If Barris did come back. What role do you think he'd play ?
Hard to say.
He would likely be a cameo then a full role as a companion. unfortunatly he can die, twice. But as a cameo, plenty of ideas. Perhaps as an ambassador to Tevinter on behlaf of the chantry/templars. Or if we are in another andrastian chantry nation, ie antiva or Rivian or the Anderfels then he could show up much easier as they would be following the same chantry as he does.
Not really. Soon as you get her friendship high enough,
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She still plays right into the common bisexual with a shady past archetype.
She has a past yes. But she's not a liar. She's about as pure and as sweet as a person could be
Hard to say.
He would likely be a cameo then a full role as a companion. unfortunatly he can die, twice. But as a cameo, plenty of ideas. Perhaps as an ambassador to Tevinter on behlaf of the chantry/templars. Or if we are in another andrastian chantry nation, ie antiva or Rivian or the Anderfels then he could show up much easier as they would be following the same chantry as he does.
Yeah, not likely to be a companion. Still if he was it would be something new. We've never had a full fledged and loyal templar companion. It could be interesting.
She has a past yes. But she's not a liar. She's about as pure and as sweet as a person could be
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I don't disagree with any of that, but my point was that she still plays into the same archetype, and I'd like to see one bisexual character who doesn't. Josie's a a cutie and a sweetie pie, but still not the "knightly" or "righteous" character I'd like to see, for a change. You know, like people say they'd like a "white knight" gay character? I'd like a bi character like that too. And as sweet as she is, Josie still has a dark shady past, the same as every other bi character we'd had, so she doesn't quite hit the mark.
In any case... Barris. Yes. 
I don't disagree with any of that, but my point was that she still plays into the same archetype, and I'd like to see one bisexual character who doesn't. Josie's a a cutie and a sweetie pie, but still not the "knightly" or "righteous" character I'd like to see, for a change. You know, like people say they'd like a "white knight" gay character? I'd like a bi character like that too. And as sweet as she is, Josie still has a dark shady past, the same as every other bi character we'd had, so she doesn't quite hit the mark.
In any case... Barris. Yes.
I'd take Barris in any form. Prefer him to be gay. Happy with Bi. Will accept him as straight, though it's not what I'd want.
Find it funny that Barris is praised as the ideal templar yet Thrask and Evangeline aren't liked.
Wow guys, 250 posts in less then one day. I never expected something like this when I made this thread. This is awesome !
Find it funny that Barris is praised as the ideal templar yet Thrask and Evangeline aren't liked.
Thrask was a good man. But he was kind of bland personality wise. Evangeline was just not very likeable. Quite stern. Plus not everyone reads the books.
Barris is handsome, likeable. And arguably does more to fix the templars than any other character to date.
Shame that he is most likely dead in most of my games. If more people like him were in charge of the Templars, I might be willing to side with them, but I can never stomach allowing the Templars who did commit crimes to get away with it just because one templar is good. I find the Templars to become too corrupt and likely to fall into the same corruption eventually so I settle for letting the order be destroyed. Luckily my ending gave me independent mages who are accepted by Thedas so I'm not really too broken up by his death.
Oh good this has gone back to Ser Barris, I was catching up and got worried thinking this was going to turn into some Mage vs Templar crud and that I'd have to leave since I don't have a horse in that race. Good to see it's back to a character thread of a good character that despite getting little screen time is awesome. So many pages added in such a short time! I like it! Does anyone know for sure if he's dead or not if you do the mage's quest? I always kind of assumed that he was but wasn't 100% sure.
Oh good this has gone back to Ser Barris, I was catching up and got worried thinking this was going to turn into some Mage vs Templar crud and that I'd have to leave since I don't have a horse in that race. Good to see it's back to a character thread of a good character that despite getting little screen time is awesome. So many pages added in such a short time! I like it! Does anyone know for sure if he's dead or not if you do the mage's quest? I always kind of assumed that he was but wasn't 100% sure.
Most likely dead if you side with the mages since the Inquisitor isn't there to stop the red templars
Most likely dead if you side with the mages since the Inquisitor isn't there to stop the red templars
I assumed that was the case would only make sense I suppose. Bit of a shame though.
Yeah, not likely to be a companion. Still if he was it would be something new. We've never had a full fledged and loyal templar companion. It could be interesting.
the thing is that the biggest rumor is that we are going to Tevinter. And tevinter's templars are rather different from the southern templars.
glad your thread is thrivingWow guys, 250 posts in less then one day. I never expected something like this when I made this thread. This is awesome !
Find it funny that Barris is praised as the ideal templar yet Thrask and Evangeline aren't liked.
I consider Evangeline to be the same
I'd make her or Barris the leader of the Templars
Even my mage inquisitor chose templars because of Ser Barris.
He's a templar. His death, or probable conversion into a red lyrium fiend and subsequent death, is unmourned in my playthrough.
Tell me, then, why he didn't leave the Order and later join the Inquisition.
Find it funny that Barris is praised as the ideal templar yet Thrask and Evangeline aren't liked.
Thrask turned his nose up to mage corruption, he allowed Grace to go wild and when he no longer had control he was scared even though this was his fault. He had good intentions but made too many mistakes and that caused him his life.
As for Evangline, I like her but at first she was just your common templar who only sided with the mages because of her love for Rhys, Barris on the other hand simply wants to protect mages from not only magic, but from demons and corrupt templars, along with following his beliefs There's no "love did it!" With him, it's his own convictions and I think people will respect that more then a "love changes people."
Also guys, let's try to keep this as far away from Mage/Templar discussion as possible. At least as far as the war and such goes. There are other threads for that. This is for discussing the glorious Ser Barris !
I'd like Barris to be bi more than anything because I want a "knightly" or "righteous" bisexual character one of these days, to break this unintentional BioWare stereotype that bisexuals are always roguish, tricksy, liars and thieves, have a dark past full of trauma and angst, etc. Just one bisexual character who is not shady as hell, please. Just one. That's all I ask.
But I'd be cool if he was gay too, I prefer playing female but I can always shrug it off and romance him with a male character as I did with Dorian. No biggie. The one thing I would not want, is for Barris to just be straight. I love my three Prince Charming love interests to pieces, but there's no reason only female characters should have fairy tale boyfriends. We need some of that sweetness to go around for everyone.
Josephine fits your criteria. So does Merrill.
And in Mass Effect there is Liara(in ME1 at least) and Kelly.
Find it funny that Barris is praised as the ideal templar yet Thrask and Evangeline aren't liked.
That probably has something to do with Thrask being a liar who allies with Blood Mages and has someone dear to the Champion kidnapped and almost killed because he was too stupid to see how far gone Grace was. Nice guy, I'd probably have him over for dinner, but he was hardly the model Templar.
Evangeline is only slightly better. She's a betrayer. She has innocent blood on her hands because she is at least partly responsible for the Mage Rebellion, and she's a coward. Rather than stay and attempt to fix things, she runs and hides, doing exactly nothing useful until the Inquisition comes for her and Rhys.
Josephine fits your criteria. So does Merrill.
Merrill is a blood mage who makes friends with demons, and I literally just went over Josephine in the last page. Let us not derail this thread further.
All we know is that Barris protects mages. Do we even know if he's that traditional of a templar and is firmly against mage freedom? What if he turns out to be ok with mage freedom, would he still be the "model" templar for the pro-templars?
Merrill is a blood mage who makes friends with demons, and I literally just went over Josephine in the last page. Let us not derail this thread further.
Neither are roguish, tricksy, liars and thieves, have a dark past full of trauma and angst, etc. Thus they fit. It sounds like you want a flawless character, and that isn't going to happen. If those two don't fit your criteria, then none of the straight or gay romances would either if the criteria was set for that sexuality.
To keep ontpic, I'm sad I'll never get to meet Barris since I always go to the Mages. Stopping a Tevinter Magister who has magic that can tear apart the fabric of reality is more pressing than going to have a chat with the Templars.
That probably has something to do with Thrask being a liar who allies with Blood Mages and has someone dear to the Champion kidnapped and almost killed because he was too stupid to see how far gone Grace was. Nice guy, I'd probably have him over for dinner, but he was hardly the model Templar.
Evangeline is only slightly better. She's a betrayer. She has innocent blood on her hands because she is at least partly responsible for the Mage Rebellion, and she's a coward. Rather than stay and attempt to fix things, she runs and hides, doing exactly nothing useful until the Inquisition comes for her and Rhys.
Was just going to say this. They gave up. Evangeline and Thrask (and Cullen, let's make this fair) are all good people, but they're not "ideal Templars," because they gave up on the Order. Instead of staying and trying to fix what was wrong with the Templars, they threw their hands up and peaced out. I love these characters, they're good people with good hearts and deserve respect for holding on to their own convictions... but they're not ideal Templars, if their response to crisis is giving up.
Barris stayed. He stuck with the Order to the end, trying to uphold the ideals of what the Templars should really be about even against impossible odds, even with his superiors, the rebel Templars, and pretty much the whole world against him. He lives and dies by the ideals of the Order, and only gives up if you force him to, if you disband the Order he's been fighting to save, so he has nothing left to fight for. That's an "ideal Templar" to me - one who will stay with the Order through thick and thin, who will bring it back to reason, reform it, weed out the corruption and shape it back into what it should be.
There's room to love all four characters for who they are, but Barris definitely takes the "ideal Templar" badge over the others.
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