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[herkles]

If da4 is in Tevinter I am curious how would Barris fit in? I love the guy, but I am curious how he might make sense in Tevinter?

 

Oh and the tranquil? You mean the poor sods whom the Venatori were killing and cutting off their skulls to be used as shard detection devices? So sorry, but their deaths are totally on your lovely mages, no one else. Cause you know, Fiona is the dumbest person in Thedas, cause of course them nice Tevinter mages were simply escorting them poor tranquils to safety.

 

And freedom, never forget freedom.

IIRC weren't the mages in the rebellion treating the tranquil rather poorly anyways? Isn't that one of the reasons Minaeve gave why she joined the inquistion because she protected her tranquil friend while the other mages gave no crap about them?

[Xilizhra]

Nah, we don't see Barris died on screen. As a reminder, we got Leliana & Anders to die on screen at DA:O & DA2 and... here comes DA2 Anders & DA:I Leliana!!!

 

It's said that Barris died. They might make an explanation why the person told us this lie, or get wrong somehow.

Well, the only way he'd get out of that, at least on the mage path, is being either dead or red. Which would you prefer?

 

 

Oh and the tranquil? You mean the poor sods whom the Venatori were killing and cutting off their skulls to be used as shard detection devices? So sorry, but their deaths are totally on your lovely mages, no one else. Cause you know, Fiona is the dumbest person in Thedas, cause of course them nice Tevinter mages were simply escorting them poor tranquils to safety.

 

And freedom, never forget freedom.

Strange, I'm fairly sure the Venatori killed them (and also had oculara set up everywhere long before the Inquisitor came to Redcliffe; even with time magic, the Venatori can't have gotten all their Tranquil from there).

 

Either way, the mage civilian population is still completely boned if you leave them to the mercy of the Venatori. I rather think Barris would prefer to die for the sake of civilians if he's this honorable.

 

If there are children there, I will admit that they are non combatants

There are.

[TheTurtle]

*looks at all the praise for Barris*

Hmmm.


Why's that, from a roleplaying perspective? Investigating Redcliffe requires no power investment, so it'd make sense to do that first.

For you maybe, but siding with the mages was never an option for my human Andrastian warrior with no connection to mages whatsoever and no real reason to side with the losing side of the war.

(Side note: It's kind of bs that you get an opportunity to talk the Mages without committing, but not the Templars)

[Steelcan]

 

IIRC weren't the mages in the rebellion treating the tranquil rather poorly anyways? Isn't that one of the reasons Minaeve gave why she joined the inquistion because she protected her tranquil friend while the other mages gave no crap about them?

Cutting their heads off and using them as telescopes is a step below "treated rather poorly"

[Cerulione]

Okay, a question: in Templar Order, they use first name or family name?

 

We have:

Knight Commander Meredith (family name Stannard)

Knight Captain Cullen (family name Rutherford)

Knight Captain Evangeline (family name de Brassard)

Ser Wesley (family name Vallen)

 

But then it's Ser Barris (first name Delrin)?????

[Steelcan]

Either way, the mage civilian population is still completely boned if you leave them to the mercy of the Venatori. I rather think Barris would prefer to die for the sake of civilians if he's this honorable.

A.  If he showed up to help they'd kill him on the spot

B.  He's also still a member of the Order, and currently he is stationed at Therinfal, just because he isn't willing to go AWOL to get himself killed doesn't make him dishonorable.  He does what he can with what he's given.  And afterwards he proves that he's honorable when he defends mages from mobs

[Cerulione]

Well, the only way he'd get out of that, at least on the mage path, is being either dead or red. Which would you prefer?

 

 

Strange, I'm fairly sure the Venatori killed them (and also had oculara set up everywhere long before the Inquisitor came to Redcliffe; even with time magic, the Venatori can't have gotten all their Tranquil from there).

 

Either way, the mage civilian population is still completely boned if you leave them to the mercy of the Venatori. I rather think Barris would prefer to die for the sake of civilians if he's this honorable.

 

 

 

There are.

 

One thing: if you side with templar, at Haven attack scene you face Fiona, leader of Mages. If you side with Mages however, you get to battle Denam. I replayed last night and can't find Barris on that scene... So unless someone can find him on-screen at this scene there's a good chance he'll live

 

 

Anyone get to fight Barris at attack of Haven??

[Xilizhra]

A.  If he showed up to help they'd kill him on the spot

B.  He's also still a member of the Order, and currently he is stationed at Therinfal, just because he isn't willing to go AWOL to get himself killed doesn't make him dishonorable.  He does what he can with what he's given.  And afterwards he proves that he's honorable when he defends mages from mobs

Allow me to clarify: it'd be logical for Barris to have preferred that the Inquisitor goes to save the mages, or at least that would be what was consistent with his honor.

[Steelcan]

Allow me to clarify: it'd be logical for Barris to have preferred that the Inquisitor goes to save the mages, or at least that would be what was consistent with his honor.

Why?  He may sympathize with them, he clearly does, but that doesn't mean he is going to turn down an offer for the Order to redeem itself from its past mistakes.

[Xilizhra]

Why?  He may sympathize with them, he clearly does, but that doesn't mean he is going to turn down an offer for the Order to redeem itself from its past mistakes.

Because the Order's job is primarily protecting civilians, yes?

[Br3admax]

Because the Order's job is primarily protecting civilians, yes?

It's a good thing the mages already were nice enough to force most people without magical talent to run away or be enslaved. 

[Steelcan]

Because the Order's job is primarily protecting civilians, yes?

The Order's job is protecting and controlling mages, protecting non-mages is a secondary concern.

 

And currently the Order is at war because the mages have decided they don't want said protection.  His job would be to crush the insurrection, and then safeguard those who surrender/willingly remain in Circles

[Xilizhra]

The Order's job is protecting and controlling mages, protecting non-mages is a secondary concern.

 

And currently the Order is at war because the mages have decided they don't want said protection.  His job would be to crush the insurrection, and then safeguard those who surrender/willingly remain in Circles

I meant, at the very least, the children whom you admitted would be noncombatants if they were there in Redcliffe, which there clearly were.

[herkles]

For you maybe, but siding with the mages was never an option for my human Andrastian warrior with no connection to mages whatsoever and no real reason to side with the losing side of the war.

(Side note: It's kind of bs that you get an opportunity to talk the Mages without committing, but not the Templars)

same. Navilia Trevelyan's background has her connected to the templars: her brother, Rory Trevelyan, was a member who she was close with and he and another templar helped teach her archery. When the war started, she had no idea what occured to her brother and the templars of ostwick. That said she knew they were good people. Rory could be serious and dour at times, but the two sibilings did have a close bond and he was there for her when she was at one of her lowest points in her life.

 

I head-cannon that Rory and the other templars with him are part of the templars that Barris save. I do wish that for the human origin that there was a line at some point of "oh yeah, I have relatives in the templars!" as the trevelyan family is said to be devote. 

 

I do wish that we had a better meeting with the templars, and a more pressing reason to invistage them. I had one due to Navilia's background but not everyone would or do that.

[Steelcan]

I meant, at the very least, the children whom you admitted would be noncombatants if they were there in Redcliffe, which there clearly were.

yes, but perhaps he is better off trying to work for the betterment of the Order as a whole than throwing himself at spells to protect a few non-combatants

[Xilizhra]

yes, but perhaps he is better off trying to work for the betterment of the Order as a whole than throwing himself at spells to protect a few non-combatants

So letting innocents die for what you perceive as the greater good? How very Fionaish.

[herkles]

also redcliff looks to be perfectly fine with the exception that the mages are not around anymore in my templar playthrough.

[Steelcan]

So letting innocents die for what you perceive as the greater good? How very Fionaish.

Unlike Fiona, Barris did not start the war, he made no deals with demons (literal or metaphorical) and he cannot be reasonably expected to sacrifice himself to save those he has no reason to protect at the current time.  Once the war is over we see that he is concerned with protecting mages, but while they are in open revolt against the Chantry and fighting the Order?  Not really his duty

[Xilizhra]

Unlike Fiona, Barris did not start the war, he made no deals with demons (literal or metaphorical) and he cannot be reasonably expected to sacrifice himself to save those he has no reason to protect at the current time.  Once the war is over we see that he is concerned with protecting mages, but while they are in open revolt against the Chantry and fighting the Order?  Not really his duty

Sometimes, duty is an unjust chain that must be broken.

 

But that's not really my point, which was that Barris would have appreciated the Herald saving the mages.

[Br3admax]

Sometimes, duty is an unjust chain that must be broken.

 

But that's not really my point, which was that Barris would have appreciated the Herald saving the mages.

For children he doesn't know are there, neither does the Herald, that we don't even know the fate of? Or for the mages that turned on their own and let Tranquil be slaughtered by the thousands, without punishing a single one?

[ArvinDulku]

Funny thing I actually went to Redcliffe first, considering Fiona actually had the decency to invite me properly.

When I got there though, bloody hell. Them mages be cray cray.

Immediately ran to the Templars for anti magic support cause we needed to shut this **** down.

[Xilizhra]

For children he doesn't know are there, neither does the Herald, that we don't even know the fate of? Or for the mages that turned on their own and let Tranquil be slaughtered by the thousands, without punishing a single one?

Well, obviously, he'd have to know all facts of the situation before being able to appreciate any actions taken by the Herald.

 

 

Funny thing I actually went to Redcliffe first, considering Fiona actually had the decency to invite me properly.

When I got there though, bloody hell. Them mages be cray cray.

Immediately ran to the Templars for anti magic support cause we needed to shut this **** down.

I would, IC, die before ever siding with the templars.

[Br3admax]

Well, obviously, he'd have to know all facts of the situation before being able to appreciate any actions taken by the Herald.

What facts? The "children" we never once hear mention of outside of Fiona trying to find an excuse not to go through with her bargain or be kicked out of Ferelden? Most of us require a little more concrete evidence. 

[Steelcan]

that's nice

[ArvinDulku]

I would, IC, die before ever siding with the templars.

 

But you would support a bunch of d-bags who sparked a war, abused the hospitality of a nation that offered them refuge and allied...oh, wait no, sold themselves into slavery to a nation famed for their evilness?

 

For freedom.

 

Thanks for letting me know where you line in the sand is, bravo.