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[theblackfox]

I made him more human, because my trusty dwarf told me to.

[Darkelf1217]

Cole is absolutely my favorite companion in this game. As a rogue assassin he does more damage than any other party member can acheive if you combo his moves properly. The most damage I've seen my character do at this point is around 900 for one hit. (He's an elf mage btw). My best fighter is The Iron Bull who can do about 1200 as a max hit. Cole on one hit (I'd assume it was a crit) did 2350 points of damage. He was stealth and did shadow strike. Best. Combo. EVER.

The ONLY thing I would want more from Cole is the ability to romance him. He's so cute!

[Navasha]

I will be honest.   I find Cole interesting, but I don't find myself caring much about him one way or the other.   He's rather underdeveloped (which may fit as a spirit).    I suppose if someone read the books that he was in maybe they would feel differently.    However, not having done so and having only been introduced to the content in this game, he's pretty lackluster as a companion.

 

This is the problem with them using cross-media content.   Hopefully, in the future they will avoid that. 

[leaguer of one]

I chose to get rid of him because he is a Demon.

You chose to get rid of a person who only wanted to help people. Correct yourself.

[leaguer of one]

Human path is the better one in m view.

 

Cole learns things and stops being afraid about being hurt by people. He also finally understands what Rhys was trying to teach him back in Asunder.

 

Also a small banter between Solas and Cole implies the Spirit path may be a bad choice...

 

 

Solas: "How do you feel Cole?"

 

Cole: "I am me. I can not be bound. Broken. I will help the hurt and kill the killers."

 

Solas: "I see....I.....let me know if I can help."

Anyone who understood what happened with Anders and Justice would see making him a spirit was a bad idea.

[EmissaryofLies]

Why is being human automatically a good thing all of a sudden?

 

All of a sudden? 

 

They have arguably the best Origin story, their religion is ubiquitous, they are firmly the ruling elite of the surface, and Dragon Age II.

 

There is nothing sudden about it.

[leaguer of one]

I will be honest.   I find Cole interesting, but I don't find myself caring much about him one way or the other.   He's rather underdeveloped (which may fit as a spirit).    I suppose if someone read the books that he was in maybe they would feel differently.    However, not having done so and having only been introduced to the content in this game, he's pretty lackluster as a companion.

 

This is the problem with them using cross-media content.   Hopefully, in the future they will avoid that. 

The fact that he cares so much and he truely sees the depth of other people makes him developed enough. His story arc is about him learning to develop and how.

[leaguer of one]

I am always worried about having a spirit become more 'human'.  I do not believe we have a simple example of a 'human spirit', or anything that even approaches it as we have with Cole.  Last spirit that I saw that felt they had an idea on how this world works and what they should do in it, was Justice.  And we all know how that ended up.  Human emotions + spirit = demon.  I'll keep Cole as a spirit.  Thedas could use more compassion.

You got it wrong. What happen with Justic was due to him being too much of a spirit. He had no concept of how the real world was like and acted on impulse. Justice did not understand people.

[leaguer of one]

Cole is the artifact.We are the tomb robber,warping something that is more than we know,diminishing it in our attempt to make it fit in our tiny tiny world.

Dude, he already changed himself. At this point e are just giving advice. Added, if he is going to help and interact with us it's not a bad if he understands us and not be another Justice.

[BountyhunterGER]

Both are equally good in my oninion. The only thing that really counts is that he still wants to help people. And there is really no difference if he helps them in a more spirit or more human way.

But I have to make a decicion, right?

So I always end up making him more human (maybe I like the ability to learn).

[senior caliente]

Kept him a spirit, he can help, seems to accept it and move on after becoming more spiritly... I saw Solas as his guide and professional expert so went on with that.

[senior caliente]

All of a sudden? 

 

They have arguably the best Origin story, their religion is ubiquitous, they are firmly the ruling elite of the surface, and Dragon Age II.

 

There is nothing sudden about it.

Greedy humans, allways wanting more, and destroying what they dont understand....that whas my elven female mage talking.

[leaguer of one]

Greedy humans, allways wanting more, and destroying what they dont understand....that whas my elven female mage talking.

*Looks at Justice.

 

The samething can be said about spirits.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

He kind of creeped my inquisitor out but he let him stay and became fond of him in a weird way. Well meaning but a little on the depressing and dangerous side, lol.

 

Also feel the same way about Blackwall.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

I chose to get rid of him because he is a Demon.

he isnt demon enough

 

i wanted him to be a true bloodthirsty throat slitter 

 

BUT NOPE

SPIRIT OR HUMAN

 

i wanted him to kill that templar so bad 

[Daerog]

Well... making him more spirit gives him the ability/chance to go back to the Fade, which he mentions in the post game party, but he decides to stay for now.

 

So, if you want Cole to eventually leave Thedas, being a Spirit is the best chance. If he is more human, he is stuck in Thedas.

 

I prefer making him more human, since it will allow him to not only be compassionate, but empathetic as well and I think he can better understand how to help people that way. Besides, he didn't really like being back in the Fade when he dropped in with the Inquisitor.

[DementedSheep]

The character I was playing probably would have made him more spirit like. If its a problem with a spirit she is going to trust Solas over Varric and what's so great about being human anyway? Varric says "he came through to be human, so let him be human" but that's...not how the situation came across to me. It sounds more like a spirit came across to help the real Cole but interacting with him and the trauma of failing to help made the spirit distressed/confused so it started to emulate him. It wasn't driven by a desire to become human for it's own sake. 

 

That said a spirit becoming more aware, human like and gaining the capacity to truly learn and understand things in a wider context sounds more interesting and a more fitting conclusion to his story than just helping a confused spirit back to it's normal state so I made him more human anyway. That and "Cole" is awfully stabby when he doesn't understand the full situation and I think him being more simplistic would make him more prone to becoming a demon. 

[SwordofMercy1]

I don't think that's what Bioware was going for in that he has to be tethered to anger to be human. I mean, Varric even says as the quest starts that it appears that Cole is partly or becoming human, simply by being in the mortal world. This is because Cole is probably learning how dynamic humans are through their emotions and learning to adapt. A person who is sad about the death of a relative is not going to deal with it the same as another. Bond levels are different, coping mechanisms are different, people to their very core are different. Cole himself, is different in his own sense of humanly way.
 
However, I think what Bioware is leaning toward for Cole becoming human is his lack of personal identity. In Asunder, Cole thought he was the ghost of a mage that died in the tower and was compelled to live that 'life'. When he finds out this isn't true, he runs away, but is still compelled to help others in the few ways he knows how; killing them, making them forget etc. Now we get to his personal quest, where for the first time, he not only feels rage, but also thinks/feels for himself. He's not angry because the old Cole is (since he's dead), he's angry because that's what he actually feels as a semi-human being. Heck, I'd be pretty p***** too if I had to watch my friend starve to death and the person responsible get away. What's more, this is an analogy to that people themselves are imperfect, and the belief that in order to grow, we have to make mistakes, we have to sin, and from that, we have to learn. Cole simply learned that in order to help others, he must also help himself, and in order to do that, he must learn who he is. If he thinks pulling the trigger on a man who regrets his actions will help, I will let him, but he must accept the consequences as his own person.

 

... And this kinda came from Solas saying, "One can not simply change their nature with a thought." Uh, yes you can Solas. It's starts with a thought, then grows into action. Carl Rogers said, "The greatest paradox in the world is that only when we accept ourselves for who we are, are we then given the ability to change." Cole doesn't need someone telling him who he is because it's his nature. He needs to find that on his own.

 

That's my  bit anyway.

[PorcelynDoll]

When I read the title of this thread I thought there would be an Epic Rap Battle.

[Fortlowe]

I see Cole as a tremendous threat. Remember the exchange with the demon in the Fade? Cole and that demon are two of a kind. And when Cole goes back to shanking innocents, and it will because that's it's first and truer instinct, then being mortal will make it easier to permanently dispatch.

Making Cole entirely spirit all but guarantees closing the breach at Adamant was a waste of time. Blinky 2.0 will already be on this side of the Veil.

[SwordofMercy1]

I think I read in another post that though the Nightmare and Cole are spirits of Compassion, their methods are different. Cole counsels people so that they forget their pain and then him shortly after. The Nightmare, in his spirit form, eased people fears by absorbing and then containing them so that they would not spread. The only reason why the spirit turned into Nightmare, was because Coryphesuseses corrupted him, as Solas said that spirits adapt to how mortals see them. The fears that it had inside it probably made it impossible to turn back.

In a way, they kinda represent the different levels and methods of compassion people have. Some people show compassion by listening, other by touching (hugging), and then you get those people who show they care by telling you to get your head out of your butt.

[ewauksonian]

I think Cole is perhaps the advent of something new - a link between Spirit & human, and I think giving him the chance to explore that unique state of being is the best option.  Also, when I turned him towards the Spirit path in my first playthrough I got a very disturbing cutscene later in the game where he made himself forget Cole and robotically states "you may continue to refer to me as Cole if you'd like" in this monotone voice...I don't know if this was because my approval was low with him, but it made me really sad.

I'm glad you mentioned this. As much as being a Spirit is what Cole is originally supposed to be, Cole making himself forget about being sad about the real Cole real creeps me out. It's like he literally loses a part of himself. This really disturbed me. He loses a part of himself. This is the consequence and the logical conclusion to making more a spirit out of him; eventually, he will discard most, if not all, of what makes the Spirit of Compassion as "Cole".

 

If you do make a spirit out of Cole, in banter, Blackwall initially disagrees with Cole making the Templar forget about the Templar's sadness with the real Cole, for similar reasons. (However, interestingly enough, when Cole asked if if it's better this way, Blackwall hesitates and says he doesn't know).

 

However, there is a separate debate I find here. Which change makes him more likely to become a demon? This hard to answer. Solas implies spirits that become demons are spirits that come into contact with "bad" real-life things. However, does making Cole more human means he's more susceptible to this because he's coming close to real life? Or does making Cole more a spirit means he becomes more susceptible to become a demon because he's closer to a spirit now?

[ERINII]

I need to make him more human so I can adopt him later.

[MiyuEmi]

Spirit, because that's what he is and I was against forcing him to change to suit me in my playthroughs.  IMO, there are serious dangers to a spirit attempting to become more human, which you learn in the banter between himself and Solas.  I didn't want him to have any chance of becoming a dangerous demon, so spirit all the way.