Well, the only way he'd get out of that, at least on the mage path, is being either dead or red. Which would you prefer?
Or he got sick of their **** and left before all that happened. Which is very possible considering he was planning to leave with the inquisition anyway.
Can we go back to ignoring Xil's self-serving blindsided crusade for ~freedom~ and talking about Barris in his thread, maybe?
Please and thank you. I've had enough of this mage/templar nonsense. And Xil specifically.
If this nonsense continues I'm going to get a mod in here. You can discuss mages and templars. That's pretty related to Barris. But we're not going to argue over which side is more just. Or "Mages are evil and need to be eradicated, go templars"
If we can discuss this in a more civil way I'm all for it, assuming it actually pertains to Barris. Otherwise, let's drop it please.
We need a poll before we make it official.. I think we should go with either Barristers or Barristas.
So everyone just post which your in favor of and I can tally the votes tomorrow. And we'll put the new name in the thread title !
I'll start, I vote Barristers.
Or he got sick of their **** and left before all that happened. Which is very possible considering he was planning to leave with the inquisition anyway.
Wait, you said Barris was a good templar since he wasn't willing to leave the order yet apparently now you're still saying he's good since he was planning to leave the templars yet you said people like evangeline aren't good since they left the templars. Do I smell hypocrite? or is just that they're pro-mage?
Wait, you said Barris was a good templar since he wasn't willing to leave the order yet apparently now you're still saying he's good since he was planning to leave the templars yet you said people like evangeline aren't good since they left the templars. Do I smell hypocrite? or is just that they're pro-mage?
Hm, fair point. Except I'm pretty sure he was taking the loyal templars with him. That was the plan when he was going to join the inquisition at least.
Also, I said several times that Thrask and Evangeline we're still good templars. Don't put words in my mouth.
Hm, fair point. Except I'm pretty sure he was taking the loyal templars with him. That was the plan when he was going to join the inquisition at least.
Also, I said several times that Thrask and Evangeline we're still good templars. Don't put words in my mouth.
So, if he was going to be hypothetically alive in a mage-siding playthrough, where would he have been after not joining the Inquisition for the whole game?
We need a poll before we make it official.. I think we should go with either Barristers or Barristas.
So everyone just post which your in favor of and I can tally the votes tomorrow. And we'll put the new name in the thread title !
I'll start, I vote Barristers.
Personally, I kind of like SerBarris...
(Although it may be because the Illusive Man is currently holding me at gunpoint?)
Personally, I kind of like SerBarris...
(Although it may be because the Illusive Man is currently holding me at gunpoint?)
Heh, that's pretty clever.
So, if he was going to be hypothetically alive in a mage-siding playthrough, where would he have been after not joining the Inquisition for the whole game?
Well since the rest of the order pretty much doesn't exist. I imagined he either layed low. Or did the same things he did in the war table operations. Just not as part of the inquisition. Then I imagine he joined back up with the Templar Order, assuming they were recreated.
Honestly, it's entirely possible for him to have been there and still survived. Considering how much Bioware likes to retcon character deaths.
I'm honestly not sure. But I imagine you have to make them allies. Yes,
I think you need to make the templars allies.
If you choose to disband the order, Barris becomes an agent and cannot be promoted since the Templar order no longer exists, but is now part of the Inquisition.
Well since the rest of the order pretty much doesn't exist. I imagined he either layed low. Or did the same things he did in the war table operations. Just not as part of the inquisition. Then I imagine he joined back up with the Templar Order, assuming they were recreated.
Honestly, it's entirely possible for him to have been there and still survived. Considering how much Bioware likes to retcon character deaths.
I could see him joining the reformed Seekers of Truth, provided Cassandra went through with that idea.
Well since the rest of the order pretty much doesn't exist. I imagined he either layed low. Or did the same things he did in the war table operations. Just not as part of the inquisition. Then I imagine he joined back up with the Templar Order, assuming they were recreated.
Honestly, it's entirely possible for him to have been there and still survived. Considering how much Bioware likes to retcon character deaths.
I highly doubt Barris is going to come back considering he only becomes relevant if you side with the Templars and he can be killed so he is less likely to have anything more than a cameo. Also, considering how a majority of players will no doubt side with the mages, less people will know who he is. Also, I recall you saying he was on a list to be purged by the red templars. Considering how the Inquisitor isn't there if you side with the mages, he likely died. Sorry, but considering the various conditions needed for his survival, I'm guessing he isn't coming back in future games.
Well since the rest of the order pretty much doesn't exist. I imagined he either layed low. Or did the same things he did in the war table operations. Just not as part of the inquisition. Then I imagine he joined back up with the Templar Order, assuming they were recreated.
Honestly, it's entirely possible for him to have been there and still survived. Considering how much Bioware likes to retcon character deaths.
This is how I'd have preferred it, as I was expecting to see him show up again but was sadly denied that in my pro-Mage playthrough, since he seemed like a decent guy and the kind of Templar that I'd have liked to have pinched over to my side, like we had already with people like Cullen and Lysette.
Actually what confused me the most was what actually happened to the Templars after you closed the Breach with the Mages? I assumed they were disbanded (although I don't know why they'd listen to the Inquisition and follow through with this) but that whole plot point seemed to be a little bit glossed over what with the whole attack on Haven?
I highly doubt Barris is going to come back considering he only becomes relevant if you side with the Templars and he can be killed so he is less likely to have anything more than a cameo. Also, considering how a majority of players will no doubt side with the mages, less people will know who he is. Also, I recall you saying he was on a list to be purged by the red templars. Considering how the Inquisitor isn't there if you side with the mages, he likely died. Sorry, but considering the various conditions needed for his survival, I'm guessing he isn't coming back in future games.
A fair enough opinion. But I'm going to respectfully disagree. If people like him, Bioware will find a way to bring him back. Anders could of died in several different ways as well. And he came back.
Also, don't assume most people are going to side with the mages. This place is not a good gauge on what the majority are going to do. Especially considering how bad the mages screw themselves in this game.
This is how I'd have preferred it, as I was expecting to see him show up again but was sadly denied that in my pro-Mage playthrough, since he seemed like a decent guy and the kind of Templar that I'd have liked to have pinched over to my side, like we had already with people like Cullen and Lysette.
Actually what confused me the most was what actually happened to the Templars after you closed the Breach with the Mages? I assumed they were disbanded (although I don't know why they'd listen to the Inquisition and follow through with this) but that whole plot point seemed to be a little bit glossed over what with the whole attack on Haven?
Well, it's hard for there to be an order when all the members are ravenous monsters. So I'm pretty sure that makes them disbanded.
Can anyone tell me if the missions to send Barris out are tied to allying rather than conscripting? I want to utilize him and give him his props and all, but I'm not all that interested in allying the Templars as much as integrating them.
Well since the rest of the order pretty much doesn't exist. I imagined he either layed low. Or did the same things he did in the war table operations. Just not as part of the inquisition. Then I imagine he joined back up with the Templar Order, assuming they were recreated.
Honestly, it's entirely possible for him to have been there and still survived. Considering how much Bioware likes to retcon character deaths.
And what role would he play in northern Thedas that couldn't be filled by, well, any other honorable warrior? The only one I can think of is if he somehow becomes a templar trainer for PC warriors, though it still doesn't explain how he survived Therinfal, or why he'd be wandering alone up there if he was running the templars back down south.
And what role would he play in northern Thedas that couldn't be filled by, well, any other honorable warrior? The only one I can think of is if he somehow becomes a templar trainer for PC warriors, though it still doesn't explain how he survived Therinfal, or why he'd be wandering alone up there if he was running the templars back down south.
Whose to say ? I think he's alive. I think he'll appear in the next game. But that's really just me being hopeful What his purpose could be is impossible to say.
We'll just have to see what happens.
Whose to say ? I think he's alive. I think he'll appear in the next game. But that's really just me being hopeful What his purpose could be is impossible to say.
We'll just have to see what happens.
You truly think he's alive, instead of just hoping for it? Why so?
Can anyone tell me if the missions to send Barris out are tied to allying rather than conscripting? I want to utilize him and give him his props and all, but I'm not all that interested in allying the Templars as much as integrating them.
I'm not sure to be honest, I got those missions right after allying with them. So if they aren't there then I assume you have to ally with them to get the missions.
You truly think he's alive, instead of just hoping for it? Why so?
I edited it, that's pretty much wishful thinking. No evidence for it really. 
I edited it, that's pretty much wishful thinking. No evidence for it really.
All right.
Do you wish, on another note, to try that thing I PMed you about?
This is how I'd have preferred it, as I was expecting to see him show up again but was sadly denied that in my pro-Mage playthrough, since he seemed like a decent guy and the kind of Templar that I'd have liked to have pinched over to my side, like we had already with people like Cullen and Lysette.
Actually what confused me the most was what actually happened to the Templars after you closed the Breach with the Mages? I assumed they were disbanded (although I don't know why they'd listen to the Inquisition and follow through with this) but that whole plot point seemed to be a little bit glossed over what with the whole attack on Haven?
If you sided with the mages, the Inquisitor isn't there to stop the red lyrium so all templars become red templars. Those that refused were likely killed. Likewise, the rebel mages are brainwashed into becoming venatori if you side with the templars. Thus, both sides are on the path to becoming mooks but you choice decides which side is saved
All right.
Do you wish, on another note, to try that thing I PMed you about?
Oh yeah, sorry. I completely forgot about it.
Theirs some war table missions Involving Barris leading some missions. You need to do those before you can promote him.
I don't think you get them if you disband/conscript the Templars. He just becomes an agent for Cullen.
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