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And the Inquisition can perhaps serve as a contracted defense force for nations that are worried about that. Which will tie back into giving the Inquisition itself more power, so it works out nicely.


This is still a rather risky move as it does even more to empower the Inquisition than what was already done in DAI. I will say yet again that the Inquisition will be either disbanded, defamed, or at least have the Inquisitor taken out of power by the time of the next game. Your plan not only grants them a lot of influence with the College, but also grants them complete control of all military actions against mages in the general population.

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This is still a rather risky move as it does even more to empower the Inquisition than what was already done in DAI. I will say yet again that the Inquisition will be either disbanded, defamed, or at least have the Inquisitor taken out of power by the time of the next game. Your plan not only grants them a lot of influence with the College, but also grants them complete control of all military actions against mages in the general population.

I have a certain feeling that one of the later DLCs will have us nominating a successor. But in reality, none of us have a "plan," because all of the ending states are described extremely vaguely and all we can do is make things up about them.



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If people think the Inquisition and college are doomed to failure, what's stopping the templars from becoming corrupt douchebags once again?



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If people think the Inquisition and college are doomed to failure, what's stopping the templars from becoming corrupt douchebags once again?

Nothing, that's pretty much the point

Then again not all Templars were like that, like how not all mages
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If people think the Inquisition and college are doomed to failure, what's stopping the templars from becoming corrupt douchebags once again?


I never claimed that the College itself was doomed to failure, though I am certain that the first few years will be rather turbulent to say the least. I was primarily arguing that the mages who opted out of the College would present a problem.

The the concept that the Inquisition would have to disband at some point was brought up multiple times in-game. To assume that it's continued existence would not cause problems is highly naive.
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This is still a rather risky move as it does even more to empower the Inquisition than what was already done in DAI. I will say yet again that the Inquisition will be either disbanded, defamed, or at least have the Inquisitor taken out of power by the time of the next game. Your plan not only grants them a lot of influence with the College, but also grants them complete control of all military actions against mages in the general population.


There is nothing indicating it, in fact the epilogue state how the Inquisition's power is growing, and with the Qunari invasion it will be necessary again.

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 Quite frankly, the Inquisition's strength was always a bit eyeroll-worthy to me.

 

Cassandra/Leliana/you jumpstart the thing after the Conclave. You lose all your infrastructure after Cory attacks you at Haven. Then you get to Skyhold and do not so much as miss a beat. Neither your human resources nor your capital are any problem. And by the end of the game, you are supposedly a military force that rivals nations (Morrigan's words).

 

Kinda ridiculous IMO. Rome was not built in a day, as they say, but the Inquisition has the power of a country in a matter of months (months are like no time in time-periods such as these). Sadly, this just kind of speaks to a bigger issue with the game. Inquisition is really just fan-service on ice, catering to the LCD. Kill Hawke! Destroy the Chantry! Play The Game and Dominate! Play Skyrim in Dragon Age! Face an unambiguous-evil enemy and give him an unopposed arse-whooping! on and on and on...


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 Quite frankly, the Inquisition's strength was always a bit eyeroll-worthy to me.

 

Cassandra/Leliana/you jumpstart the thing after the Conclave. You lose all your infrastructure after Cory attacks you at Haven. Then you get to Skyhold and do not so much as miss a beat. Neither your human resources nor your capital are any problem. And by the end of the game, you are supposedly a military force that rivals nations (Morrigan's words).

 

Kinda ridiculous IMO. Rome was not built in a day, as they say, but the Inquisition has the power of a country in a matter of months (months are like no time in time-periods such as these). Sadly, this just kind of speaks to a bigger issue with the game. Inquisition is really just fan-service on ice IMO.

Well... Ferelden's army and population were gutted by the Blight, Orlais' army was gutted by the civil war, Antiva has no standing army, the Free Marches all seem to be wasting their strength trying to take Kirkwall, and Nevarra and Tevinter are locked up against each other... it sort of seems like the Inquisition might not have as much competition as in other times.



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There is nothing indicating it, in fact the epilogue state how the Inquisition's power is growing, and with the Qunari invasion it will be necessary again.

Regardless of the fact that its continued existence would ignore all those mentions that the Inquisition would likely become dangerous if it was allowed to continue in for too long, it is simply impractical for Bioware to leave it in the player's hands unless they intend to let the player continue on playing as the Inquisitor, which is unlikely.

I have a certain feeling that one of the later DLCs will have us nominating a successor. But in reality, none of us have a "plan," because all of the ending states are described extremely vaguely and all we can do is make things up about them.

Your statement about planning is true, but I always find it important to find some justification for my choices, whether it be for RP or simple practicality.

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Well... Ferelden's army and population were gutted by the Blight, Orlais' army was gutted by the civil war, Antiva has no standing army, the Free Marches all seem to be wasting their strength trying to take Kirkwall, and Nevarra and Tevinter are locked up against each other... it sort of seems like the Inquisition might not have as much competition as in other times.

 

That's like saying Ethiopia could have risen to superpower status while the other major countries were devastated by WWII. Sure, they may have been weakened, but that does not mean other entities will suddenly find themselves with the resources of a powerful nation. Getting to that point takes time, much more of it than passed during the events of the game, but this story does such a poor job giving the modern-day player any sense of time or the very real business concerns that should go into this sort of thing.



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 Quite frankly, the Inquisition's strength was always a bit eyeroll-worthy to me.
 
Cassandra/Leliana/you jumpstart the thing after the Conclave. You lose all your infrastructure after Cory attacks you at Haven. Then you get to Skyhold and do not so much as miss a beat. Neither your human resources nor your capital are any problem. And by the end of the game, you are supposedly a military force that rivals nations (Morrigan's words).
 
Kinda ridiculous IMO. Rome was not built in a day, as they say, but the Inquisition has the power of a country in a matter of months (months are like no time in time-periods such as these). Sadly, this just kind of speaks to a bigger issue with the game. Inquisition is really just fan-service on ice, catering to the LCD. Kill Hawke! Destroy the Chantry! Play The Game and Dominate! Play Skyrim in Dragon Age! Face an unambiguous-evil enemy and give him an unopposed arse-whooping! on and on and on...

David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

 

It does?



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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

 

Wow, three years? 

 

I did not see that coming.



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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

 

mind = blown

 

Even so, three years is still not an awful lot of time in a time period such as this.



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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

Wait, wut?



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I can see 1 year and possibly 2 years, but it really didn't feel like 3 years



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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

Saywut? If true, that makes me wonder a lot of things, like how much time elapsed between that meeting in Josephine's office and the grand masquerade. I usually saved that bit for after Here Lies the Abyss, but because we're moving east to west to get to the Western Approach, I usually cleared out Emprise Du Lion, the Emerald Graves and the Exalted Plains before I even met Hawke.

 

"Inquisitor, when's that masquerade again?"

"I think like the year after?"

"Man, Orlesians sure love their delays."

 

And of course, whatever in the world Corypheus is doing all that time. Red lyrium thumbs up the red lyrium butt.



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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

Do you have a source?

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It was posted in the topic where the OP said that the have couldn't have happened in one hear, someone posted a twitter from David Gaider and he said its happened in 3 treated years span.
I will try to find it again.

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David Gaider said the game happens in a 3 years span.

Do you have an actual source to back up that claim?



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 Quite frankly, the Inquisition's strength was always a bit eyeroll-worthy to me.

 

Cassandra/Leliana/you jumpstart the thing after the Conclave. You lose all your infrastructure after Cory attacks you at Haven. Then you get to Skyhold and do not so much as miss a beat. Neither your human resources nor your capital are any problem. And by the end of the game, you are supposedly a military force that rivals nations (Morrigan's words).

 

Kinda ridiculous IMO. Rome was not built in a day, as they say, but the Inquisition has the power of a country in a matter of months (months are like no time in time-periods such as these). Sadly, this just kind of speaks to a bigger issue with the game. Inquisition is really just fan-service on ice, catering to the LCD. Kill Hawke! Destroy the Chantry! Play The Game and Dominate! Play Skyrim in Dragon Age! Face an unambiguous-evil enemy and give him an unopposed arse-whooping! on and on and on...

 

I've also been wondering where the Inquisition gets the capital to maintain itself.  They create nothing to export and provide no valuable services worth selling.  Skyhold is not positioned to be a major trade route, so there's no income from taxes there.  It's basically at the whim of noble charity.  On the flip side, its expenses are huge.  Starting with supporting this so called 'military might to rival nations'.  Armies are expensive.  Then there are the fortresses the Inquisition holds on the lands of various sovereign nations.  With the exception, possibly of Adamant, taxes have to be paid to those nations.  Potentially rent has to be paid to those nations.  Those facilities have to be maintained.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  It would be staggeringly expensive to maintain the Inquisiiton at the level that would allow it to 'rival nations', to the point that it would require those nations good favor to support itself.

That's why I've never taken the Inquisition as a credible threat to nations seriously, since all you have to do to defang it is stop giving it money.



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Do you have an actual source to back up that claim?


Now I have: https://mobile.twitt...043493390123009

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It is telling that his initial response is "I dunno."


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It is telling that his initial response is "I dunno."


Yeah, but its clear it didn't happen in a year only.

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Yeah, but its clear it didn't happen in a year only.

 

It would've been funny if he said it was like a decade.


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