I conscripted the templars and I had the war table missions to promote him.Can anyone tell me if the missions to send Barris out are tied to allying rather than conscripting? I want to utilize him and give him his props and all, but I'm not all that interested in allying the Templars as much as integrating them.
Actually the "Promoting Ser Barris" scene is quite magnificent.
I vote Barristers. It just sounds right.
I was pleased to see how much this thread had grown so quickly until I saw all the mage/templar arguments. 
This thread is dedicated to the awesomeness of Ser Delrin Barris. Nothing else matters.
That is all.
Yay stats from Xili's ass.
Do tell me where you got that from? You know if not your ass.
Considering that devs confirmed that more than 2/3'ds of all players of the previous games sided with the mages, it is highly doubtful that many people would suddenly switch over to the templars. Also, considering how the templars and mages are introduced in the game with the templars being all "We are more important than you, we hate mages and the inquisition is worthless" while the mages has Fiona politely ask you to visit Redcliffe for a potential alliance makes quite a first impression. Since most people likely aren't as hard-core about tevinter, mages and abominations, or have the murder boner against Fiona, it is likely that most will side with mages yet again. Templar supporters have always been a vocal minority and I doubt that is going to change much.
Considering that devs confirmed that more than 2/3'ds of all players of the previous games sided with the mages, it is highly doubtful that many people would suddenly switch over to the templars. Also, considering how the templars and mages are introduced in the game with the templars being all "We are more important than you, we hate mages and the inquisition is worthless" while the mages has Fiona politely ask you to visit Redcliffe for a potential alliance makes quite a first impression. Since most people likely aren't as hard-core about tevinter, mages and abominations, or have the murder boner against Fiona, it is likely that most will side with mages yet again. Templar supporters have always been a vocal minority and I doubt that is going to change much.
Where was that confirmed?
But if it's true fair enough. (They really did the templars a disservice by having their quest simply on the war table without an introduction quest like the mages get really.)
That said we don't know the stats for this game (though I'm interested in seeing them. But I suspect they'll favor the mages simply because a lot of people apparently don't read what they're picking on the war table and the mages get the benefit of the game beating you over the head with "go to redcliffe now.")
Considering that devs confirmed that more than 2/3'ds of all players of the previous games sided with the mages, it is highly doubtful that many people would suddenly switch over to the templars. Also, considering how the templars and mages are introduced in the game with the templars being all "We are more important than you, we hate mages and the inquisition is worthless" while the mages has Fiona politely ask you to visit Redcliffe for a potential alliance makes quite a first impression. Since most people likely aren't as hard-core about tevinter, mages and abominations, or have the murder boner against Fiona, it is likely that most will side with mages yet again. Templar supporters have always been a vocal minority and I doubt that is going to change much.
That's one templar who says that though, Barris shows clear intentions of wanting to join in Val.
Where was that confirmed?
But if it's true fair enough. (They really did the templars a disservice by having their quest simply on the war table without an introduction quest like the mages get really.)
That said we don't know the stats for this game (though I'm interested in seeing them. But I suspect they'll favor the mages simply because a lot of people apparently don't read what they're picking on the war table and the mages get the benefit of the game beating you over the head with "go to redcliffe now.")
I think it would have been nice if we got a scene or two before the quest for the templars. Perhaps you know ser barris saving a mage from a lynching mob.
Though I think that both mages and templars should have a quest or two after recuriting them.
I think it's that plus a combination of people wanting to play the hero. If you're a casual then you probably won't be inclined to look past the surface, all you probably know is that these people are fighting for "freedom" and in a lot of people's minds that automatically translates to "good". It was a problem that plagued Mass Effect as well and one that I think will continue especially if there are scenes like the one with Lucius which isn't really indicative of what the Templars actually are.Where was that confirmed?
But if it's true fair enough. (They really did the templars a disservice by having their quest simply on the war table without an introduction quest like the mages get really.)
That said we don't know the stats for this game (though I'm interested in seeing them. But I suspect they'll favor the mages simply because a lot of people apparently don't read what they're picking on the war table and the mages get the benefit of the game beating you over the head with "go to redcliffe now.")
That's one templar who says that though, Barris shows clear intentions of wanting to join in Val.
They really should've expanded on this especially since he's Cullen's contact. Have him meet up with you in secret and express his concerns about the lord seeker have him bring up some templars are simply missing and he's not sure what to do then have him walk off.
They really should've expanded on this especially since he's Cullen's contact. Have him meet up with you in secret and express his concerns about the lord seeker have him bring up some templars are simply missing and he's not sure what to do then have him walk off.
I agree, sadly most people who only did the mage quest will never get the clear picture.
I agree, sadly most people who only did the mage quest will never get the clear picture.
Yep sadly.
Also most making a decision isn't automatically sensible. I still can't believe so many people cured the genophage with Wreav in charge. That's just daft.
(They really did the templars a disservice by having their quest simply on the war table without an introduction quest like the mages get really.)
Yeah, that is my only real gripe with the mission.
Mages: "We invited a hostile foreign nation to march in like they own the place, and now we're kind of enslaved to a guy who's obsessed with you in a very bad way. Oh, and time travel."
Templars: "We disappear to do our own, no doubt dubious but unknown crap after telling you that you are clearly beneath our notice."
Both are a problem that needs to be dealt with to end the war, but the mage issue feels so much more personal and immediate that I really dithered on the choice and worried that I'd feel let down. There's also the issue of Felix and Dorian being two sympathetic characters I wanted to see more of, while our "key" to the templars is impersonal noble-ass-kissing.
Thankfully, I ended up not feeling let down at all, but you wouldn't know it from the setup.
I will always believe that intro to the Templar's got the shaft in the Intro to their alliances. The mages had this whole freaking set up with foreign powers in Fereldan and a mage using the rifts for something sinister. But the Templars punch out a mother, tell you you ain't shyt then walk out. The Templars give us no good reason to seek them out. They could have sent a messenger to Haven or something to info dumb the possible danger the Templars are facing. or something.
Yep sadly.
Also most making a decision isn't automatically sensible. I still can't believe so many people cured the genophage with Wreav in charge. That's just daft.
I'll admit I was one of those, but I just wanted to see if Bioware would softball it by the end.
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Doesn't matter if more people sided with the mages. The templars got the better quest. And I say this as someone that can be regarded as pro-mage. Fiona was finally exposed as the idiot she's always been (indenturing your people to Tevinter extremists? Really Fiona??) therefore siding with the skirts wasn't that much of a stretch for my mage if only for a way to liberate his fellow mages from Fiona's bumbling clutches.
I will always believe that intro to the Templar's got the shaft in the Intro to their alliances. The mages had this whole freaking set up with foreign powers in Fereldan and a mage using the rifts for something sinister. But the Templars punch out a mother, tell you you ain't shyt then walk out. The Templars give us no good reason to seek them out. They could have sent a messenger to Haven or something to info dumb the possible danger the Templars are facing. or something.
THIS
The templar path is so much better too (IMO) I wish they gave me a better reason to see them first. The only way I justify it is that I take Cass's advice seriously that it could be a trap. And as a mage that sees a need for some sort of circle system, I could be seen as an enemy.
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So, does Barris or another templar hang around Skyhold like Fiona does, or no? I've been trying to find him, but it sounds like he is out in the field from your comments here.
Yeah, Barris doesn't rest on his laurels and complain about how oppressed he is by the Chantry. He goes out and hunts demons and protects maglings from angry mobs like a Templar is supposed to.
I wanna kill that idiot Orlesian noble man that keeps mocking Barris.
I wanna kill that idiot Orlesian noble man that keeps mocking Barris.
Don't worry about him 
I wanna kill that idiot Orlesian noble man that keeps mocking Barris.
Well you can....but the better choice is to keep him alive and do a cultural exchange between him and an Avarr chief.
Don't worry about him
Oh. Whoops, never mind! I feel much better now.
The scene of Barris rallying the Templars just before they bring down that magical barrier is one of my favorite moments in DA:I. Also, his promotion was truly grand.
I think Bioware intended Cullen and Lysette to introduce the player to the whole concept of what the Templars are, though I'm not sure how well that worked out considering that mages get a whole quest to serve as introduction to their faction.
THIS
The templar path is so much better too (IMO) I wish they gave me a better reason to see them first. The only way I justify it is that I take Cass's advice seriously that it could be a trap. And as a mage that sees a need for some sort of circle system, I could be seen as an enemy.
Playing as a human warrior, I justified it by
1) Trusting the two "experts" on the team (Cassandra and Cullen) when they warned against going to Redcliffe. We didn't have enough magical or anti-magical backup for that mess.
2) Hoping that my family's background as well-known devout believers with strong ties to both Chantry and templars would help me get some traction with reasonable members of the order. It's unfortunate that there's no line about that in the game.
3) Resolving to immediately grab some of the templars and head for Redcliffe to kick Alexius' ass and free the mages. Honestly, why can't we DO that? The Breach is the big threat, yes, but it's stable and not going anywhere for the immediate moment. Neither can be said for the Redcliffe debacle.
Not that I'd expect #3 to actually work out. Alexius would get word of the new alliance and certainly suspect us to have a go at him, especially if we were stupid enough to march in force instead of going a sneak-attack strike team. But it would have kicked ass if we could have tried to resolve both situations.
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