This assumes that the Inquisition will always be necessary. Even a decade's time after Corypheus' defeat could find the Inquisition having little place in the Thedas it saved.
Well, the templars are gone. The Inquisition can fulfill a role as a military aide--and counterbalance/potential rival--to the Chantry, as well as serving a role in protecting the College of Enchanters.
Well, the templars are gone. The Inquisition can fulfill a role as a military aide--and counterbalance/potential rival--to the Chantry, as well as serving a role in protecting the College of Enchanters.
Unless Bioware wants to disband the Inquisition
Well, one thing it would necessitate is not aiding and abetting a system to unjustly imprison people within a magophobic religious institution's iron grip. And the organization's goals, methods, and the things it tolerates are what makes it evil; how evil the individual is depends on how much they do to advance those..
Ah, and therein lies the heart of much of this debate: the moral and practical qualifications of the Circle system.
Now, being the pro-templar guy that I am, I'd state that your statements are exaggerations of what is actually the case and completely ignore to possible dangers of just placing such power people among the general population, but that would not get to the point of what I'm saying, would it?
I suppose a better point for me to make would be that organizations are simply the product of the people within them. The Templar Order is definitely an organization which one can join seeking to do good. They are meant to be protectors of the people. That is the purpose on which the order was founded. Is it so hard for you to believe that some good can be found in the Order, despite the bad?
I could try to give my own imput as a middle ground person, but that never goes anywhere in these debates sadly 
Ah, and therein lies the heart of much of this debate: the moral and practical qualifications of the Circle system.
Now, being the pro-templar guy that I am, I'd state that your statements are exaggerations of what is actually the case and completely ignore to possible dangers of just placing such power people among the general population, but that would not get to the point of what I'm saying, would it?
I suppose a better point for me to make would be that organizations are simply the product of the people within them. The Templar Order is definitely an organization which one can join seeking to do good. They are meant to be protectors of the people. That is the purpose on which the order was founded. Is it so hard for you to believe that some good can be found in the Order, despite the bad?
The fun thing is that "among the general population" and "imprisoned" aren't the only options.
But for your other paragraph, it does remain hard for me to believe it, yes. There's potential for goodness there, but I cannot see it being realized within the Order itself.
Well, the templars are gone. The Inquisition can fulfill a role as a military aide--and counterbalance/potential rival--to the Chantry, as well as serving a role in protecting the College of Enchanters.
Or working against the College should the need arise. It does go both ways.
Or working against the College should the need arise. It does go both ways.
I think the College and Inquisition would need to be allies too close for that to work well.
I think the College and Inquisition would need to be allies too close for that to work well.
Which still wouldn't stop someone from doing something stupid and causing a big issue
. It not like Xil would entertain the idea of the free mages being anything less than model citizensOr working against the College should the need arise. It does go both ways.
Which still wouldn't stop someone from doing something stupid and causing a big issue
True, but that doesn't extend to working against the whole College.
True, but that doesn't extend to working against the whole College.
Actually, it does, provided the need is there. Whether or not they're allies is not really relevant. The Inquisition has to be prepared to deal with any and all threats, and that includes the College of Enchanters should anything go awry there.
They may be allies, but they are not equals, which is basically what my Inquisitor tells Fiona. They are only given a chance by the graces of the Inquisitor, but that can be taken away just as easily if a good reason is given, and it has to be prepared to do so.
Well, my Inquisitor said that they were equals. I give them a chance because they deserve one.
ignoring that they have already had a chance to prove their quality to the world, why are you so insistent that they will never come into conflict with the Inquisition?Well, my Inquisitor said that they were equals. I give them a chance because they deserve one.
Well, my Inquisitor said that they were equals. I give them a chance because they deserve one.
Even if the Inquisitor claims this, it's patently untrue. The Inquisition holds all the cards and all the influence. In the event of any kind of catastrophe, the Inquisition will be the one with the upper hand. The College of Enchanters remains an unproven institution, while the Inquisition has earned the trust of practically all of Thedas. They exist as free mages because the Inquisition permits it, and if they were ever opposed, the College would be on the losing side.
Whether or not they deserve freedom is not really the issue. Even if the Inquisitor trusts them, as the leader of a military organization, it must also be prepared to deal with anything they can reasonably foresee, including a falling out in the College. It's the same reason I agreed with Vivienne that Templars should be trained to watch the mages in secret. I trust few completely, and entire groups of people of any stripe even less.
ignoring that they have already had a chance to prove their quality to the world, why are you so insistent that they will never come into conflict with the Inquisition?
No reason for Bioware to implement the plot.
Even if the Inquisitor claims this, it's patently untrue. The Inquisition holds all the cards and all the influence. In the event of any kind of catastrophe, the Inquisition will be the one with the upper hand. The College of Enchanters remains an unproven institution, while the Inquisition has earned the trust of practically all of Thedas. They exist as free mages because the Inquisition permits it, and if they were ever opposed, the College would be on the losing side.
Whether or not they deserve freedom is not really the issue. Even if the Inquisitor trusts them, as the leader of a military organization, it must also be prepared to deal with anything they can reasonably foresee, including a falling out in the College.
And this is why the Inquisition needs to exist until the College can stand on its own.
Even if the College can stand on its own, an anti-magic solution will always be in place to deal with any potential problems.
Even if the College can stand on its own, an anti-magic solution will always be in place to deal with any potential problems.
So you want the Inquisition to stick around?
So you want the Inquisition to stick around?
It is a stabilizing influence in a land that desperately needs it. At least so long as the Inquisitor (and probably whoever the Inquisitor handpicks to do the job next) is still around.
I would ask what the other options are, seeing as how you support the complete abolition of the Circle system. The College of Enchanters is an independent, unregulated institution. The mages there are free to do as they please, and under Leliana's ending it would be assumed that any mage not within the College would simply be among the general population. Cassandra reforms the Circle. To what extent is not clear, but drawing from the ending where she allows the College of Enchanters to continue to as in independent organization would imply that living in Circles is not quite so mandatory as before. Vivienne keeps the same systems in place, but gives Mages more authority. Which of these is the middle-ground option of which you speak? I would assume Cassandra would be the middle ground option, but I also assume that you do not feel the same.The fun thing is that "among the general population" and "imprisoned" aren't the only options.
But for your other paragraph, it does remain hard for me to believe it, yes. There's potential for goodness there, but I cannot see it being realized within the Order itself.
I would ask what the other options are, seeing as how you support the complete abolition of the Circle system. The College of Enchanters is an independent, unregulated institution. The mages there are free to do as they please, and under Leliana's ending it would be assumed that any mage not within the College would simply be among the general population. Cassandra reforms the Circle. To what extent is not clear, but drawing from the ending where she allows the College of Enchanters to continue to as in independent organization would imply that living in Circles is not quite so mandatory as before. Vivienne keeps the same systems in place, but gives Mages more authority. Which of these is the middle-ground option of which you speak? I would assume Cassandra would be the middle ground option, but I also assume that you do not feel the same.
Well, I find it strange that you can aknowledge the potential for good but not any actual good. I guess I'll just have to live with that.
It depends on how the College of Enchanters operates. However, since it's in every mage's best interest to be protected from demons, I strongly suspect that it'll work similarly to the Circle in that apprentices at least will be living there. The difference is that they won't be imprisoned by templars or the Chantry.
It depends on how the College of Enchanters operates. However, since it's in every mage's best interest to be protected from demons, I strongly suspect that it'll work similarly to the Circle in that apprentices at least will be living there. The difference is that they won't be imprisoned by templars or the Chantry.
But as you said, that much isn't certain, and once again, since it would seem that the College is optional for mages, then under Leliana, all mages who do not join the College will simply remain among the general population without any sort of force to counter their abilities. This is a massive gamble to take, even with the assumption that the College will operate in the way which you say it probably will.
And the Inquisition can perhaps serve as a contracted defense force for nations that are worried about that. Which will tie back into giving the Inquisition itself more power, so it works out nicely.
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