Reformed but how can you be certain they won't fall into the same corruption that befell the templars earlier? Psychology has already shown that when people are given undeserved power over others, corruption is inevitable.
You do realise how hypocritical it is to say this about Templars and not about mages?
Reformed but how can you be certain they won't fall into the same corruption that befell the templars earlier? Psychology has already shown that when people are given undeserved power over others, corruption is inevitable.
A person who stands by his convictions to protect mages and mundanes a like and isn't neutrotic as to stand in the way of mage freedom. Someone who cares more about compassion and helping a person have a better life instead of bragging about killing an apostate and acting like a hero for killing the maleficar and protecting humanity. Now I know Barris isn't the latter but I get the impression that's what people in the BSN believe being a templar is all about. The idea of embodying the "protector" instead of actually being a protector. The envy to be "righteous".
Well, some of them yes. My ideal Templar is someone who stands by the order. But is also willing to question it when it turns down a dark path. Someone who wants to make the Templars all they can be. Someone willing to die to keep the mages safe. A compassionate and courageous person. A strong leader worthy of respect.
I think that's what Ser Barris is. A strong, compassionate leader. Willing to die for his order, and the mages he's sworn to protect.
The posts speak for themselves. Evangeline and Thrask were good templars. The fact they couldn't tell the difference speaks more then words.
The keyword is "were"
Well, some of them yes. My ideal Templar is someone who stands by the order. But is also willing to question it when it turns down a dark path. Someone who wants to make the Templars all they can be. Someone willing to die to keep the mages safe. A compassionate and courageous person. A strong leader worthy of respect.
I think that's what Ser Barris is. A strong, compassionate leader. Willing to die for his order, and the mages he's sworn to protect.
I hope that is what you truly believe. He also followed an envy demon but I won't hold that against him just as I won't hold it against Thrask for not noticing Grace was corrupted.
Well, some of them yes. My ideal Templar is someone who stands by the order. But is also willing to question it when it turns down a dark path. Someone who wants to make the Templars all they can be. Someone willing to die to keep the mages safe. A compassionate and courageous person. A strong leader worthy of respect.
I think that's what Ser Barris is. A strong, compassionate leader. Willing to die for his order, and the mages he's sworn to protect.
What would you wish to see happen in a world without templars?
This thread is 100% Barris.
I approve.
Wow guys, 250 posts in less then one day. I never expected something like this when I made this thread. This is awesome !
It's a thread about Ser Barris, how could it not be awesome?
The keyword is "were"
They still are good templars. We are of different minds about them.
They still are good templars. We are of different minds about them.
I also think they're good templars, but they aren't really a model templar Imho like Ser Barris is
I hope that is what you truly believe. He also followed an envy demon but I won't hold that against him just as I won't hold it against Thrask for not noticing Grace was corrupted.
I'm not saying Thrask and Evangeline weren't good. I'm saying when the order turned down a dark path. They turned to other means rather than truly trying to fix the order from the inside. That's what Barris did. He stuck by the order, and when they did something he felt was wrong he damn well voiced his disapproval. Which is why he was one of the templars about to be purged.
I also think they're good templars, but they aren't really a model templar Imho like Ser Barris is
I believe they are the same. Only difference is the Inquisitor saved him from following an envy demon so he could continue to live on the perform more accolades and gain more recognition. His accolades make Barris more renowned but they all share the same character that makes good model templars.
I'm not saying Thrask and Evangeline weren't good. I'm saying when the order turned down a dark path. They turned to other means rather than truly trying to fix the order from the inside. That's what Barris did. He stuck by the order, and when they did something he felt was wrong he damn well voiced his disapproval. Which is why he was one of the templars about to be purged.
Do you really believe that Thrask would able to reform the Kirkwall Templars? Also, Lambert was clearly unwilling to compromise at all so I doubt any amount of evidence could convince him. When people are so stuck in their ways, no amount of logic can convince them. So tell me, what should Thrask and Evangline done? Also, Thrask didn't leave the Templars, he wanted to get rid of Meredith and make it so that Templars and mages work together but apparently that isn't good enough for some people
I'm not saying Thrask and Evangeline weren't good. I'm saying when the order turned down a dark path. They turned to other means rather than truly trying to fix the order from the inside. That's what Barris did. He stuck by the order, and when they did something he felt was wrong he damn well voiced his disapproval. Which is why he was one of the templars about to be purged.
When did he voice his disapproval? He only did that when they discovered Lucius was an envy demon and he's been facepalming himself for it only when it came to light.
He also followed an envy demon
The entire point of the Champions quest is that no one knew Lucius had been replaced by Envy. None of the Templars there deliberately chose to follow a demon.
When did he voice his disapproval? He only did that when they discovered Lucius was an envy demon and he's been facepalming himself for it only when it came to light.
He was on the purge list for a reason. Because they knew he wouldn't follow when they started taking red lyrium.
Do you really believe that Thrask would able to reform the Kirkwall Templars? Also, Lambert was clearly unwilling to compromise at all so I doubt any amount of evidence could convince him. When people are so stuck in their ways, no amount of logic can convince them. So tell me, what should Thrask and Evangline done? Also, Thrask didn't leave the Templars, he wanted to get rid of Meredith and make it so that Templars and mages work together but apparently that isn't good enough for some people
And he did it by kidnapping someone close to Hawke, that was a great idea.
Also,the mages screwed that up by using blood magic. So that's not a great example.
He was on the purge list for a reason. Because they knew he wouldn't follow when they started taking red lyrium.
Why is it that Cullen was smart enough to leave the order and Barris wasn't. Even if he wanted to reform the templars the time to speak up was when Lucius decked that chantry mother and told the order to abandon Orlais. Why didn't he follow his convictions then? Him refusing red lyrium speaks more about his sense than his integrity.
And he did it by kidnapping someone close to Hawke, that was a great idea.
Also,the mages screwed that up by using blood magic. So that's not a great example.
And if you agree with him, he's perfectly willing to release the hostage unharmed and would likely accept your help if you share the same view as him. Too bad he didn't know that Grace is an ungrateful b-word and died for it. And if you claim that he is to blame for not knowing Grace was a blood mage, Barris also gets blame for not knowing Lucius was a demon.
I love me some Ser Barris.
And if you agree with him, he's perfectly willing to release the hostage unharmed and would likely accept your help if you share the same view as him. Too bad he didn't know that Grace is an ungrateful b-word and died for it. And if you claim that he is to blame for not knowing Grace was a blood mage, Barris also gets blame for not knowing Lucius was a demon.
I don't blame him for that, I'm just saying that was kind of a bad plan.
Hey guys, do you remember when this thread was about Ser Barris and not about mages and templars? What a good time. Maybe we could go back to those times?
Yes, please thank you. I didn't start this to argue with people. If you like Ser Barris and wanna talk about him. Stick around. If you wanna argue. Not the place for you.
We all love some Ser Barris but this thread puts him on a pedestal.
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