Barris a mage hating zealot?I did on playthrough where I went with the templars, though after finishing it I reloaded to before I made the choice and went with the mages for the game. But anyway I was not impressed with Ser Barris. He was no different to me then the templar who killed his own brother for being a mage or the templars who killed that farmer because the "thought" he was mage.
You didn't answer my question, but presumably your enmity for these characters is so strong that making a proper response would be impossible. I guess an examination of the idiocy of extreme generalizations is not in the cards then.Funny you should use to of the mages I can't stand.
You didn't answer my question, but presumably your enmity for these characters is so strong that making a proper response would be impossible. I guess an examination of the idiocy of extreme generalizations is not in the cards then.
*le sigh*
I knew ever thing I needed to know about him after he followed the Lord Seeker after he had the Mother laid out.
I knew ever thing I needed to know about him after he followed the Lord Seeker after he had the Mother laid out.
So you judge everyone in the games entirely based on first impressions?
Did you happen to kill Zevran due to him trying to kill you? Wouldn't that be all you needed to know for you to assume he was untrustworthy?
Or how about the Werewolves? They were killing innocent Dalish. Surely that was all you needed to know for you to sink a sword into Witherfang's heart.
How about Shale, who is rather pleased to find that a whole village has been whipped out?
Fiona shows a good deal of incompetence when we deal with her in In Hushed Whispers. Does that make her a complete idiot?
Ignoring the majority of a character's story in order to justify your hatred is easy, but it does not make for a compelling argument.
It is hard to like someone who follows a wack job who when we first meet them, besides having an old woman sucker punched in the face, says plan as day they are going to slaughter all the mages and any who sympathize with them.
First, there is a bit of a logical gap in taking Barris not publicly undermining his CO as meaning that he wants to wipe out all Mages and mage sympathizers.It is hard to like someone who follows a wack job who when we first meet them, besides having an old woman sucker punched in the face, says plan as day they are going to slaughter all the mages and any who sympathize with them.
First, there is a bit of a logical gap in taking Barris not publicly undermining his CO as meaning that he wants to wipe out all Mages and mage sympathizers.
Second, there is evidence later in the game which explicitly contradicts what you are saying, but you continuously ignore this, saying it doesn't matter.
Then point out this contradiction. I don't remember hearing him saying that he disagrees with the whole killing every mage and all their sympathizers at any time. Really find me a video or the dialog where it says this, then I will reevaluate my position on Barris.
Then point out this contradiction. I don't remember hearing him saying that he disagrees with the whole killing every mage and all their sympathizers at any time. Really find me a video or the dialog where it says this, then I will reevaluate my position on Barris.
Oh, I don't know, the entire war table mission where he saves mages from a crowd intent on killing them all?
Oh, I don't know, the entire war table mission where he saves mages from a crowd intent on killing them all?
So only one thing. He saved one man, that he didn't know was a mage until after he saved him.
I took my time saving the templar-veterans and thought Barris could hold the Hall on his own, well that didn't go too well. Maker be with you Ser Barris, you gave your life for the order and it will not be forgotten.
He knew that the man was a mage, what he didn't know is whether the man was an abomination.So only one thing. He saved one man, that he didn't know was a mage until after he saved him.
He knew that the man was a mage, what he didn't know is whether the man was an abomination.
I read the quest. The way he reported to the Inquisitor it sounded like he had no idea the man was actually a mage.
I read the quest. The way he reported to the Inquisitor it sounded like he had no idea the man was actually a mage.
well then you read it wrong since its made clear very quickly that the man is a mage suspected of possession
well then you read it wrong since its made clear very quickly that the man is a mage suspected of possession
I reread it several more times and it still seems that he was not aware that the man accused of being an abomination was a mage until after he stepped in to save him. But I could be reading it wrong.
Okay let's hypothetically assume that Barris didn't know whether he was a mage. Where does it say that he only saved the mage because of that? His report indicates that he believed it a good thing he was able to save the mage from mob since the mage was not an abomination. I don't see how you can mentally hold that against him.I reread it several more times and it still seems that he was not aware that the man accused of being an abomination was a mage until after he stepped in to save him. But I could be reading it wrong.
I reread it several more times and it still seems that he was not aware that the man accused of being an abomination was a mage until after he stepped in to save him. But I could be reading it wrong.
you are told in the original mission brief that the man is a mage, then you assign Barris to it, there isn't much room for doubt
I reread it several more times and it still seems that he was not aware that the man accused of being an abomination was a mage until after he stepped in to save him. But I could be reading it wrong.
Baris i like him , i side with the templar and i saved him ^^ i m pround of my self
after siding with the Templars once, I will never go mage again, it was genuinely satisfying and making barris knight commander just felt right and was one of the best cut scenes in the game, and what brought the experience even better was the fact I was a human mage making that decision, mutual respect between so called enemies and that to me enhanced my roleplaying experience, that's what the inquisition is to me anyway, I never felt that with Fiona
after siding with the Templars once, I will never go mage again, it was genuinely satisfying and making barris knight commander just felt right and was one of the best cut scenes in the game, and what brought the experience even better was the fact I was a human mage making that decision, mutual respect between so called enemies and that to me enhanced my roleplaying experience, that's what the inquisition is to me anyway, I never felt that with Fiona
Is it really respect you've earned or is it grandstanding with the templar order who holds the power of life and death over mages? By siding with templars, you've vindicated the templars right to dominate and potentially abuse mages. Delrin Barris is a thoughtful and... dare I say... a decent man- but he is but a cog in the Templar Order and as they say, there are many "good men in service to bad causes".
Is it really respect you've earned or is it grandstanding with the templar order who holds the power of life and death over mages? By siding with templars, you've vindicated the templars right to dominate and potentially abuse mages. Delrin Barris is a thoughtful and... dare I say... a decent man- but he is but a cog in the Templar Order and as they say, there are many "good men in service to bad causes".
This is why Mage/Templar discussions will always be stupid
The original mission states that the man is presumed to be possessed. That was the assumption going into the mission. If Barris was so dead set on killing mages as you claim, then he would have allowed the man to be killed if he didn't simply kill the man himself.
Alright I will consed the point on the War Table Mission.
that would be the case if you actively picked a side to support morally, however there are no hints of that at the end of either mission.Is it really respect you've earned or is it grandstanding with the templar order who holds the power of life and death over mages? By siding with templars, you've vindicated the templars right to dominate and potentially abuse mages. Delrin Barris is a thoughtful and... dare I say... a decent man- but he is but a cog in the Templar Order and as they say, there are many "good men in service to bad causes".
This is why Mage/Templar discussions will always be stupid
What, disagreements?
that would be the case if you actively picked a side to support morally, however there are no hints of that at the end of either mission.
You don't tack on "death to mages!" After addressing the Templars
And yet a lot of people in the game (and some in the BSN) think you're giving allied Mages free reign to light people on fire or summon demons in blood rituals.
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