We finally know what happens to Barris if the Inquisitor go with the mages, he dies at Therinfal fighting the red temlplars. Unlike a certain mage leader, Ser Barris would never submit to Corypheus.
And you can have the templars conscripted and Ser Barris promoted in the Keep, so one more proof that its bugged and you should be able to do his war table mission if you conscript the templars.
I have a doubt in regards to the events in Therinfal Redoubt during the templar quest (Champions of the Just).
Who leads the red templars against Ser Barris and the remaining good templars? Is it the Envy demon, disguised as Lord Seeker Lucius?
Then why does Samson show up as Corypheus's general in another gameplay, when you side with the mages, if he never lead the Red Templars anywhere? Shouldn't it be the Lord Seeker/Envy demon that shows up leading the templar forces instead?
Thanks for anyone that can help clarify this. This question has really been burning in my mind for quite some time, now.
Envy is the boss at Therinfal, he is responsible for corrupting the templars, but Samson is the leader of the red templars. Samson even sent a letter to Envy with instructions.I have a doubt in regards to the events in Therinfal Redoubt during the templar quest (Champions of the Just).
Who leads the red templars against Ser Barris and the remaining good templars? Is it the Envy demon, disguised as Lord Seeker Lucius?
Then why does Samson show up as Corypheus's general in another gameplay, when you side with the mages, if he never lead the Red Templars anywhere? Shouldn't it be the Lord Seeker/Envy demon that shows up leading the templar forces instead?
Thanks for anyone that can help clarify this. This question has really been burning in my mind for quite some time, now.
I have a doubt in regards to the events in Therinfal Redoubt during the templar quest (Champions of the Just).
Who leads the red templars against Ser Barris and the remaining good templars? Is it the Envy demon, disguised as Lord Seeker Lucius?
Then why does Samson show up as Corypheus's general in another gameplay, when you side with the mages, if he never lead the Red Templars anywhere? Shouldn't it be the Lord Seeker/Envy demon that shows up leading the templar forces instead?
Thanks for anyone that can help clarify this. This question has really been burning in my mind for quite some time, now.
There's no good answer as to where Samson goes in that playthrough or Calpernia goes if you play In Hushed Whispers.
Envy is the boss at Therinfal, he is responsible for corrupting the templars, but Samson is the leader of the red templars. Samson even sent a letter to Envy with instructions.
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Thank you very much, friend! 
This letter has answered a few questions I had related to Samson's character as well.
Envy is the boss at Therinfal, he is responsible for corrupting the templars, but Samson is the leader of the red templars. Samson even sent a letter to Envy with instructions.
Spoiler
"These are your people now, 'Lord Seeker'. Be a better master to them than the Chantry. If I hear differently, you'll answer to the one we both serve."
God, what a clown.
OP is wrong, his name is Knight Commander Barris
No, his name was Robert Paulson. 
I don't dislike Fiona like some. But she is a pretty weak leader. She didn't know what the hell she was doing. So she just handed her people off to a Tevinter Magister....really ?
Desperation can make you make bad decisions, especially when someone exploits his knowledge of the future to preemptively block you from making good ones.
There's no good answer as to where Samson goes in that playthrough or Calpernia goes if you play In Hushed Whispers.
"These are your people now, 'Lord Seeker'. Be a better master to them than the Chantry. If I hear differently, you'll answer to the one we both serve."
God, what a clown.
Seriously. That's such a colossal "divide by zero" bullsh*t pile that I'm surprised his head didn't implode as he wrote this. I don't even know who Samson is, aside from the Calperia-equivalent for people who ally with the mages, but this is so inane that I don't feel I'm missing anything by not knowing.
Mind, Calpernia isn't really much better. Freedom from slavery! ... by worshipping a wannabe-god who gutted thousands of slaves once already in his egotistical lust for power, and who again intends to make everyone serve him "by dying in the right way" as per Envy's words. Even if she feels she owes him for freeing her, she should be smart enough to see how 1) other people are abused by him and his lackeys and 2) she was only freed because she was a special magic snowflake. Oh yeah, not to mention all the suffering SHE has helped cause in her Tevinter supremacist cult.
I spared her the first time, but if I ever replay the game, I'll kill her with as little hesitation as I killed Fiona.
Though it would also be better if Ser Barris survived even if the Mages were recruited...
The only way he'd come out of that alive is if he was Red.
The only way he'd come out of that alive is if he was Red.
Imagine if we had to fight Red Templar Barris.
Also, it should be telling that people like Barris are the exceptions rather than the norm. Doesn't speak highly of the templars.
Imagine if we had to fight Red Templar Barris.
Also, it should be telling that people like Barris are the exceptions rather than the norm. Doesn't speak highly of the templars.
he'd have probably been a bigger challenge than the dementia suffering geriatric that is Fiona
It's telling that people like Grace/Anders/Adrian/Fiona/Uldred/Orsino are norm, doesn't speak highly of the mages, see I can play this game too
he'd have probably been a bigger challenge than the dementia suffering geriatric that is Fiona
It's telling that people like Grace/Anders/Adrian/Fiona/Uldred/Orsino are norm, doesn't speak highly of the mages, see I can play this game too
That's not actually a parallel to what thesuperdarkone said. Also, I find it unlikely; he'd probably be a Knight, and their fire weakness means that any mage with Inferno can wipe them out pretty easily, given Inferno's generously low cooldown times. I'm also reasonably sure Fiona doesn't have dementia.
If you're wondering why Barris isn't that well-known, justl ook at this:
Templar/Mage Conflict: http://www.strawpoll.me/3269053
That's not actually a parallel to what thesuperdarkone said. Also, I find it unlikely; he'd probably be a Knight, and their fire weakness means that any mage with Inferno can wipe them out pretty easily, given Inferno's generously low cooldown times. I'm also reasonably sure Fiona doesn't have dementia.
you are already putting more thought into this than I did (and yes Inferno is awesome, especially when paired with KE)
I was referencing Vivienne's jab at her
If you're wondering why Barris isn't that well-known, justl ook at this:
Templar/Mage Conflict: http://www.strawpoll.me/3269053
do I even need to explain why this isn't an accurate representation of all players?
That's not actually a parallel to what thesuperdarkone said. Also, I find it unlikely; he'd probably be a Knight, and their fire weakness means that any mage with Inferno can wipe them out pretty easily, given Inferno's generously low cooldown times. I'm also reasonably sure Fiona doesn't have dementia.
Don't forget how Cole outright says that not all Templars are bad but that the bad templars intimidated the good ones into not doing anything. That means that good templars are a minority and that they can't do anything because the majority of templars don't agree with them.
Don't forget how Cole outright says that not all Templars are bad but that the bad templars intimidated the good ones into not doing anything. That means that good templars are a minority and that they can't do anything because the majority of templars don't agree with them.
I could say the same of the Mages
I could say the same of the Mages
Well, it is true that the evil Venatori mages intimidated the rebellion into serving them, I admit.
Well, it is true that the evil Venatori mages intimidated the rebellion into serving them, I admit.
those who didn't welcome them with open arms
those who didn't welcome them with open arms
Which would be... one person, judging by the conversations in Redcliffe? Even if we take that amount as proportional, compared to all the other mages we talk to in Redcliffe, it's one out of five.
Which would be... one person, judging by the conversations in Redcliffe? Even if we take that amount as proportional, compared to all the other mages we talk to in Redcliffe, it's one out of five.
yet clearly this "majority" of mages didn't fight the Venatori if the templars were conscripted, or else there'd not have been an army to attack Haven with
yet clearly this "majority" of mages didn't fight the Venatori if the templars were conscripted, or else there'd not have been an army to attack Haven with
Most of the Venatori aren't mages. And since the Venatori don't even lose that many people in In Hushed Whispers, I think the reason they don't attack Haven in that path is not due to a lack of numbers, but because the red templars are simply a better army (while the Venatori specialize in magic and espionage).
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