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[Asperath]

Ours and every other politician that ever existed. LOL only reason we get special attention is because the world is obsessed with us

 

Hmm... someone thinks they're a tall poppy now don't they?

[Seraphim24]

I'd have a Dear John story arc open regardless of romance, because the character arc would be enough to largely dominate a character's unique plot budget. Moreover, helping someone deal with long-distance relationship troubles is a wonderfully fertile role-playing opportunity, one in which the nuances of context range widely for the countless sort of observor relationships are possible. Even 'just friends' have times when they need help with relationship issues with someone else.

 

If I were to include a reuniting/reconciliation angle, though, I'd frame the Dear John letter in specific ways. The obvious one being that the Dear John letter itself is the sort written by someone else- perhaps a forgery under the wife's name, or perhaps someone claiming the role of a 'friend.' Think of it as, 'Dear John, your wife is sleeping around, and here's some helpful proof.'

 

And if John writes his wife 'is this true,' then he gets a letter that says 'Dear John, it's true.' For whatever reasons she gives, but she confesses the infidelity when confronted.

 

A reuniting path (and this is hardly required) would have a context in which reconiliation is more reasonable. Something like the wife threatening divorce, or that it was an affair and not a committed relationship (though her lover may try and trick/convince John/the player that it is/should be a committed relationship). In such a case the resolution arc would focus on forgiveness (John of his wife) and working to repair the problems that started it (John being away for so long- maybe now he commits to staying home). Whereas the 'steal John' or 'breakup' paths would go along the lines of 'you can do and deserve better' or 'you'll never trust her again.'

 

 

So, as a brief encounter sketch of the major conversations-

 

'Friendship route.' The PC isn't trying to romance John.

1. Introduction. John talks about his beloved wife. John misses her, but has no doubts.

2. The Dear John letter (from a friend). John gets a letter claiming his wife is cheating on him. John is angry and doesn't believe it, but the letter includes some evidence or token to make it credible. John resolves to mail his wife directly.

3. The Dear John letter (from the wife). The wife writes back, admitting to infidelity. She gives her reasons, and indicates that she doesn't want to hurt him out of spite, but also says she doesn't intend to have a farce of a long distance relationship anymore. She refuses to answer or send any more letters.

4. John is depressed and angry. He gets no more replies. The PC can console him, cajole him, or take different positions regarding the wife. The player has two diverging paths to urge John to take: (1) break up, or (2) try to reconcile. Regardless, John wants to confront his wife.

5. Confrontation with wife. Before the confrontation her Paramore in the affair speaks to the PC, urging them to allow the marriage to end because Reasons, such as 'this will let John focus on saving the world with you,' but which would allow him/her to hook up with the wife. Confrontation could go many different ways, based on player involvement or prior actions. End state- John breaks up angrily, sadly but in mutual agreement, or resolved to reconcile.

6. Resolution. John has made some sort of peace. Maybe not with the wife, who he may hate, but he is resolved to move on with his life. If reconciled, John is resolved to return home and stay there after the quest is finished.

 

 

 

'Romance' Route- the PC is trying to get with John.

1. Introduction. Initial flirting is politely turned down. John talks about his beloved wife. John misses her, but has no doubts.

2. The Dear John letter (from a friend). John gets a letter claiming his wife is cheating on him. John is angry and doesn't believe it, but the letter includes some evidence or token to make it credible. John resolves to mail his wife directly. John is in a state of denial right now, and would ignore blatant flirting/opportunism. However, a second 'subdued' flirting path plays the role of closer confidant.

3. The Dear John letter (from the wife). The wife writes back, admitting to infidelity. She gives her reasons. If the PC has been flirting with John, one of her reasons may be that she has heard 'from a friend' that John has been getting close with other women while away from home. She doesn't want to hurt him out of spite, but also says she doesn't intend to have a farce of a long distance relationship anymore. Regardless of how blatant the PC has been flirting with him, John is more angry at his wife than at the PC. He knows he hasn't cheated (despite Sexual Tension, which he might admit to if the player has been blatant), and is angry at the wife for believing lies rather than at the PC for giving fodder.

4. John is depressed and angry. He gets no more replies. The PC on a romance path consoles him. Two flirt-related lines of argument are 'she doesn't deserve you,' or 'I am here for you.' The PC on a romance path can (but doesn't have to) outright seduce him- either by urging him into revenge sex and the unresolved sexual tension, or offering comfort sex based on trust. Regardless of whether the PC sleeps with John, he still wants to confront the wife.

5. The Confrontation with the wife. Naturally actually sleeping with John makes things much more contentious and potentially explosive. This time in the pre-confrontation, the Paramore reveals that they know about the PC's attempts to woe John, as well as if they slept together. The Paramore makes a deal/offer of mutual benefit- the two of you work together so that you (the PC) can get John, and he (the Paramore) gets the wife. Everyone's happy. If you refuse, but slept with John, he threatens blackmail and to reveal the truth. Despite this, with the right words (and a pre-emptive confession) you can still reconcile John and his wife- it might require special conditions or a speach check, but basically the PC can appeal for mutual forgiveness, though that requires giving up John. The endstates are the same: John and his wife break up angrily (much more likely if you slept with John), amicably, or reconcile.

6. Resolution. John has come to terms with his feelings for his wife, and for you. If you broke them up, then John is ready and wants to be with you. Ending the romance now... isn't very nice, and might involve some accusations about deliberately destroying his marriage. But assuming you don't, John is committed to having a better committed relationship with you- traveling with you so that you might never be apart, or settling down together (if that's what the player wants). If the player passed on love to reconcile John and his wife, John thanks the player and gives a speech about how even though he will be faithful to his wife going forward, the player will always hold a special spot in his heart forever. Maybe, in a different life... but in this one, he hopes they can still be friends.

 

 

And so it would be.

 

Wow! So that's not specific at all haha. When I say an vampire sorceress with so and so personality that's pretty much actually all there is a lot of the time. (I'm thinking she has red stripe tattoos on her face ahem)

 

Anyway I'd still stand by my original choice.. (if you don't really mind me commenting??)

 

The problem from my perspective isn't just that route 2 seems a bit more difficult to happen, it's also, why is my PC interested in this person that ended up in such a clusterfail? It's not necessarily like "cheating is bad" or he's damaged goods, but simply did they settle on this arrangement that eventually didn't work out? The wife or John could of been like.. hey.. you know.. screw this marriage ideal thing, lets party! Or.. if John really wanted that.. well.. it hurts to get burned but for my PC John should of been more careful getting into something with someone who wasn't what he wanted.

 

It might be interesting (to me) if John and the wife had some kind of more arranged marriage or it was more a matter of necessity that thrust them together. Alternatively, if there was an indication that John actually didn't really mind if they had an open relationship or something like that. As is, it's kind of rock hard ideal meeting cold hard reality that is a collision I've seen a few too many times perhaps...

 

So knowing more I'd question whether I'd be interested in John.. but at the same time, since it's just a matter of my PC, I would pick the 1st route but be as nice and encouraging as possible towards a genericly good future, without necessarily bringing any of that internal logic up since there would be no need to discuss it.

[Colonelkillabee]

Hmm... someone thinks they're a tall poppy now don't they?

You're not really american unless you're prideful and arrogant, whether you deserve to be or not. (I do, lol )

 

Anyone else is an unpatriotic tool, not a TRUE American. Probably a damn communist or something.

 

[HuldraDancer]

Mentioned this before but going to bring it up again give slightly more detail (though no where near as much as some are cause too lazy for that)

 

I'd like a Diamanda Hagan type of LI well at the moment I would I'm sure in practice one would scare me horribly anyway what I mean by Diamanda Hagan for those not familiar with her is that I'd like an LI who is oozing with confidence, good on their threats, without mercy, quite egotistical. Does what they want and wont apologize for their actions and probably some crazy thrown in there as well, intelligent and crass with a really warped sense of humor. Though this'd only be a type of LI I could enjoy in the right mindset given that the LI would be a nut job a powerful one too.

 

(though this suggestion is bias on my own love for the mistress. Hail Hagan!)

[Sifr]

Mentioned this before but going to bring it up again give slightly more detail (though no where near as much as some are cause too lazy for that)

 

I'd like a Diamanda Hagan type of LI well at the moment I would I'm sure in practice one would scare me horribly anyway what I mean by Diamanda Hagan for those not familiar with her is that I'd like an LI who is oozing with confidence, good on their threats, without mercy, quite egotistical. Does what they want and wont apologize for their actions and probably some crazy thrown in there as well, intelligent and crass with a really warped sense of humor. Though this'd only be a type of LI I could enjoy in the right mindset given that the LI would be a nut job a powerful one too.

 

(though this suggestion is bias on my own love for the mistress. Hail Hagan!)

 

Didn't we already have this type of LI when we romanced Morrigan?

 

Although she wasn't that nutty, so... Morrigan by way of Sera?

 

[HuldraDancer]

Didn't we already have this type of LI when we romanced Morrigan?

 

Although she wasn't that nutty, so... Morrigan by way of Sera?

 

 

Morrigan wasn't near as ruthless or crazy enough. 

 

So I guess Morrigan+Sera+Lack of any mercy would work.

 

The Mistress after all is the kind of woman that'll make you eat your own children if you bring her the wrong kind of coffee. She'd also shoot you in the head during oral because she likes the way your lips quiver as the bullet goes through your skull and into your spine.

[LaughingBanana]

Someone with a long hair.

 

Oh, but that'll probably break the game, since apparently there is a law in Thedas right now that you can't have long hair.

[Lady Artifice]

 

I think its finally time for you guys to admit all that fast food is bad for you if you've gotten so big as to get your own gravitational pull to a degree that everything revolves around you.

 

 

Actually, everything revolves around the Sun.

 

(Which some Americans seem to think shines out of the same place that their leaders often talk with...)

 

 

 

 

Ouch.

 

Spoiler

 

[Asperath]

You're not really american unless you're prideful and arrogant, whether you deserve to be or not. (I do, lol )

 

Anyone else is an unpatriotic tool, not a TRUE American. Probably a damn communist or something.

 

 

Least you know it

 

Personally, I think I'd rather not come up with my own LI simply because if I did personality wise they'd be predicable, not to mention sometimes what you think you like often isn't want you really want.

[Sifr]

Ouch.

 

Spoiler

 

 

I did specify only some Americans though, don't worry, the rest of you get this reaction from us;

 

Spoiler

 

 

Morrigan wasn't near as ruthless or crazy enough. 

 

So I guess Morrigan+Sera+Lack of any mercy would work.

 

The Mistress after all is the kind of woman that'll make you eat your own children if you bring her the wrong kind of coffee. She'd also shoot you in the head during oral because she likes the way your lips quiver as the bullet goes through your skull and into your spine.

 

Wait, doesn't that just about describe Flemeth and/or Captain Janeway?

 

[HuldraDancer]

 

Wait, doesn't that just about describe Flemeth and/or Captain Janeway?

 

 

Didn't think it describe Flemeth all that much she beats around the bush too much with what her goals are (okay it might fit her a bit)

 

Can't say I know/recall who Captain Janeway is though.

[Augustei]

You're not really american unless you're prideful and arrogant, whether you deserve to be or not. (I do, lol )

 

Anyone else is an unpatriotic tool, not a TRUE American. Probably a damn communist or something.

 

 

Such Barbarian nonsense will do you harm once Rome rises again....You just wait, its tots' gonna happen. And no not that disgusting Caesar's Legion

[LadyofClockwork7]

A hot, sassy, dark-haired dark-eyed Antivan assassin (freelance) who is secretly a hopeless romantic and duels another for my favour.

 

Bonus points if they're royalty.

 

*coughOberynMartellcough* 

[Colonelkillabee]

Such Barbarian nonsense will do you harm once Rome rises again....You just wait, its tots' gonna happen

**** Rome. That is all.

[Colonelkillabee]

Least you know it

That we're awesome? I know it LOL. Especially since I'm from here. That gives the US of A a lot of kudos points.

 

Though technically, I was born in Germany. Army brat.

[Augustei]

Ouch.

 

Spoiler

 

Nah theres some alright ones, sept you I hear you don't like beets

Beetroot on burgers is the greatest, us aussies invented that y'know
 

[Augustei]

**** Rome. That is all.

Your words are Ultimate Heresy!!!! We had a few laughs before, but you crossed a fridge to far american!

[Colonelkillabee]

LOL I'm the American. I'm supposed to be the little roman fanboy

 

Seriously tho, they're wannabe greek assholes, nothing more nothing less, lol.

[Sifr]

Didn't think it describe Flemeth all that much she beats around the bush too much with what her goals are (okay it might fit her a bit)

 

Can't say I know/recall who Captain Janeway is though.

 

While we've never seen her do anything outright malevolent, we're told by both Fereldan and Dalish legends that Flemeth/Asha'Bellanar has been known to string up foolish people who enter into the Korcari Wilds or keep her waiting, just because, told Morrigan bedtime stories that haunted her dreams, as well as frequently take Chasind men to her bed and murder them afterwards.

 

As for Captain Janeway, she was the Star Trek character that Kate Mulgrew also played, who suffered from such bad characterisation over the run of Star Trek: Voyager when it came to her motives and principles, she ended up sometimes appearing to be an unstable, slightly insane tyrannical leader... making her essentially into a kind of proto-Flemeth.

 

(Or if we're being generous, Janeway was just deeply bipolar, something that Kate Mulgrew herself has mused when talking about the character).

[Asperath]

That we're awesome? I know it LOL. Especially since I'm from here. That gives the US of A a lot of kudos points.

 

Though technically, I was born in Germany. Army brat.

 

*cough* yeah, yeah that's EXACTLY what I meant

[Augustei]

LOL I'm the American. I'm supposed to be the little roman fanboy

 

Seriously tho, they're wannabe greek assholes, nothing more nothing less, lol.

.......We can't be friends anymore, also I'm going to track you down and sick a herd of drop bears on you. You've been warned

[HuldraDancer]

While we've never seen her do anything outright malevolent, we're told by both Fereldan and Dalish legends that Flemeth/Asha'Bellanar has been known to string up foolish people who enter into the Korcari Wilds or keep her waiting, just because, told Morrigan bedtime stories that haunted her dreams, as well as frequently take Chasind men to her bed and murder them afterwards.

 

As for Captain Janeway, she was the Star Trek character that Kate Mulgrew also played, who suffered from such bad characterisation over the run of Star Trek: Voyager when it came to her motives and principles, she ended up sometimes appearing to be an unstable, slightly insane tyrannical leader... making her essentially into a kind of proto-Flemeth.

 

(Or if we're being generous, Janeway was just deeply bipolar, something that Kate Mulgrew herself has mused when talking about the character).

 

I'm not arguing the ruthless part all that much but even Flemeth seems to generous to fit Hagan type of lady (I would highly recommend watching some of her things might give a better insight to what I mean, not saying you aren't understanding I'm just horrible at explaining things) Plus Flemeth is too patient I didn't put it in my first post and I should have for that I apologize The Mistress is very compulsive in an odd way guess she's a bit of a contradiction ^^;

 

Ah that explains why I do not recognize the name I have never actually seen Star Trek before so I am unfamiliar with the character.

 

Though I guess if Morrigan, Flemeth, Sera, insanity, pure ruthlessness got mixed around into one person that would be pretty much what I would like when I'm in the right frame of mind for it

[Lady Artifice]

I specify only some Americans though, don't worry, the rest of you get this reaction from us;

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Oh, well that's a relief! Especially since my life occasionally revolves around British television. 

 

This one makes me think of you, btw:

 

Spoiler

 

Super NSFW.

 

 

I think The Doctor won.

[Sifr]

Oh, well that's a relief! Especially since my life occasionally revolves around British television. 

 

Well, I can't judge, since I spend far too much time watching American telly already...

 

And I loved that Epic Rap Battle, those are two of my all-time (pardon the pun) favourite time travel franchises.

 

(And the Doctor totally won, sorry Doc)

[Obvious_Shining]