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[Hazegurl]

I'm only talking about his actions in Val Royeaux because that's what I've seen of his character in my game - and I don't understand loyalty to the templars from what we see of them in Val Royeaux. And if you include their actions before the start of the game which Barris would have to be aware of, I don't see his character as being very good or reasonable in his decision to leave with them. And Cullen breaks his oath and leaves, Ser Evangeline leaves, and they are templars that outranked him and had far more responsibility within the order and more at stake when they left.

None of these people are Barris and Barris isn't any of them. It seems like you are condemning him not for being a follower but for not following the people you feel he should have.  IMO, that's not fair. I really think you should hold opinion until you play Champions of the Just. maybe you would change you rmind, maybe not. At least you would have more to go on than a small intro.

[Ceoldoren]

None of these people are Barris and Barris isn't any of them. It seems like you are condemning him not for being a follower but for not following the people you feel he should have.  IMO, that's not fair. I really think you should hold opinion until you play Champions of the Just. maybe you would change you rmind, maybe not. At least you would have more to go on than a small intro.

Basically what I said. Play Champions of The Just and if  you still don't like him feel free to voice your dislike. I find it unfair right now though.

[lil yonce]

Good people can work for bad organization. It doesn't make them bad people. Not to mention he completely turns the order around if you recruit them. 

 

Basically, play the templar side, if you still don't like him feel free to come back and we'll discuss why. Right now I really don't think it's fair to judge him. 

I've said his choice to leave with the templars in Val Royeaux is something I wouldn't like about him if I sided with the templars or not. I don't like that Cullen didn't challenge Meredith until after the annulment. I don't like that Evangeline was willing to kill Pharamond for Lambert in Asunder. I don't like those actions despite their later character development. His choice to leave with the templars is a big part of his character and I think its worth isolating and discussing.

[Ceoldoren]

I've said his choice to leave with the templars in Val Royeaux is something I wouldn't like about him if I sided with the templars or not. I don't like that Cullen didn't challenge Meredith until after the annulment. I don't like that Evangeline was willing to kill Pharamond for Lambert in Asunder. I don't like those actions despite their later character development. His choice to leave with the templars is a big part of his character and I think its worth isolating and discussing.

It would be if he hadn't been planning to leave with you when you showed up. He followed. But he wasn't really on board with the Lord Commander. He was clearly planning to leave regardless of what happens with you and the Templars. Which is why they try to kill him instead of turning him into a red templar.

[PrinceLionheart]

And he admits his failures, and the orders failures. And does his best to make up for them. He does some truly admirable things if you recruit the templars.

 

Can people please actually play the Templar side of the story before they come in and talk **** about Barris ? 

 

But that would involve acknowledging there's actually two-sides to the mage/templar war.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm only talking about his actions in Val Royeaux because that's what I've seen of his character in my game - and I don't understand loyalty to the templars from what we see of them in Val Royeaux. And if you include their actions before the start of the game which Barris would have to be aware of, I don't see his character as being very good or reasonable in his decision to leave with them. And Cullen breaks his oath and leaves, Ser Evangeline leaves, and they are templars that outranked him and had far more responsibility within the order and more at stake when they left.

Maybe you would understand more if you'd actually play the Templar side before casting all these judgments.

[Deukalion]

Has no one noticed that he is voiced by the same fellow who voiced Ser Jory in DA:O??

[Mykel54]

I conscripted the templars but was unable to promote ser Barris, there was no dialogue for it on the throne. There was a scene about judging the red templar who wanted to kill you.

[AresKeith]

Has no one noticed that he is voiced by the same fellow who voiced Ser Jory in DA:O??

Should've been voiced by Phil Lamarr

[TheTurtle]

I conscripted the templars but was unable to promote ser Barris, there was no dialogue for it on the throne. There was a scene about judging the red templar who wanted to kill you.

Redacted cause OP edited his post.

[Ceoldoren]

I conscripted the templars but was unable to promote ser Barris, there was no dialogue for it on the throne. There was a scene about judging the red templar who wanted to kill you.

Theirs some war table missions Involving Barris leading some missions. You need to do those before you can promote him. 

[lil yonce]

None of these people are Barris and Barris isn't any of them. It seems like you are condemning him not for being a follower but for not following the people you feel he should have.  IMO, that's not fair. I really think you should hold opinion until you play Champions of the Just. maybe you would change you rmind, maybe not. At least you would have more to go on than a small intro.

I think he's a lot like Cullen and Evangline, actually. From what I can discern, his arc mirrors theirs. If I condemn him, its because I think there is quite a bit of evidence from his position that the templars are not worth committing to and he brushes it aside. I don't know how someone can take their actions in Val Royeaux, or what they've been doing before the start of the game, as a sign to follow them when they haven't been. EDIT: It comes off mindless. It comes off military stooge to me. That he subverts that or overcomes that or develops or whatever happens to him in Champions of the Just is good, but I think its his choice to join them in Val Royeaux is a worthwhile point of discussion.

[Ceoldoren]

Has no one noticed that he is voiced by the same fellow who voiced Ser Jory in DA:O??

I noticed. I actually like the guys voice. Jory was just a cowardly character. Hard to like him. 

[Mr.House]

Barris being voiced by the same actor who voiced Broche just made it better.

[CrazyRah]

Barris being voiced by the same actor who voiced Broche just made it better.

 

Instant approval from me for that

[Milan92]

Barris being voiced by the same actor who voiced Broche just made it better.

 

After this revelation, there is literally no reason to ever side with the mages.

[Ceoldoren]

Barris being voiced by the same actor who voiced Broche just made it better.

I didn't know they had the same VA. Vernon Roche was a badass, I loved him. 

[herkles]

I think he's a lot like Cullen and Evangline, actually. From what I can discern, his arc mirrors theirs. If I condemn him, its because I think there is quite a bit of evidence from his position that the templars are not worth committing to and he brushes it aside. I don't know how someone can take their actions in Val Royeaux, or what they've been doing before the start of the game, as a sign to follow them when they haven't been. EDIT: It comes off mindless. It comes off military stooge to me. That he subverts that or overcomes that or develops or whatever happens to him in Champions of the Just is good but I think its his choice to join them in Val Royeaux is a worthwhile point of discussion.

 

The thing is he does not brush aside the failings of the Order. He acknowledges the order has problems, faults and has strayed from what it is supposed to do. Then after acknowledging the order's failings, he goes about and works to fix them.

 

He stops peasents from lynching mages

He protects mages who just wanted to hide in their tower and not join the war.

He protects everyone when abominations and demons get loose and threaten a town.

 

In short he works to try and be a good templar and succeds.

[Eterna]

Yeah, I think it's best we just ignore XIl at this point. He/she is just being hostile. And this is a place for discussion of a character. Not a Templar-mage thread. 

 

I know Xil from another forum. It is definitely best to just ignore, her views on World of Warcrafts Forsaken are just as bad and eyerolling as her opinions on mages. 

[Hazegurl]

I've said his choice to leave with the templars in Val Royeaux is something I wouldn't like about him if I sided with the templars or not. I don't like that Cullen didn't challenge Meredith until after the annulment. I don't like that Evangeline was willing to kill Pharamond for Lambert in Asunder. I don't like those actions despite their later character development. His choice to leave with the templars is a big part of his character and I think its worth isolating and discussing.

Then the discussion may not go anywhere because those of us who have played CotJ will naturally have other elements to add to our opinion of him and not just the sliver we see of him in Val Royeaux. I understand first impressions are everything. If you choose to see him as a stooge then so be it. But imo, he is far from it.   The fact that Barris tries to handle the situation privately so as to not stain the Templars further shows how much he cares about his comrades.

[Deukalion]

I noticed. I actually like the guys voice. Jory was just a cowardly character. Hard to like him. 

I wouldn´t call Jory a coward exactly. He did say that he never met anything he couldn´t meet with his blade. Evidently he really didn´t like the taste of blood. Oh well. Can´t say I disliked the guy. He was simply uninteresting.

[Ceoldoren]

Did anyone catch his full name when they introduced him in Champions of the Just ? I know they give it. But it was just for a moment. 

[Mr.House]

I forget his first name but I do know he's the youngest son of a lesser noble.

[ArvinDulku]

Did anyone catch his full name when they introduced him in Champions of the Just ? I know they give it. But it was just for a moment.

Knight-Commander Delrin Barris. 

[lil yonce]

The thing is he does not brush aside the failings of the Order. He acknowledges the order has problems, faults and has strayed from what it is supposed to do. Then after acknowledging the order's failings, he goes about and works to fix them.

 

He stops peasents from lynching mages

He protects mages who just wanted to hide in their tower and not join the war.

He protects everyone when abominations and demons get loose and threaten a town.

 

In short he works to try and be a good templar and succeds.

In Val Royeaux, the templars assault a chantry sister and tell him not to question in general - I don't know why he decides to follow them to Therinfall Redoubt after that. That puzzles me. In that moment, do you think he thought he could fix it despite what he saw from the Lord Seeker in the market?