Asunder ends in 9:40, so how its 3 years? And Ser Barris was only doing his duty, hunting apostates, those who remained with Vivienne were unharmed.
One year, then. Still a while. And the trouble is that not only are the templars betraying the Chantry, but their "duty" is itself unjust.
One year, then. Still a while. And the trouble is that not only are the templars betraying the Chantry, but their "duty" is itself unjust.
do we really want to rehash this argument again?
do we really want to rehash this argument again?
Hey, did they ever mention how old Barris is?
Hey, did they ever mention how old Barris is?
Ask the common folk if their duty is unjust, they are revered for a reason.One year, then. Still a while. And the trouble is that not only are the templars betraying the Chantry, but their "duty" is itself unjust.
Ask the common folk if their duty is unjust, they are revered for a reason.
Well, what the common folk will remember is how the mage rebellion stood as steadfast allies with the Inquisition, while the Templar Order joined Corypheus and ravaged Ferelden and Orlais before finally being put down. I daresay popular resistance to Leliana's reforms will not be too difficult to overcome.
Well, what the common folk will remember is how the mage rebellion stood as steadfast allies with the Inquisition, while the Templar Order joined Corypheus and ravaged Ferelden and Orlais before finally being put down. I daresay popular resistance to Leliana's reforms will not be too difficult to overcome.
Well, what the common folk will remember is how the templar order stood as steadfast allies with the inquisition, while the mage rebellion joined Corypheus and ravaged Ferelden and Orlais before finally being put down. I daresay popular resistance to Cassandra's reforms will not be too difficult to overcome.
Well, what the common folk will remember is how the templar order stood as steadfast allies with the inquisition, while the mage rebellion joined Corypheus and ravaged Ferelden and Orlais before finally being put down. I daresay popular resistance to Cassandra's reforms will not be too difficult to overcome.
A statement both uncreative and nonsensical, given that Cassandra's reforms are just for a slightly better status quo and don't involve the lack of a previously constant armed force.
Your post was done in response to Boosts32's question about how the common folk percieved the templar order, using the events in DA:I as a counter. My post was simply pointing out that using the player choice there is meaningless since it could just as easily be turned into showing that the templars were right.
Tell it to the people in Redcliff and the monarch(s) of Ferelden.Well, what the common folk will remember is how the mage rebellion stood as steadfast allies with the Inquisition, while the Templar Order joined Corypheus and ravaged Ferelden and Orlais before finally being put down. I daresay popular resistance to Leliana's reforms will not be too difficult to overcome.
Tell it to the people in Redcliff and the monarch(s) of Ferelden.
And it happened in your playthrough, dont state it like a fact.
Pot, meet kettle
Your post was done in response to Boosts32's question about how the common folk percieved the templar order, using the events in DA:I as a counter. My post was simply pointing out that using the player choice there is meaningless since it could just as easily be turned into showing that the templars were right.
My point was that the Order being revered is by no means a given (in any case, Cullen says in DA2 that regular people are turning against the templars).
Tell it to the people in Redcliff and the monarch(s) of Ferelden.
The people of Redcliffe are neutral to pro-mage, judging by the ambient dialogue.
The people of Redcliffe are neutral to pro-mage, judging by the ambient dialogue.
You mean like the ambient dialog where the man is telling his mother he might be a mage and she refuses to accept that he could be tainted so? Yes, very pro-mage, there.
You mean like the ambient dialog where the man is telling his mother he might be a mage and she refuses to accept that he could be tainted so? Yes, very pro-mage, there.
That's the "neutral" part of the spectrum; her political opinion is "let them kill each other." Also, she's not worried because he's "tainted," but rather because she's afraid he'd get killed.
The people who where thrown away from their houses, the one forced to leave Redcliff. I doubt they are neutral.My point was that the Order being revered is by no means a given (in any case, Cullen says in DA2 that regular people are turning against the templars).
The people of Redcliffe are neutral to pro-mage, judging by the ambient dialogue.
The people who where thrown away from their houses, the one forced to leave Redcliff. I doubt they are neutral.
And have you ever recruited the templars? Leliana says "people trust the templars, now they trust US", and if words alone will not convince you, Barris stop a mage from being lynched by just showing up, the people had respect for the templars and let them take care of the mage.
I think the only people who were thrown out were from the castle. Teagan was somewhat annoyed, but smoothing him over is easy enough.
As for the templars, well, thank you for clarifying that Barris' feat had nothing to do with him personally, just his armor. But the Inquisition doesn't really gain any trust bonuses that I can see from adding the templars, so I have no issue there.
One year, then. Still a while. And the trouble is that not only are the templars betraying the Chantry, but their "duty" is itself unjust.
The duty of the Templars is to be peacekeepers. To protect people from magical abuses, to protect mages from fearful superstitious mobs, and to protect everyone from demons and those unfortunate enough to become abominations. These are ideals that predate their connection to the Chantry, from when they were part of the original Inquisition.
That Ser Barras strives to maintain the ideals of the Templar Order, even as the Order itself collapses all around him is, I think a very admirable trait.
Havent you talked to the sister in Redcliff? She tells you that Alexius is throwing no mages out of Redcliff.I think the only people who were thrown out were from the castle. Teagan was somewhat annoyed, but smoothing him over is easy enough.
As for the templars, well, thank you for clarifying that Barris' feat had nothing to do with him personally, just his armor. But the Inquisition doesn't really gain any trust bonuses that I can see from adding the templars, so I have no issue there.
I think the only people who were thrown out were from the castle. Teagan was somewhat annoyed, but smoothing him over is easy enough.
In what way is Teagan 'smoothed over'?
The duty of the Templars is to be peacekeepers. To protect people from magical abuses, to protect mages from fearful superstitious mobs, and to protect everyone from demons and those unfortunate enough to become abominations. These are ideals that predate their connection to the Chantry, from when they were part of the original Inquisition.
That Ser Barras strives to maintain the ideals of the Templar Order, even as the Order itself collapses all around him is, I think a very admirable trait.
Any hope of those ideals lasting died when the Order left the Chantry. I can't see it as admirable when he continues to follow an organization that openly plummeted into evil.
Havent you talked to the sister in Redcliff? She tells you that Alexius is throwing no mages out of Redcliff.
And it had everything to do with Barris, he volunteered to investigate and he standed between the mage and the mob. I really dont know why you are trying so hard to dismiss him.
I don't know why you're trying so hard to fete Barris as though he was some kind of demigod.
In what way is Teagan 'smoothed over'?
The Inquisition pays for collateral damage/loans workers for repairs.
If you never did the Templar side how do you want to discuss things you dont know? Have you ever seen e the war table missions for the templars? How they uphold their original mission?Any hope of those ideals lasting died when the Order left the Chantry. I can't see it as admirable when he continues to follow an organization that openly plummeted into evil.
I don't know why you're trying so hard to fete Barris as though he was some kind of demigod
That Ser Barras strives to maintain the ideals of the Templar Order, even as the Order itself collapses all around him is, I think a very admirable trait.
He supported that genocidal war the templars started a bit too long to find him admirable.
If you never did the Templar side how do you want to discuss things you dont know? Have you ever seen e the war table missions for the templars? How they uphold their original mission?
I have, in fact, seen them. The fact that the Inquisition is there to kill the bad ones and save the asses of the neutral ones doesn't mean that the decisions of the Order were valid.
I have, in fact, seen them. The fact that the Inquisition is there to kill the bad ones and save the asses of the neutral ones doesn't mean that the decisions of the Order were valid.
I'm not saying the Champions of the Just, I'm saying the war table where the templars fight against bad mages (even some blood mages who where part of the rebels) and protect the good ones.
I've seen those too, having looked them up while doing research. My answer hasn't changed.
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