Human path is the better one in m view.
Cole learns things and stops being afraid about being hurt by people. He also finally understands what Rhys was trying to teach him back in Asunder.
Also a small banter between Solas and Cole implies the Spirit path may be a bad choice...
Solas: "How do you feel Cole?"
Cole: "I am me. I can not be bound. Broken. I will help the hurt and kill the killers."
Solas: "I see....I.....let me know if I can help."
PW wrote the perfect superhero. With the spirit storyline.
Have one playthrough for each, and its more fitting for him to be more human. Has a spirit he starts having to make himself forget fully about cole to maintain himself
so glad he wasn't a demon in any shape or form
Modifié par BloodyTalon, 08 décembre 2014 - 06:23 .
I like him more as a full Spirit.
Preferred him more human since as a spirit I felt he only had a window view of the world and didn't truly understand if his actions actually helped. You can see it in the spirit video, he'll give advise but everyone is like:
"Who Da faq is that?"
"Idk o.O"
"Ok."
and probably waves his advice off.
My Lavellan trusted Solas' opinion where spirit stuff is concerned, so that's how it turned out. I liked turning Cole more spirit-y, he was like the closest thing Thedas has to an angel. The only thing that made me sad at first, was when he said he forgot about being Cole. But later on he talks about Rhys, so I was relieved he didn't throw out all his memories. I'm just glad he could finally be happy after everything he's been through.
I'm going to try turning him human on the second playthrough.
I think he's happier as a Spirit in the short term, but it robs him of the chance to ever become anything more complex. Spirits have short memories, and think in the simplest terms. Cole says this himself.
As a more human-like spirit, Cole becomes much more complex, and has the capability of learning and understanding new things. I think that's better, in the end. Even Solas comes around to it.
There is not a bad choice there, both outcomes are good for him. Different, but good, and it doesn´t affect the gameplay in any way so I don´t know which one I prefer he is happier than he was before both if you make him turn into a "full spirit" or a human.
Human. I've read Asunder more than a few times so he always felt like he had 'personhood' to me, even if he wasn't human, and even if he lost that a little between Asunder and the start of DA:I. The idea of stripping him of that personhood felt icky to me (although I can understand why other people would view it otherwise).
Totally worth it for the smile, the obvious lessons learned and the fact the other companions all seemed to band around him afterwards via banter etc.
I try to aim to eventually go for all available options in these games (even killing favourite characters, etc), but I honestly think turning him spirit may be the one option in DA:I I never take.
I am always worried about having a spirit become more 'human'. I do not believe we have a simple example of a 'human spirit', or anything that even approaches it as we have with Cole. Last spirit that I saw that felt they had an idea on how this world works and what they should do in it, was Justice. And we all know how that ended up. Human emotions + spirit = demon. I'll keep Cole as a spirit. Thedas could use more compassion.
Why is being human automatically a good thing all of a sudden?
I prefer making him human-like because it expands his emotions and seems to give him peace of mind. Making him more spirit-like takes away much of what makes him unique and gives me the impression of an emotionless drone with obsessed and frantic compulsions. 
I am always worried about having a spirit become more 'human'. I do not believe we have a simple example of a 'human spirit', or anything that even approaches it as we have with Cole. Last spirit that I saw that felt they had an idea on how this world works and what they should do in it, was Justice. And we all know how that ended up. Human emotions + spirit = demon. I'll keep Cole as a spirit. Thedas could use more compassion.
This was actually another issue I had... For as human as he seems, Cole is still a spirit, and I could see how trying to apply human psychology to him might backfire. I was afraid of what would happen if that was pushed too far. Would he eventually twist into a full blown demon? Justice was definitely on my mind, and I wondered what Varric was thinking after what happened with Anders.
It's worth remembering that what happened with Vengeance wasn't just a case of a spirit encountering the real world/human emotions and twisting, it was a case of two entirely separate personalities forcibly merging and not coming out of it particularly well.
Justice was doing pretty well, personality-wise, until he merged with Anders. People keep drawing comparisons between Cole and Vengeance/Justice!Anders but personally I feel a more apt comparison is Awakening-era Justice - a spirit carrying the memories of a dead person, aware they are not them but those memories still becomingan important part of the spirit's experience of the world. From the moment Justice came out of the Fade he seemed to be learning about the world in a more complex way than a spirit would usually experience, and I do wonder if things would have worked out similarly to Cole's human path (i.e. a spirit is given the opportunity to learn and grow and become human through experience) if he hadn't had the disadvantage of not having his own living body the way Cole did.
Spirit, because that is what he is.
Also while Varric may mean well, Solas is far more knowledgeable about Spirits & the Fade. Solas' argument that Cole would be better off not pretending to be something he isn't was more compelling for that reason. Varric basically knows next to nothing about spirits.
Spirit, because that is what he is.
Also while Varric may mean well, Solas is far more knowledgeable about Spirits & the Fade. Solas' argument that Cole would be better off not pretending to be something he isn't was more compelling for that reason. Varric basically knows next to nothing about spirits.
Solas has a lot of knowledge, but I think he's proven pretty decisively that he makes terrible decisions in spite of that. He also has a lot of preconceptions which are challenged throughout the game.
Plus, if you make Cole more human, even Solas comes around to the idea and thinks it might actually turn out to be better for Cole overall.
Cole is a spirit though. He isn't human, so why encourage him to act more like he is?
Cole is a spirit though. He isn't human, so why encourage him to act more like he is?
He'll never stop being a spirit. Making him more "human" is a misnomer. Really, all you're doing is making him more complex, and more suited to existence outside of the Fade. I think that's a good idea, since that's where he is, and where he wants to remain.
I mean, overall there's no right or wrong answer, but having tried both I stand by Varric's approach. I'm generally anti-regression.
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To those saying Cole is like a child....lol, sure it's okay for him to go stabby stabby and invade people's personal thoughts, sure that's fine cause children do that all the time, but think of him in a romantic way? dear god no, pedobear does not approve!!!!!!!!!!!.
Seriously I think of Cole as Rainman without the Judge Wopner? obsession. I literally cannot see him in a romantic way, I do however want to hug and squeeze the life out of him when he's sad and seriously doubted my choice to make him more of a spirit. That scene I knew I made the wrong choice. Either way Human or Spirit I think Cole loses something.
What I want to know is if human Cole still has the ability to heal people? I would make him Human if he does, if not I don't want him to lose that ability but at the same time I don't want him to lose what makes him Cole.
I made him become more spirit like. There are already too many humans on not just the Inquisition team, but in Thedas. Having a compassionate spirit provides us and indeed Thedas itself with unique viewpoints.
What I want to know is if human Cole still has the ability to heal people? I would make him Human if he does, if not I don't want him to lose that ability but at the same time I don't want him to lose what makes him Cole.
You can talk to him afterwards about this. The answer: he does, in some ways more effectively than he did before. Basically he loses the ability to make people forget at will and just retry endlessly if his interaction to make somebody feel better doesn't work out "right", but he gains the ability to think about problems in a far more complex way and, because humans are complicated, having a window onto that kind of thinking helps him solve problems in a more nuanced and thoughtful way.
He also recognises that not being allowed "do-overs" possibly helps in itself, because he realises that allowing people to remember him means they remember that somebody actually cared. Even if he messes up people remember that somebody cared enough to try and that's a feeling that helps a lot of people.
I was hoping we could corrupt him into a demon.
Oh well. Demon, human; same thing.
Except for the fact that he isn't.
Still, kinda sucks that you deprived yourself of one of the best companions in the game. Give him a chance next time.
No. Your failings in seeing what he truly is does not persuade me.
He kind of creeped my inquisitor out but he let him stay and became fond of him in a weird way. Well meaning but a little on the depressing and dangerous side, lol.
Human. I think that would give him more, um, I don't know how to put it, a full life? I want him here with me, with everyone, I don't want him to go back to the fade or disappear mysteriously someday, after making everyone forget him. I want him to experience and feel as we do. Perhaps not exactly same, but at least some similar way. I want to give him a solid ground, so he could fit in. I love Cole..I kinda almost want to adopt him. He's just so precious and cute and stabby.
I'm going to go with human, but I don't know exactly how that decision scene happens, so I may change my mind if it means outright embracing revenge.
Cole will be spirit-enough as long as he remembers his existence in the Fade and likes to do his 'helping' of others. This is interesting, as it furthers the (to many, uncomfortable) truth that much of the 'Fade' and 'Thedas' and Beyond that, is but a state of mind at the end of the day. If we consider things immutable, especially if we're created (by the Maker? heh) to consider things in such a way, thenthe world is more immutable. The Fade is ever changing, but the entities within it do not consider themselves as beings that can change and grow, but just change to reflect the mortals they interact with (whether those mortals or conscious or dreaming).
Thedas, imo, needs to have more magic in it that most are comfortable with, but this doesn't mean Cole himself needs to be a spirit flying around. It is clear that the path he wanted to be on, as he gained more and more self-determination, was one of humanity, and his difficulty was that he was a spirit trying to gain humanity in a world with the Veil still up. What/who do we blame for that? Some will go for Cole-Spirit because the Veil still exists and making spirits more human is just playing with something of great danger, at least for the time being. Cole may as well stick to what he definitely knows, and this is his existence as a Spirit of Compassion. Going human, on the other hand, lessens the breadth of that compassion, but opens him up to the possible depths of compassion. With his spiritual history, he can be human-like, but retain the ability to love to a level that may be utterly unconditional. In a way, it may be even more helpful that he goes human and sticks around the Inquisition AND they get to remember him, identify with him as a fellow person, and gradually learn that there is nothing to be afraid of, in itself, about spirits.
Solas is more knowledgeable and powerful but we shouldn't take his knowledge as the best path. He has character flaws.
Varric is less knowledgeable and prone to more frequent mistakes, but he also seems to be more open to grow from them and be a better person from them.
This decision may come down to whether you want to take the path of 'personal growth' for Cole, even with the pain that will require, and the sacrifice of some of his more useful spiritual abilities.
He's a better entity regardless of what you choose. No longer in a still-weird space between worlds (he was worse in Asunder but still). You just decide how. I like to think he'll end up enriching the Fade in his own way (after Inquisition+Expansions) as a 'Spirit', but end up enriching Thedas in his own way as a 'Human'. Regardless, he can be an optional part of bridging the gap between worlds. The Breach may get fixed, but the experience of it may have cleaned out the Fade a little of its mass of demons building up (personal theory), and it may have ascended much of Thedas beyond the millenia-long status quo of how it interacts with the Fade. This may only be the Breach of things, but I think we can look forward to much more in the games ahead, assuming Bioware gets the green light (hehe) for them.
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