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[Korva]

Yes, Barris' leadership role does not come out of nowhere. He's set up for it pretty much from the word go by expressing unease and wanting explanations, and once we reach the Great Hall where most of his fellows are dug in, he takes charge without missing a beat. Even the veterans are apparently fine with it ... though that may be in part because it would have kinda broken the "flow" of the story to introduce a new leader from among them at that point).

[Catche Jagger]

Yes, Barris' leadership role does not come out of nowhere. He's set up for it pretty much from the word go by expressing unease and wanting explanations, and once we reach the Great Hall where most of his fellows are dug in, he takes charge without missing a beat. Even the veterans are apparently fine with it ... though that may be in part because it would have kinda broken the "flow" of the story to introduce a new leader from among them at that point).

Well, if it would have been an issue, couldn't they have given us someone more qualified to begin with?

[BloodKaiden]

Oh Ser Barris, is this chemistry I'm sensing...

 

Spoiler

[Boost32]

Well, if it would have been an issue, couldn't they have given us someone more qualified to begin with?

No one is more qualified than Barris.
Just watch this and see his qualifications: https://account.xbox...76-e00e7fe465df

[Korva]

Well, if it would have been an issue, couldn't they have given us someone more qualified to begin with?

 

Good point. I suppose those veterans who had experience but high rank were content to serve that way and didn't seek leadership roles. Plus, Barris' plan was an obviously sensible approach ... and the middle of a fight with lyrium-twisted monstrosities commanded by a rare and powerful demon is really not the time for bickering over who's boss.

[Xilizhra]

No one is more qualified than Barris.
Just watch this and see his qualifications: https://account.xbox...76-e00e7fe465df

I suppose it's something of a tragedy that he didn't join the Inquisition when the time was right. His allegiance to the Order ended in a wasteful death.

[Boost32]

I suppose it's something of a tragedy that he didn't join the Inquisition when the time was right. His allegiance to the Order ended in a wasteful death.

Ser Barris is no coward like Cullen, who supported Lambert and act all rightheous.
And in my playthrough he is not only alive, but he is a Knight-Comander.

[Xilizhra]

Ser Barris is no coward like Cullen, who supported Lambert and act all rightheous.
And in my playthrough he is not only alive, but he is a Knight-Comander.

Er, Cullen didn't support Lambert. What is this about?

[AresKeith]

Oh Ser Barris, is this chemistry I'm sensing...

 

Spoiler

 

They look like twins from this angle

 

#Lannister

[Steelcan]

They look like twins from this angle

 

#Lannister

#that'scute

#Targaryen

[Boost32]

Er, Cullen didn't support Lambert. What is this about?

In Asunder, Lambert summoned every Knight-Commander and they all agreed to leave the Chantry to pursuemthe mages, at the time Cullen was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

In Asunder, Lambert summoned every Knight-Commander and they all agreed to leave the Chantry to pursuemthe mages, at the time Cullen was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall.

There's no evidence that I can see that Cullen ever held that position. He doesn't bring it up in conversation, and it'd be highly out of character for him to side with Lambert, especially since he left the Order altogether at the first opportunity.

 

Barris' loyalties were still wasted. I admit, I might have been willing to do Champions of the Just and conscript the templars, if I could do In Hushed Whispers thereafter.

[Boost32]

There's no evidence that I can see that Cullen ever held that position. He doesn't bring it up in conversation, and it'd be highly out of character for him to side with Lambert, especially since he left the Order altogether at the first opportunity.
 

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=tGklOdwK7iY

[Xilizhra]

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=tGklOdwK7iY

Probably a writing flub/error in-universe on the speaker's part. It would have been mentioned otherwise. In any case, it still doesn't say when he became knight-commander, or if he ever supported Lambert.

[Boost32]

Probably a writing flub/error in-universe on the speaker's part. It would have been mentioned otherwise. In any case, it still doesn't say when he became knight-commander, or if he ever supported Lambert.

He was promoted after he helped stabilize Kirkwall, so he has to be one of the Knight-Commander, everyone of them met with Lambert and they all agreed.

[Steelcan]

he likely resigned his post before Lambert called all the Knight-Commanders together

[Xilizhra]

He was promoted after he helped stabilize Kirkwall, so he has to be one of the Knight-Commander, everyone of them met with Lambert and they all agreed.

Evidence for this seems to be extremely shaky, given that he was against the war to begin with... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was replaced in Kirkwall for that reason.

 

Either way, Barris should have left the templars while the leaving was good. I would have taken him in had he made the first step.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Somewhat off-topic.

 

Does anyone know the scale of the mage rebellion? Was the fighting mostly contained to Ferelden and Orlais, or did all the white chantry nations see major fighting?

[Steelcan]

Somewhat off-topic.

 

Does anyone know the scale of the mage rebellion? Was the fighting mostly contained to Ferelden and Orlais, or did all the white chantry nations see major fighting?

well its a bit of an issue, not all mages joined the rebellion, some then splintered off from the rebellion, not all are in Ferelden with the main group of the Rebellion

 

but I wouldn't put their numbers any higher than a few thousand by the start of DA:I

[Xilizhra]

Somewhat off-topic.

 

Does anyone know the scale of the mage rebellion? Was the fighting mostly contained to Ferelden and Orlais, or did all the white chantry nations see major fighting?

Cullen conveniently handwaves it with "Impossible to say." I think it was mostly contained to Ferelden and Orlais, with most combatants from further north drifting south.

[Boost32]

he likely resigned his post before Lambert called all the Knight-Commanders together

He resigned after Cassandra invited him, at that time the war was already declared.

Evidence for this seems to be extremely shaky, given that he was against the war to begin with... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was replaced in Kirkwall for that reason.

Either way, Barris should have left the templars while the leaving was good. I would have taken him in had he made the first step.

He wasnt replaced, he left on his own. Cullen is a mess, the red templars corrupted Kirkwall's templars on his watch, I would never trust him.

And Barris was Cullen's contact inside the Order, he was trying to convince his superiors to fight the Breach and was spreading dissent to force his superiors, he died trying to do good (in your world ofc).

[Steelcan]

meh, whatever, not the first time DA has had egregious timeline issues

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Cullen conveniently handwaves it with "Impossible to say." I think it was mostly contained to Ferelden and Orlais, with most combatants from further north drifting south.

 

That's what I imagined as well, that the fighting was most heavy in Orlais/Ferelden as that was were most of the rebels went.

 

I am asking because I have gotten to a part in the fic I am writing where a knight-captain is describing the rebellion.

 

Which leads me to my next question.

 

So we know that Lucius takes over two years before DA:I. Do we know when he decided to join up with Cory? When he allowed Envy to copycat him? Was it Lucius or Envy that agreed to the conclave and if so, did they agree to it believing it was a trap and Corypheus would kill all the participants after ascending?

[Xilizhra]

He wasnt replaced, he left on his own. Cullen is a mess, the red templars corrupted Kirkwall's templars on his watch, I would never trust him.

And Barris was Cullen's contact inside the Order, he was trying to convince his superiors to fight the Breach and was spreading dissent to force his superiors, he died trying to do good (in your world ofc).

His failure was in maintaining his allegiance to a corrupt and failing body. He had three years to leave after the declaration of war, and never did.

 

 

That's what I imagined as well, that the fighting was most heavy in Orlais/Ferelden as that was were most of the rebels went.

 

I am asking because I have gotten to a part in the fic I am writing where a knight-captain is describing the rebellion.

 

Which leads me to my next question.

 

So we know that Lucius takes over two years before DA:I. Do we know when he decided to join up with Cory? When he allowed Envy to copycat him? Was it Lucius or Envy that agreed to the conclave and if so, did they agree to it believing it was a trap and Corypheus would kill all the participants after ascending?

For the former, I think it'd be almost immediately after Lucius ascended, because that was when he read the Seekers' book of secrets and snapped. I think the envy demon was a relatively recent participant; it only entered the fold when Lucius set up his trap for the Seekers, and I think that must have been after the Conclave, because the mysterious disappearance of all the Seekers before it would have attracted notice as a separate event.

[Boost32]

His failure was in maintaining his allegiance to a corrupt and failing body. He had three years to leave after the declaration of war, and never did.

Asunder ends in 9:40, so how its 3 years? And Ser Barris was only doing his duty, hunting apostates, those who remained with Vivienne were unharmed.