AKA Flemeth?
I know the new direction her story has taken on a very technical level doesn't contradict what was previously stated, but I can't be the only one who thinks they are retconning her pretty hard these days.
I'm not complaining, just an observation. I like the direction they are taking the character.
Actually the direction they are going with her coincides with lore from codex entries in DAO. They've been pretty consistent with her, I think they had this planned for the long run.
I don't see why they'd retcon her, especially considering that there's nothing you can really do to her throughout the entire series no matter what. The Warden can "kill" her, but ultimately doesn't change anything, and Hawke always takes the amulet to Sundermount no matter what.
Flemeth, also, is not Mythal. She and Mythal have entered a pact and the latter came to her, presumably during the whole incident with Lord Conobar. If Mythal does not wish to have her presence known and Flemeth finds it disadvantageous to tell, how would anyone have known before hand? Flemeth is very, very good about keep secrets she wishes to keep - and feeding lies she wishes to sow.
I wonder what happens if The Warden doesn't harm Flemeth at all. Does she still give Hawke the amulet? Isn't that rather pointless?
I wonder what happens if The Warden doesn't harm Flemeth at all. Does she still give Hawke the amulet? Isn't that rather pointless?
It's not pointless. It is still a valuable insurance policy. Which considering what Solas does to her seems to pay off since there's still at least one Flemeth walking around.
I wonder what happens if The Warden doesn't harm Flemeth at all. Does she still give Hawke the amulet? Isn't that rather pointless?
Not really. The amulet was a back up, just in case anything happened, and was given to Hawke before Morrigan even asked the Warden to go her dirty work for her.
I'm sure that whole "going to possess Morrigan" thing was a red herring thrown out 6 years ago.
I don't buy it,
I'm sure that whole "going to possess Morrigan" thing was a red herring thrown out 6 years ago.
I don't buy it,
That was Morrigan's take on the situation. Remember, she never actually lets you read from the Grimoire and if I recall Flemeth never directly confirms what Morrigan said was going to happen. Frankly I wouldn't take either of their words for it. Both of them, for as much as I love them, are conniving as all hell.
That was Morrigan's take on the situation. Remember, she never actually lets you read from the Grimoire and if I recall Flemeth never directly confirms what Morrigan said was going to happen. Frankly I wouldn't take either of their words for it. Both of them, for as much as I love them, are conniving as all hell.
Though to be fair, if there was a change of direction, that would be one of the signs :-)
That was Morrigan's take on the situation. Remember, she never actually lets you read from the Grimoire and if I recall Flemeth never directly confirms what Morrigan said was going to happen. Frankly I wouldn't take either of their words for it. Both of them, for as much as I love them, are conniving as all hell.
Morrigan clearly does believe it. She has no other reason to make the accusation in this game if she doesn't.
Though to be fair, if there was a change of direction, that would be one of the signs :-)
True. 
Wulfram, forgive me, I didn't see your post till I posted this and now I can't properly quote you. She might believe it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Again, without reading the Grimoire ourselves there's no real way to know. That, and if you go by Flemeth's take and Yavanna's from what I can extrapolate from the Wikia, it isn't necessarily what she interpreted it as. Flemeth says you cannot possess the unwilling. And while I can't honestly say if this is true about Yavanna, the Flemeth entry on the wikia suggests that according to Yavana the whole ordeal is a gift. http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Flemeth
Again though, take that as a grain of salt. I haven't read the Silent Grove and can't confirm it. Just throwing it out there in case someone here can shed light on it. Especially if it isn't true.
There's shards of the truth in what all of them say, I'd wager. But each is tinged with their own biases and secrets.
What did we ever really know about Flemeth though? They didn't have anything to retcon really, they just answered some questions and created a new list haha.
I know the new direction her story has taken on a very technical level doesn't contradict what was previously stated,
It's underwhelming that Flemeth is a god (or holds god-given pawa) if the warden can easily kick her ass.
It's underwhelming that Flemeth is a god (or holds god-given pawa) if the warden can easily kick her ass.
Flemeth had to let herself be killed or lose the remaining Grey Wardens in Ferelden and having Fith Blight get out of control. So there is doubt whether she was fighting to kill there. (gah 
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Also the only thing which seems to stand out in Flemeth dialogue is the piece when you go to confront her in Origins and say "Morrigan knows how you extend your unnatural lifespan" to which she replies "That she does, but do you?". I guess it can be read as Flemeth simply giving too much credit to Morrigan on the understanding of her nature at this point.
O they are retconing her? what exactly has been retconed?
Regarding Morrigan's claim that flemeth was going to possess her body just like she did with previous daughters , well Flemeth doesnt deny that in DA I does she ? she just said that and i quote " a soul is not forced on the unwilling , you were never in danger from me " so yes she took over their bodies but they agreed to it ,something Morrigan didnt know.
It's underwhelming that Flemeth is a god (or holds god-given pawa) if the warden can easily kick her ass.
Ah your Warden fought Flemeth 1 on 1 and easily won? thats impressive , mine had 3 companions with him and still struggled :-)
We've been theorizing that she was Fen'Harel, Razikale, or Andraste all this time. That she's a deity isn't at all surprising, just which one. And I really doubt she threw everything she had at the Warden. She knew the Warden had to end the Fifth Blight, and she knew she was safe because Hawke had that amulet.
Nah...My Warden is just a badass. No god, demon, dragon or prophet will stand in his way.
O they are retconing her? what exactly has been retconed?
Regarding Morrigan's claim that flemeth was going to possess her body just like she did with previous daughters , well Flemeth doesnt deny that in DA I does she ? she just said that and i quote " a soul is not forced on the unwilling , you were never in danger from me " so yes she took over their bodies but they agreed to it ,something Morrigan didnt know.
She almost seemed to imply that they wanted to be possessed, I would love to know why haha.
Ah your Warden fought Flemeth 1 on 1 and easily won? thats impressive , mine had 3 companions with him and still struggled :-)
I'm sorry I didn't intend to brag, in fact my warden accepted Flemeth's deal and lied to Morrigan. My point is her flashy introduction doesn't have the desired effect because I remember her ass can be kicked. It's sort of like seeing your high school crush taking a ****** between two cars, you know? The aura of mystery and awe doesn't quite hold up afterwards.
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