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[Dark Helmet]

It would've been funny if he said it was like a decade.

 

Orlesians loooooove party planning....

[Xilizhra]

I've also been wondering where the Inquisition gets the capital to maintain itself.  They create nothing to export and provide no valuable services worth selling.  Skyhold is not positioned to be a major trade route, so there's no income from taxes there.  It's basically at the whim of noble charity.  On the flip side, its expenses are huge.  Starting with supporting this so called 'military might to rival nations'.  Armies are expensive.  Then there are the fortresses the Inquisition holds on the lands of various sovereign nations.  With the exception, possibly of Adamant, taxes have to be paid to those nations.  Potentially rent has to be paid to those nations.  Those facilities have to be maintained.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  It would be staggeringly expensive to maintain the Inquisiiton at the level that would allow it to 'rival nations', to the point that it would require those nations good favor to support itself.

That's why I've never taken the Inquisition as a credible threat to nations seriously, since all you have to do to defang it is stop giving it money.

http://dragonage.wik..._Coin_(Skyhold)

http://dragonage.wik...l_That_Glitters

http://dragonage.wik...erve_Any_Master

http://dragonage.wik...den_Opportunity

 

The Inquisition takes over a gold mine, takes some big bites out of the Orlesian pie (to the point of practically owning the Dales), and has side interests in information brokering and mercenary work, in addition to maintaining whatever trading posts they can (Caer Bronach might especially be good for this).

[TK514]

http://dragonage.wik..._Coin_(Skyhold)

http://dragonage.wik...l_That_Glitters

http://dragonage.wik...erve_Any_Master

http://dragonage.wik...den_Opportunity

 

The Inquisition takes over a gold mine, takes some big bites out of the Orlesian pie (to the point of practically owning the Dales), and has side interests in information brokering and mercenary work, in addition to maintaining whatever trading posts they can (Caer Bronach might especially be good for this).

 

Not even remotely enough to serve the Inquisition's needs.

 

Edit:  I should rephrase.  Not remotely enough for me to suspend my disbelief.  Mercenary work doesn't support an army, while corrupt officials are temporary at best, and devastatingly damaging at worst.

 

No matter who you are, you don't get to just decide that property belongs to you, particularly under a monarchy where all property not specifically owned belongs to the crown.  And definitely something as important as a gold mine.  In this situation, the crown would politely thank you for dealing with the threat and then station troops to not so politely take possession of the mine.  At best they would allow you to work it and keep a percentage of the gold, with the lion's share being retained by the crown.

 

And the last one does very little to actually make money for the Inquisition.  Giving priority to the Inquisition's business does nothing to actually create business for the Inquisition, nor does it pay for the troop movement's it is giving priority to.

[Korva]

I really do wish the writers had paid more attention to aspects like logistics and economy -- or should I say, paid any attention to it, because I agree that as it is, our "rise to power" feels unrealistic. Of course I don't want this game to be a 4X, but if you're going to write a rising world power, then you NEED to give some basic thought to how it's supposed to support itself. Hell, look at Skyhold. I love the place, but how the bleep does it even survive? It should be deadlocked in snow and ice for months on end, and a single delayed or destroyed supply caravan could spell disaster. And the poor soldiers forced to camp on a frozen lake must have stellar morale in such conditions ... They should have given us a fertile valley where people can actually live, grow food and herd livestock. Sure that's less "k3wl" than a fort permanently surrounded by snow and ice, but "k3wl" tends to be over-the-top BS anyway.

 

Anyway. I'd have guesstimated maybe two years, but three years makes sense to me as well considering the distances we travel. The Adamant campaign alone, with slow-ass siege engines in tow and an army to feed and water in extremely hostile conditions, must have taken a good chunk of a year and been a logistial nightmare/masterpiece. A little mention of how much time passes, and less teleporting from one end of the continent to another in the blink of an eye, would have been very welcome to make me feel more connected to the world and less "gamey".

[Steelcan]

So how about that Ser Barris eh?

Eh kills abominations and malificar and doesn't afraid of anything

[TK514]

So how about that Ser Barris eh?

Eh kills abominations and malificar and doesn't afraid of anything

 

He's a good man.  I like him.

[Boost32]

So how about that Ser Barris eh?
Eh kills abominations and malificar and doesn't afraid of anything

Great leader who shall command the Inquisition's templars in the years to come.

[Catche Jagger]

So how about that Ser Barris eh?

Eh kills abominations and malificar and doesn't afraid of anything

Pretty awesome guy. I wish we had more of him. The entry in WoT vol. 2 was pretty nice though.

[AresKeith]

So how about that Ser Barris eh?

Eh kills abominations and malificar and doesn't afraid of anything

 

The John Steward of the Templars  

[Korva]

The entry in WoT vol. 2 was pretty nice though.

 

Any new interesting tidbits of his life before or during the Inquisition timeline?

[Boost32]

Any new interesting tidbits of his life before or during the Inquisition timeline?

Spoiler

[Korva]

Ahh, cheers. So taking charge in a crisis moment is not new to him. I do like the guy, he's definitely my favourite "minor" NPC and I wouldn't mind seeing more of him.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I really would have liked to see him hanging around Skyhold.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Great leader who shall command the Inquisition's templars in the years to come.

In my head canon, he ends up becoming the new leader of the Seekers as the Templars flood the ranks of the Seekers and Cass becomes Divine.

[Boost32]

Sigh... Bioware launched patch 7 and still didn't fixed the bug where his war table missions don't appear if you conscript the templars. I thought it was a well known bug by now.

[Iakus]

Sigh... Bioware launched patch 7 and still didn't fixed the bug where his war table missions don't appear if you conscript the templars. I thought it was a well known bug by now.

That's what's keeping me from ever conscripting the Templars 

[Dieb]

Argh!

 

A huge thank you to this thread, you guys are great for two reasons:

 

1) I had no idea the meter mustn't fall under 30%; as a completionist I always maxed it out to the utmost while merrily collecting all the loot & thinking it only matters how much HP he has left.

 

2) I also didn't realize his wartable missions are bugged. I was a little bummed he just disappears once I managed to have him live by mere chance; unlike Fiona.

 

P.S.: ...and also if you were kind, altruistic people, and/or nurses, or social workers, or doctors without borders; but let us just care about maximizing my personal video game entertainment here.

[Serelir]

It's surely been said before, but I'd love to have him as a companion, despite not being too fond of Templars in general. I played the Templar path just so I could save him. If only I could give Vivienne the boot and have Ser Barris instead! I liked him as soon as I set eyes on him in Val Royaux on my first playthrough and hoped he'd reappear. I guess saving him didn't do much good if the war table missions don't work.

[d1ta]

His war table mission is bugged if you conscript the Templars? O.o' ..
Does that mean he's not getting any kind of promotion or he'll have no war table missions or..? (Can somebody kindly explain me this? Thx)

I plan on conscripting the Templars on my next PT to get my preferable ending (my mage wanted to conscript them first time around, but the dude completely win me over "you're nice" was the first thing that flew in my head when meeting him )

I totally hope we'll see him again in the next game (as companion and LI most preferably ♡)

And damn, those eyes.. so easy to get lost in them. He's pretty much awasome to me because while he certainly has brute strength and skilled in combat, he also possess a good head above his shoulders, kind in his demeanor and he just filled the role of protector easily. His leadership shines through when everything in Therinfal seemed to fall apart (and it does if the Herald didn't came knocking on the front gate) so that really speaks volume about him.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The War Table missions that culminate in promoting him don't appear if the Templars are conscripted, as I understand. Although you can fix that for the future in the Keep.

[d1ta]

Aawww... really??

That's just sad..

[Ryzaki]

Wait Barris bug still isn't fixed?

 

=/ not cool

[berelinde]

Are we sure that isn't intentional? Ser Barris is promoted by the Inquisition to lead the Templar Order, but if the Templar Order has been disbanded and absorbed by the Inquisition, Ser Barris becomes an agent (he's listed as an agent under Forces), but he's never promoted. He can't lead an organization that no longer exists.

 

That's the one thing I dislike about disbanding the templars.

[Boost32]

Are we sure that isn't intentional? Ser Barris is promoted by the Inquisition to lead the Templar Order, but if the Templar Order has been disbanded and absorbed by the Inquisition, Ser Barris becomes an agent (he's listed as an agent under Forces), but he's never promoted. He can't lead an organization that no longer exists.
 
That's the one thing I dislike about disbanding the templars.

Yes, we are sure.
Before patch 2 it was possible, he was promoted to Knight-Commander of the Inquisition templars.
This is the video where the templars were conscripted: https://account.xbox...76-e00e7fe465df

Here where the alliance was made: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LPN0ju6yTvg

[riverbanks]

Yes, we are sure.
Before patch 2 it was possible, he was promoted to Knight-Commander of the Inquisition templars.

 

But are we sure that being able to promote him while the Templars had been disbanded wasn't the original bug to begin with, and they later fixed it to work as intended? berelinde is right - when you disband the Templars, you tell them to abandon the Order and fight for you as soldiers and agents. What do you want a Templar Knight-Commander for if you just disbanded the entire Templar Order?

 

I find this branching much more logical. If you recruited the Templars to join your cause, they're still recovering from the massive losses of the war + Therinfall and need strong leaders to regroup, rebuild and hopefully do better as an Order, thus making Barris the Knight-Commander of the remaining forces makes sense. You have the quest chain showing the Templars can and will do good work under good leadership, and your vote of trust in the Order is rewarded  with a look at the Templars at their best. If you disbanded the Templars, though, you miss out on the quest chain and Barris' promotion because the people you recruited are just a bunch of glorified foot soldiers and agents acting under your army now, they don't need to prove themselves (they just have to follow orders) or have a dedicated Commander of their own anymore (that's what Cullen's there for).