that's because of the nature of an alliance vs conscriptionAnd yet a lot of people in the game (and some in the BSN) think you're giving allied Mages free reign to light people on fire or summon demons in blood rituals.
And yet a lot of people in the game (and some in the BSN) think you're giving allied Mages free reign to light people on fire or summon demons in blood rituals.
Really? Almost everyone seems fine with allying with the mages, to my knowledge.
Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched, but would you be okay if Barris was ordered to kill an entire village or kill a child and he did it? "Just following orders" has been used to justify atrocities and never sits right with me.
Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched, but would you be okay if Barris was ordered to kill an entire village or kill a child and he did it? "Just following orders" has been used to justify atrocities and never sits right with me.
And making comparisons like that never sits right with me
And making comparisons like that never sits right with me
What, the invalidity of "just following orders?"
Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched, but would you be okay if Barris was ordered to kill an entire village or kill a child and he did it? "Just following orders" has been used to justify atrocities and never sits right with me.
False equivalence. Barris standing down after being told that the cleric, who attempted to stir up a lynch mob, had no authority over him is incomparable to him being ordered to massacre a village. Nevermind that the scenario is out of character for him especially after Denam tried to have him killed for not being an unquestioning drone.
Thank you.Alright I will consed the point on the War Table Mission.
Except that's a hypothetical and therefore irrelevant? I've said it before and I will say it again, groundlessly saying "What If?" does not justify an argument.Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched, but would you be okay if Barris was ordered to kill an entire village or kill a child and he did it? "Just following orders" has been used to justify atrocities and never sits right with me.
Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched, but would you be okay if Barris was ordered to kill an entire village or kill a child and he did it? "Just following orders" has been used to justify atrocities and never sits right with me.
what if Fiona sold her people into slavery to the single closest thing to a mustache twirling empire of evil in order to save her own skin
wait a sec.....
Or what if she followed a darkspawn magister to attack a innocents village and killed several civilians?what if Fiona sold her people into slavery to the single closest thing to a mustache twirling empire of evil in order to save her own skin
wait a sec.....
^Eh...Great? It Just makes his a goody 2 shoes boy scout Templar that follows the rules, That doesn't make him a badass or great character as many have stated. I'd take almost any other neutral lawful Templars over him, minus the sadistic ones.
But That's not why I find him boring....
I find him boring because he's a generic looking and blandly written and voice acted character. For a character to be interesting, in my eyes, they need imperfections/flaws. Something that they work on to better themselves to further their character development. Something of which they neglected to give him.
Hell, I find knight-captain Rylen a more interesting character and he's in it far less than barris.
Barris has got to be what, in his early to mid twenties? I hate to tell you this but a lot of people are pretty darned generic in their early twenties. He's a young man figuring out who he is and who he wants to be. I thought he made great strides forward during the course of the quest. I didn't find him boring, I found him refreshing. A decent young man on his way to becoming a truly awesome leader and man.I thought the way he took charge in the great hall was pretty darned bada*s. I didn't think he was generic looking either nor did I find his voice actor generic. So I guess one person's boring, is another's "gee, finally a different take on Templars."
No, no I didn't play that game. And to be honest, It still wouldn't have any sway for me on his character because all that happened after the fact. And if you chose the mages over the templars he probably simply went with it or acted far too late to actually do something.
So, you've never failed to do something you later regretted? You've never revisited a situation and thought "I should have said something?"
Human beings don't always get it right the first time, we're not gods, we screw it up. Should we be forever condemned based on one wrong choice? Ser Barris didn't cross his superior in public. Maybe he was confused and uncertain about the right thing to do. (And the "hitting an old woman" things. This is Thedas where women routinely take up sword and shield and do their best to cut your stomach open. I get the feeling that there's little deference in this culture based on sex. So let's take out the "woman" thing, huh?)
Here's another thing to consider before you permanently consign Ser Barris to the flames of whatever hell exists in Thedas. Sometimes an act of violence can be so out of place and out of character, it shocks you into inaction -- yes, even a Templar could experience that. Maybe Ser Barris just needed more time to process this horribly shocking event in his head. A lot of "what-ifs," neh?
So, you've never failed to do something you later regretted? You've never revisited a situation and thought "I should have said something?"
Human beings don't always get it right the first time, we're not gods, we screw it up. Should we be forever condemned based on one wrong choice? Ser Barris didn't cross his superior in public. Maybe he was confused and uncertain about the right thing to do. (And the "hitting an old woman" things. This is Thedas where women routinely take up sword and shield and do their best to cut your stomach open. I get the feeling that there's little deference in this culture based on sex. So let's take out the "woman" thing, huh?)
Here's another thing to consider before you permanently consign Ser Barris to the flames of whatever hell exists in Thedas. Sometimes an act of violence can be so out of place and out of character, it shocks you into inaction -- yes, even a Templar could experience that. Maybe Ser Barris just needed more time to process this horribly shocking event in his head. A lot of "what-ifs," neh?
Barris joined the templars in their war against the mages. If he leaves the templars, I'll open up to him; Cullen did, Lysette did, many others did. Barris did not. I consider him an enemy combatant above all else and have little sympathy to spare for him.
Barris joined the templars in their war against the mages. If he leaves the templars, I'll open up to him; Cullen did, Lysette did, many others did. Barris did not. I consider him an enemy combatant above all else and have little sympathy to spare for him.
Nobody cares who you personally consider an enemy, Xil. Not every thread in this forum is about yours and darkone's feels.
It's a great thing that Barris didn't leave the Templars. He's shown more courage than Cullen and Evangeline and Lysette etc ever have by staying true and trying to fix the Order rather than just throw his hands up and jump ship.
Nobody cares who you personally consider an enemy, Xil. Not every thread in this forum is about yours and darkone's feels.
It's a great thing that Barris didn't leave the Templars. He's shown more courage than Cullen and Evangeline and Lysette etc ever have by staying true and trying to fix the Order rather than just throw his hands up and jump ship.
The order was twisted, evil, and beyond fixing. Probably beyond fixing for hundreds of years, but the separation from the Chantry was the final seal of its fate. Sometimes, the most courageous thing is accepting when you know you have to jump ship.
The order was twisted, evil, and beyond fixing. Probably beyond fixing for hundreds of years, but the separation from the Chantry was the final seal of its fate. Sometimes, the most courageous thing is accepting when you know you have to jump ship.
Which he does, I think, if you tell him to.
Barris joined the templars in their war against the mages. If he leaves the templars, I'll open up to him; Cullen did, Lysette did, many others did. Barris did not. I consider him an enemy combatant above all else and have little sympathy to spare for him.
Sure, people don't have a problem with Barris backing down when the cleric was punched
That's because it is not a problem to begin with.
Which he does, I think, if you tell him to.
By that point, it's too little, too late, because no matter what he does, I'm not abandoning the mages.
The order was twisted, evil, and beyond fixing. Probably beyond fixing for hundreds of years, but the separation from the Chantry was the final seal of its fate. Sometimes, the most courageous thing is accepting when you know you have to jump ship.
I see you have still not learned to discern your own personal opinions from disingenuous truthisms. You believe so-and-so about the Templars, about the Chantry, etc. Good. Opinions are great. Dissenting opinions are even better.
Your opinions, however, are not universal. What you believe about the Templars is not everyone's belief, and what you think should happen in the game is not what everyone wants out of their own game. You've got to learn to stop speaking in absolute statements, as if everyone agrees with your point of view and wants the same things you want out of these games (that are built on the concept of making choices to begin with), if these discussion are ever to be taken seriously.
I see you have still not learned to discern your own personal opinions from disingenuous truthisms. You believe so-and-so about the Templars, about the Chantry, etc. Good. Opinions are great. Dissenting opinions are even better.
Your opinions, however, are not universal. What you believe about the Templars is not everyone's belief, and what you think should happen in the game is not what everyone wants out of their own game. You've got to learn to stop speaking in absolute statements, as if everyone agrees with your point of view and wants the same things you want out of these games (that are built on the concept of making choices to begin with), if these discussion are ever to be taken seriously.
Well, if you like, we could append every post ever on this site with "the aforesaid has been my opinion," but I thought that was more or less assumed from the beginning.
Additionally, the post I was responding to was
It's a great thing that Barris didn't leave the Templars. He's shown more courage than Cullen and Evangeline and Lysette etc ever have by staying true and trying to fix the Order rather than just throw his hands up and jump ship.
and was another opinion framed as an absolute statement. So you may want to look to yourself.
He turned a blind eye to Lucius's atrocities for months, following bad order after bad order and knowing full well that what he was doing was illegal in the eyes of the chantry. How is that showing courage (especially compared to templars like Evangeline)?
Pray tell, how do you know for a fact the Barris knew what Lucius was doing?
Additionally, the post I was responding to was<snip>
and was another opinion framed as an absolute statement. So you may want to look to yourself.
Fair enough.
Ser Barris is a good man, an excellent holy warrior, and I want to run my hand through his buzz cut Mohawk.
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