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[ArvinDulku]

Precisely that is why Elven Mage is the best. DAI is a game that will allow Elven Inquisitors to grow as a character. 

 

Well, I'll just have to disagree then.

 

Currently running both a Pragmatic Human Noble Warrior and Andrastian Female Elf Archer, and while enjoying both, my Marcus is much much easier to make sense of head canon wise.

[jellobell]

This, so very this.

 

And I don't get the Dalish Elf has best story-line bit, cause considering outside he who will not be named, the game spends its entire length shitting on everything the Dalish believe to be their history.

 

Spoiler

They got their entire history wrong, marks were slave markings, their gods aren't real (or at least not what they believe them to be), real immortal elves consider them shemlen as well (ha ha) and most hilarious of all, the Fall of the Dales was caused by the elves themselves as the butchering of humans in cold blood at Red Crossing began the damn war.

 

So yeah, don't see it.

That's what makes it so interesting to play as an elf. All of that stuff actually matters to you. Crisis of faith. The temple of mythal is way more affecting if you actually have a connection to the history.

 

Also, I felt really invested in the first half of the game as a elven mage as well, since she was technically an apostate, while also being dalish. People even brought this up with reference to the mage/templar war. Also makes more sense for you to be at the conclave, because you'd be invested in seeing how things were going and whether the templars would start indiscriminately hunting even dalish mages (since every clan has at least two).

 

And then you get to the second half of the game and you get a ton of bombs dropped on you concerning your people's past.

[Addai]

I played an elven mage first and story-wise, I'm not sure anything can top it. Peaked on first run.

 

At the moment I'm playing an Andrastian human and it's got some story elements too obviously, but for me Trevelyan is just Cousland without the tragic family background. Boring.

[Mykel54]

This game is a lot more human centered than say DAO, where as dwarf you could visit Orzammar, as a city elf your home, as a dalish the eluvian connection. The other races are fine, but the one i really wanted - city elf, was not there. The human protagonist makes most sense imho for being there, the whole spy business seems forced to me. The qunari one is better done, but still feels strange to be the inquisitor and at the same time look nothing like the people you command.

[Chari]

Pffft

We, elven maidens, got to romance

Spoiler

A GOD

and got our hearts broken

That beats any fancy orlesian human party

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Trevelyans = Couslands - Tragedy.

 

Frankly it is dull and boring.

 

I mean, I am only playing male mage Trevelyan because male mage Lavellan looks like a freak. 

 

You would only want to play human if you want easy approval and easy RP reasons to be pro-Chantry. 

[Chari]

This, so very this.

 

And I don't get the Dalish Elf has best story-line bit, cause considering outside he who will not be named, the game spends its entire length shitting on everything the Dalish believe to be their history.

 

Spoiler

They got their entire history wrong, marks were slave markings, their gods aren't real (or at least not what they believe them to be), real immortal elves consider them shemlen as well (ha ha) and most hilarious of all, the Fall of the Dales was caused by the elves themselves as the butchering of humans in cold blood at Red Crossing began the damn war.

 

So yeah, don't see it.

Entire history? So the Arlathan didn't exist, elves don't exist, uthenara isn't a thing, the dreadwolf doesn't exist?

People need to realise that getting some things about lost history wrong is absolutely normal and not shameful. Especially if the history was preserved by oral tradition - in this case, it's inevitable. We nowadays can't even say what the heck happened 5 or 10 years ago. Elven culture got annihilated twice and had to restart twice. And they managed to save a lot, compared to many real world cultures. Heck, in my slavic culture we don't even remember our full pantheon. And we weren't even conquered

At least they don't call Mythal Mythanol and don't mistake fen'harel for a fox

Really, the dalish are doing pretty fine considering everything elves had to go through

[Karthak]

My first playthrough was as a female Qunari mage.

 

It was magnificent! People all over Orlais and Ferelden having their minds blown over the thought of an Ox being the Second Coming.

[Feybrad]

I love being a Qunari. The sheer Amount of Time I keep rubbing my Horns in People's Faces (metaphorically)...

[Doveberry]

This game is a lot more human centered than say DAO [snip]

Really disagree with you there. In DAO, I thought that the Couslands felt more connected to the narrative than any other origin.

Spoiler

Most of the game (at the very least the most important parts) took place in human lands, you actually had a reason to want to kill Arl Howe, and you could even end up on the Fereldan throne.

In this game, that role is filled by the elves. There is no other race to which the game's events matter so profoundly.

Spoiler

The whole herald thing turns out to be connected to Fen'Harel rather than the Maker, the whole story was set in motion because of what he did, and the breach was actually caused by an elven artifact. Add to that the scenes in the elven temple, the well of sorrows, Mythal's involvement and the post-credit scene, and you have a very elfy game indeed.

In addition to that, playing a mage as well as an elf connects you to the story on an even deeper level.

Spoiler

And finally, the interesting possibility of romancing elven god makes female elven mage by far the most interesting option in the entire game (in my less than humble opinion).

[mrs_anomaly]

I think there are valid and subjective reasons for any of the races to enjoy the experience throughout DAI and for it to have meaning for us. They all offer something. I'm going to run every one. I always prefer playing a human admittedly but I do run the other races at least once each. Huge amount of replay this way! 

[J G]

Female Elven Mage who romances Solas.

/endthread

[ArvinDulku]

Trevelyans = Couslands - Tragedy.
 
Frankly it is dull and boring.
 
I mean, I am only playing male mage Trevelyan because male mage Lavellan looks like a freak. 
 
You would only want to play human if you want easy approval and easy RP reasons to be pro-Chantry.

 
Gods no. 
 
Trevelyans are easily the most fun of the lot.
 
They are the only group of potential characters where you can legitimately RP as someone who understands the political and economical undertones of the Inquisition coming into power. They are the only ones you can legitimately take all the conversations perks for because either as a noble or a circle mage, you have access to the education that makes it viable.
 
They allow the most varied and breathable space to RP a characters you wish to make. And no, My current guy is mostly Andrastian rather than chantry centric (and I love there is a clear distinction), whereas my future female circle mage will mostly...something, and the fact as a circle mage I can RP the personal experience of how she perceives her circle life, well...that's cool as ****.
 
Whilst I am enjoying my Elf run, its mostly because she is such a blunt instrument, its a hilarity how offensive she is to everyone.
 
My Human on the other hand, I love simply because he is an awesome character, for me at least.
 
But personal choice and all that, feel free to disagree. 

[LobselVith8]

This, so very this.

And I don't get the Dalish Elf has best story-line bit, cause considering outside he who will not be named, the game spends its entire length shitting on everything the Dalish believe to be their history.

Spoiler

They got their entire history wrong, marks were slave markings, their gods aren't real (or at least not what they believe them to be), real immortal elves consider them shemlen as well (ha ha) and most hilarious of all, the Fall of the Dales was caused by the elves themselves as the butchering of humans in cold blood at Red Crossing began the damn war.

So yeah, don't see it.

Spoiler

Entire history would be inaccurate. Some of their history, but not all of it.

Vallaslin is also worn by the priests of Mythal's temple, suggesting it's a little more complicated than what we may think.

Giving the scroll to the Dalish addresses that the war between the elves of the Dales and humans of Orlais was caused by both sides. It's not one-sided, which is why the Dalish concede they were wrong to think it was entirely caused by the humans.

I got a lot out of my run as a Dalish Inquisitor. You get to help the Dalish become a leader of a city-state in the Free Marches, you can help the elves of Orlais by putting Briala in power, and you become a symbol as an elven hero.

[ArvinDulku]

Entire history? So the Arlathan didn't exist, elves don't exist, uthenara isn't a thing, the dreadwolf doesn't exist?
People need to realise that getting some things about lost history wrong is absolutely normal and not shameful. Especially if the history was preserved by oral tradition - in this case, it's inevitable. We nowadays can't even say what the heck happened 5 or 10 years ago. Elven culture got annihilated twice and had to restart twice. And they managed to save a lot, compared to many real world cultures. Heck, in my slavic culture we don't even remember our full pantheon. And we weren't even conquered
At least they don't call Mythal Mythanol and don't mistake fen'harel for a fox
Really, the dalish are doing pretty fine considering everything elves had to go through

 
Actually, yes, entire history.
 
The fact they got snippets right mean nothing when all the big things are wrong.
 

Spoiler

Arlathan fell not to Tevinter, but possibly a slave rebellion. The Dalish are the not the descendants of the high elves (or the DAI version of it) but rather the lowly slaves. Their marks of worship are in fact slave marking. They started the war that lost them the Dales.

So yes, the foundation of their oral history is not only suspect but mostly rubbish. I'll admit, the inherently anti-dalish part of me got a kick everytime some new revelation kicked in.

But I am sorry, I think i'll just stop it here.
 

Spoiler

Giving the scroll to the Dalish addresses that the war between the elves of the Dales and humans of Orlais was caused by both sides. It's not one-sided, which is why the Dalish concede they were wrong to think it was entirely caused by the humans.

I have to disagree with this bit.

I went back to re-read the scroll, and no matter how you twist it, the Elves started it.

Spoiler

All historical points agree that Red Crossing was the catalyst, and the scroll proves the elves did in fact butcher humans in cold blood under no provocation of arms.

[Chari]

 
Actually, yes, entire history.
 
The fact they got snippets right mean nothing when all the big things are wrong.
 

Spoiler

Arlathan fell not to Tevinter, but possibly a slave rebellion. The Dalish are the not the descendants of the high elves (or the DAI version of it) but rather the lowly slaves. Their marks of worship are in fact slave marking. They started the war that lost them the Dales.

So yes, the foundation of their oral history is not only suspect but mostly rubbish. I'll admit, the inherently anti-dalish part of me got a kick everytime some new revelation kicked in.

But I am sorry, I think i'll just stop it here.
 

I have to disagree with this bit.

I went back to re-read the scroll, and no matter how you twist it, the Elves started it.

Spoiler

All historical points agree that Red Crossing was the catalyst, and the scroll proves the elves did in fact butcher humans in cold blood under no provocation of arms.

"Entire" means "Having no part excluded or left out; whole". Meaning nothing would be true. And that is a lie by default - if at least some parts are true, it is not 100%, it is not whole, it is not entire

The Dalish believe the Arlathan existed, it is true. They believe ancient elves were immortal - it is partly true. They believe in a pantheon of Gods - and mostly they speak truth: Mythal exists, so does Fen'Harel. They believe that the vallaslin is connected to their pantheon and this is partly true, too. Etc. Etc.

Meaning that quite a big chunk of lore they do get right. There are many mistakes in details, but that's inevitable and is not shameful in any way. Oral tradition is terribly unreliable compared to written tradition. People's memories change, they mix words, meanings, they have different opinions and views. That's normal. Or do you imply that we slavs got our culture and history "completelly wrong" just because we don't remember our full pantheon or some parts of culture? What nonsense is this?

Plus, you said it yourself - you dislike the dalish therefore you arent even interested in a proper discussion. Therefore, you kinda fail by default

[ArvinDulku]

 

Plus, you said it yourself - you dislike the dalish therefore you arent even interested in a proper discussion. Therefore, you kinda fail by default

 

 

Fail by default? All I did was acknowledge that I may be biased, cause I am inherently anti-Dalish.

 

But okay, whatever rocks ya boat mate.

[Sidney]

I played an elven mage first and story-wise, I'm not sure anything can top it. Peaked on first run.
 
At the moment I'm playing an Andrastian human and it's got some story elements too obviously, but for me Trevelyan is just Cousland without the tragic family background. Boring.

Yeah I am sorta staring at my second attempt and not sure where to go from the non Andstraian eleven Mage. The story works so well, the Cass romance works so well I just don't see what tops it. Guess a devout chantry servant might be close.

[Feybrad]

You know what y'all should do?

 

Submit to the Qun, that's what you should do.

[RedWulfi]

Human Warrior/Templar has very interesting dialogue. More than with being a mage.

[hong]

And I don't get the Dalish Elf has best story-line bit, cause considering outside he who will not be named, the game spends its entire length shitting on everything the Dalish believe to be their history.

Exactly. All of that is about the Dalish, and thus, if you're a Dalish, it's about you.

[LobselVith8]

Spoiler

Arlathan fell not to Tevinter, but possibly a slave rebellion. The Dalish are the not the descendants of the high elves (or the DAI version of it) but rather the lowly slaves. Their marks of worship are in fact slave marking. They started the war that lost them the Dales.

Spoiler

We have snippets of information, and no concrete information about who the Dalish are descended from; we also know that vallaslin were on the faces of the priests at the temple.

I have to disagree with this bit.

I went back to re-read the scroll, and no matter how you twist it, the Elves started it.

Spoiler

While the Dalish who read the entire scroll mention both sides committed wrongs against one another, and it's why they admit they were wrong to think humans were entirely to blame. It's said humans and elves wronged one another. One incident simply wasn't it. It's like pointing to Meredith's Right of Annulment, and forgoing all the other events that took place at the time.

If the quest makes a point to say it's not as black and white as one incident or one side, I see no point in refuting it.

[ArvinDulku]

Exactly. All of that is about the Dalish, and thus, if you're a Dalish, it's about you.

 

I am not sure getting...well, lets say mocked, for the entire game sound like a fun experience.

 

My elf is anti dalish anyway, so its funny for her, but I doubt I could play an actual Dalish elf who believes and not feel like the game hates my protag,

 

I mean I am loving it personally, but I tend to get attached to my protags...so no angst for me eh?

[hong]

I am not sure getting...well, lets say mocked, for the entire game sound like a fun experience.
 
My elf is anti dalish anyway, so its funny for her, but I doubt I could play an actual Dalish elf who believes and not feel like the game hates my protag,
 
I mean I am loving it personally, but I tend to get attached to my protags...so no angst for me eh?

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