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[BloodyTalon]

Yup he is worth more then the grand traitor and no matter how you ally with him, he is always out doing work and not hanging with the books like the grand traitor.

[TheJediSaint]

I would have Templars as my canon if I didn't like the time-travel plot of In Hushe Whispers so much.

[Milan92]

I think Ser Barris should become the new Lord Seeker.

 

Hopefully Cass will keep him in mind when she reforms the order.

[AresKeith]

Idk, maybe you should try actually doing more than just his 20 second intro before judging him?

What you mean actually seeing a good templar

[Milan92]

I would have Templars as my canon if I didn't like the time-travel plot of In Hushe Whispers so much.

 

*waves hand*

 

You dislike the time-travel plot.

[The Baconer]

And you can promote him if you conscript the templars.

 

Excellent. This pleases me greatly.

[lil yonce]

And he admits his failures, and the orders failures. And does his best to make up for them. He does some truly admirable things if you recruit the templars.

 

Can people please actually play the Templar side of the story before they come in and talk **** about Barris ? 

I don't feel I have to play the templar quest to have a fair first impression of him, and even if I did side with the templars, it would remain something about him that I don't like. The templars assault an old woman and they tell him not to question in general their very questionable actions and opinions. I think most people would question this and I don't understand why he doesn't, or why its okay to so many people that he doesn't.

[Karthak]

What is he like post-Haven if you disband the Templar Order? Do you still get to promote him to something? I'm thinking of doing Therinfal in my current playthrough, but no way in Hell am I not disbanding the Templar Order. DAII made me develop a fondness for stomping Templars in the face, so if I get the chance to break their organization, I'm going to take it.

[Hazegurl]

I don't care for Ser Barris. His introduction in Val Royeaux marked him as a military stooge to me. The templars assault a chantry sister (one he'd been supporting in some way it seemed IIRC), handwave it with, "She is beneath us" and he joins them. He questions the Lord Seeker's stance on the Inquisition but is talked down with, "You have been called to a higher purpose. Do not question." Mindless devotion is not admirable to me. I think that if he were a good person, a reasonable person, he wouldn't have left with the rest of the templars.

He's not talked down. Hence why he was first on the list to be "purged" and why he died protecting everyone if the Inquisitor does not go to Redoubt.

 

The reason Barris goes is because of his loyalty to the Templar Order. He swore an oath and will not easily break it. However, he could be persuaded to do so and bring the rest of the Templars with him. You're told in the war room that there are Templars willing to join and my first thought was of Barris because you see his willingness to join in Val Royeaux. The moment I saw Barris in Redoubt, my goal was to recruit him from the start if possible. I didn't give two craps about the Lord Seeker.

[Mr.House]

I don't feel I have to play the templar quest to have a fair first impression of him, and even if I did side with the templars, it would remain something about him that I don't like. The templars assault an old woman and they tell him not to question in general their very questionable actions and opinions. I think most people would question this and I don't understand why he doesn't, or why its okay to so many people that he doesn't.

Because he does question it.

[Ceoldoren]

I don't feel I have to play the templar quest to have a fair first impression of him, and even if I did side with the templars, it would remain something about him that I don't like. The templars assault an old woman and they tell him not to question in general their very questionable actions and opinions. I think most people would question this and I don't understand why he doesn't or why its okay to so many people that he doesn't.

Right, his 20 second intro is enough to completely judge his character. That's fair. 

 

He does question, but he believed in his order and his commander as well. He was deceived. He knows he screwed up. 

[The Baconer]

How many mages would of the done the same for a decent templar ?

 

More than you're hoping.

[TheJediSaint]

*waves hand*

 

You dislike the time-travel plot.

You need to invest at least two points in Force Persuade for that to work, buddy.

[Mr.House]

He's not talked down. Hence why he was first on the list to be "purged" and why he died protecting everyone if the Inquisitor does not go to Redoubt.

 

The reason Barris goes is because of his loyalty to the Templar Order. He swore an oath and will not easily break it. However, he could be persuaded to do so and bring the rest of the Templars with him. You're told in the war room that there are Templars willing to join and my first thought was of Barris because you see his willingness to join in Val Royeaux. The moment I saw Barris in Redoubt, my goal was to recruit him from the start if possible. I didn't give two craps about the Lord Seeker.

Indeed. It was very clear Barris and the other templars(which was a big number) that where on the purge list where in fact the ones that wanted to join the Inquisition. While Barris might not question Lord Seekers actions in public, he does in private with the Inquisitor and even brings it up that something is clearly wrong.

[Milan92]

You need to invest at least two points in Force Persuade for that to work, buddy.

 

Curse this! I knew I shouldn't have spend those points in force choke.

[Hazegurl]

With all honesty. Lord Seeker Lucius was right about one thing. That chantry mother was beneath him... old b*tch.

[AresKeith]

You need to invest at least two points in Force Persuade for that to work, buddy.

There is no time-travel only voodoo

[Ceoldoren]

Curse this! I knew I shouldn't have spend those points in force choke.

Nah dude, it was a good call. Force choke is OP as hell.

[TheJediSaint]

With all honesty. Lord Seeker Lucius was right about one thing. That chantry mother was beneath him... old b*tch.

I don't know.  Having a minion sucker-punch an old woman doesn't really impress me.

[Ceoldoren]

I don't know.  Having a minion sucker-punch an old woman doesn't really impress me.

Given the chance I would of punched her myself. But she was being openly hostile to me. the Lord Commander is just a dick. 

[Milan92]

I don't know.  Having a minion sucker-punch an old woman doesn't really impress me.

 

Agreed. It reminded me of the option to punch Khalisah al-Jilani.

[TheJediSaint]

Agreed. It reminded me of the option to punch Khalisah al-Jilani.

*Paragon interrupt to comfort.*

 

Oh, the feels!

[lil yonce]

He's not talked down. Hence why he was first on the list to be "purged" and why he died protecting everyone if the Inquisitor does not go to Redoubt.

 

The reason Barris goes is because of his loyalty to the Templar Order. He swore an oath and will not easily break it. However, he could be persuaded to do so and bring the rest of the Templars with him. You're told in the war room that there are Templars willing to join and my first thought was of Barris because you see his willingness to join in Val Royeaux. The moment I saw Barris in Redoubt, my goal was to recruit him from the start if possible. I didn't give two craps about the Lord Seeker.

I'm only talking about his actions in Val Royeaux because that's what I've seen of his character in my game - and I don't understand loyalty to the templars from what we see of them in Val Royeaux. And if you include their actions before the start of the game which Barris would have to be aware of, I don't see his character as being very good or reasonable in his decision to leave with them. And Cullen breaks his oath and leaves, Ser Evangeline leaves, and they are templars that outranked him and had far more responsibility within the order and more at stake when they left.

Modifié par lil yonce, 08 décembre 2014 - 06:31 .

[Ceoldoren]

I'm only talking about his actions in Val Royeaux because that's what I've seen of his character in my game - and I don't understand loyalty to the templars from what we see of them in Val Royeaux. And if you include their actions before the start of the game which Barris would have to be aware of, I don't see his character as being very good or reasonable. And Cullen breaks his oath and leaves, Ser Evangeline leaves, and these are templars that outranked him and had far more responsibility within the order and more at stake when they left.

Good people can work for bad organization. It doesn't make them bad people. Not to mention he completely turns the order around if you recruit them. 

 

Basically, play the templar side, if you still don't like him feel free to come back and we'll discuss why. Right now I really don't think it's fair to judge him. 

[Hazegurl]

I don't know.  Having a minion sucker-punch an old woman doesn't really impress me.

He didn't impress me either. But I consider that mother to be nothing more than a rabblerouser itching to plant her saggy bottom on the Sunburst Throne by being openly hostile toward me and the Inquisition. Hopefully that punch knocked some sense into her.