discipline) to direct it toward the Fade? Just seems less likely to me.

He has the soul of an old god.

I find it likely this was Bioware's way of showing just how potentially powerful the OGB is before they remove that plot point from the history forever.

[Lumix19]

He has the soul of an old god.
I find it likely this was Bioware's way of showing just how potentially powerful the OGB is before they remove that plot point from the history forever.

I have no problem with power, I mean who knows how powerful the Old Gods are? I more concerned about discipline. Whatever else Kieran is he is still a child.