[Possible Spoilers, I guess??? For those who didn't read the codex and didn't play DA:A???]
Who else thinks he is one of the ancient Magisters who entered the Black City? Apparently there were four. One was the Corypheus/the Conductor, one was eaten by the third one [who I guess survived?] and the fourth fled. Or sth like that
I believe the fourth was the Architect
There are lot of hints, even proofs, sort of. I doubt it's unbelievable. Some folk might ask why he doesn't tell us - and it's very likely he just doesn't remember. Probably due to being reborn over and over in bodies of darkspawn or even the wardens until his memory just "restarts". Plus apparently the magisters went crazy in BC and that's probably another reason
Also, in the Calling it was revealed that he doesn't even understands the notion of day and night, hence he can hardly tell how old he is. What is the time to an immortal being, amiright?
His "name" is a good proof too in my opinion. The Magisters used pseudonyms to hide their real names. Corypheus at first could hardly remember himself, the Architect probably remembers only the title. It also might be an explanation of his role in the group - he probably created plans, maybe he was responsible for economy and infrastructure of the Ancient Tevinter
Whether it is true or not, there might be one or more ancient magisters left. Somewhere. Somehow
A curious codex entry as a proof/hint
Spoiler
Codex: A different Darkspawn?
The journal, penned by an unknown writer, appears to be quite old, with many of its pages damaged by water and dust. The entries that can be read all appear to be about twenty years old.
We finally found Amuk alive in that passage. Still can't believe it. The only reason I didn't stop digging was because he had the key to the cache--But, after two weeks, I was expecting to find his corpse. What story does he come up with? That he was found by a Darkspawn, of all things. A talking Darkspawn, polite as you please, who fed him and gave him water and evidently chatted with him about surfacers. I don't know what Amuk is thinking, coming up with a story like that, but he swore by the Stone that it was all the truth. Crazy as it sounds, I know Amuk, and he's got the imagination of a dull hammer. Why would he make something like that up?
Reminds me of a story my grandsire used to tell, about something his grandsire did. Said he once came upon a group of three Darkspawn in the deeper roads, each twice the size of any Dwarf-- bigger than Humans. He watched from the shadows and said they talked, like people, about things he couldn't understand. A city gone black, and blamed each other for things but could barely remember for what. My mam was like that: Never remembered the slight, just that she was angry. Story goes they attacked each other, and one ran off while the second choked the third to death and ate him.
Don't know about Darkspawn having talking kings, never mind polite ones that give you food and tea, but maybe Amuk met one of them. There's strange things in the deeper roads, after all, things the Shapers can't even recall. As if smuggling wasn't dangerous enough.
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I really hope a DLC for Inquisition gets him some limelight because that is a question Bioware should definitely answer. Also after Corypheus awoke, you'd think the first thing he would do would be to seek out his brothers who entered the city with him. It doesn't make sense for him to be the only one to have survived or been imprisoned after all this time.
The Architect is alive, Corypheus was, until recently; one codex entry tells us one dwarf once saw three of them fighting, with one dying and being eaten by the winner and another escaping.
I really hope a DLC for Inquisition gets him some limelight because that is a question Bioware should definitely answer. Also after Corypheus awoke, you'd think the first thing he would do would be to seek out his brothers who entered the city with him. It doesn't make sense for him to be the only one to have survived or been imprisoned after all this time.
At the temple of Dumat, there are memory crystals where Corypheus recorded his thoughts. He did search for them but could not find a single one.
So does the Mother. It's just a name. And not even a Tevinter one.
The name "Architect" came first, it's possible the Awakened Darskpawn chose after the same fashion.
However, one can't deny that there are many similarities between the Architect and Corypheus which go beyond their physical appearance; which is rather unique to begin with.
It's not a sure thing but what arguments are there for the Architect to not be one of the Seven?
The name "Architect" came first, it's possible the Awakened Darskpawn chose after the same fashion.
However, one can't deny that there are many similarities between the Architect and Corypheus which go beyond their physical appearance; which is rather unique to begin with.
It's not a sure thing but what arguments are there for the Architect to not be one of the Seven?
Did anyone else noticed that they both have these cute black "wings"?
Plus he's way too human-like for it to be just a concidence
A codex entry? "A New Kind of Darkspawn" I think it was
Ah, yea, that one.
Did a codex dive after checking this thread and Corypheus' entry claims there were seven, each a priest of a different old god. That being said, it also says they performed this all in secret and I'm not sure if that jives with the absolute massive human sacrifice that was said to power the ritual they used.
So does the Mother. It's just a name. And not even a Tevinter one.
Maybe the writers decided that Architect was close enough to Arkhitekton that they didn't need to translate it, or maybe the decision to have the magister's titles be in tevene hadn't been made yet.
The name "Architect" came first, it's possible the Awakened Darskpawn chose after the same fashion.
However, one can't deny that there are many similarities between the Architect and Corypheus which go beyond their physical appearance; which is rather unique to begin with.
It's not a sure thing but what arguments are there for the Architect to not be one of the Seven?
None of the powers Corypheus has.
No knowledge of literally anything concerning anything. Blame amnesia all you want.
Corypheus would know where the Architect is, the Architect being in an alliance with the Grey Wardens of Orlais and Ferelden
They have nothing in common besides clothing. Which really stretches it.
His lack of influence over the Blight, thought I guess that really is a part of my earlier point
I could name more, but these are pretty big ones to me.
Did a codex dive after checking this thread and Corypheus' entry claims there were seven, each a priest of a different old god. That being said, it also says they performed this all in secret and I'm not sure if that jives with the absolute massive human sacrifice that was said to power the ritual they used.
Maybe the writers decided that Architect was close enough to Arkhitekton that they didn't need to translate it, or maybe the decision to have the magister's titles be in tevene hadn't been made yet.
Someone on BRN gave me an interesting idea - what if every Old God was corrupted by his own priest? Dumat by the Corypheus, for example? The Architect accidentaly corrupted the Urthemiel and he might as well be his priest (the God of Beauty and an architect - seems fitting). Etc
Meaning that there might be two magisters left. Who probably lost their memories just like the Architect
No knowledge of literally anything concerning anything. Blame amnesia all you want.
Corypheus would know where the Architect is, the Architect being in an alliance with the Grey Wardens of Orlais and Ferelden
They have nothing in common besides clothing. Which really stretches it.
His lack of influence over the Blight, thought I guess that really is a part of my earlier point
I could name more, but these are pretty big ones to me.
Corypheus was rather confused after awakening. The fact that the Architect too can't remember how he came to be only strengthens the possibility he was a Magisters. He might have simply been affected more severely than Corypheus.
Fair point but something could have happened. No Grey Wardens mentions the Architect after DA2.
Their forms are nearly identical. They are the only darkspawn with human features, they both tower over everyone else, they both wear what appear to be regal robes that have been partially fused with their flesh (probably what they were wearing at the time of the ritual), they both wear ridiculously large shoulder pads, they are both mages, they both have claws for hands.
The Architect was capable of making the Taint within a Grey Warden speed up so they experience a false Calling. Which is exactly what Corypheus did to the Wardens in DAI.
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If the architect was a magister surely when the warden killed him he would have transferred into a warden's body.
It seems that the magisters might have different abilities. I believe the Architect either was transferred to Seranni or some other darkspawn. Maybe he is just a talking darkspawn, but, really? That would be a ridicilously funny coincidence
If the architect was a magister surely when the warden killed him he would have transferred into a warden's body.
I don't think that's a definite. There's no reason to believe all the magisters had the same powers or were equal in power. Just because the Conductor can body surf doesn't mean the Architect can do the same.
Which, of course, doesn't mean that he can't. Would be a way to bring him back if they have plans for him.
It seems that the magisters might have different abilities. I believe the Architect either was transferred to Seranni or some other darkspawn. Maybe he is just a talking darkspawn, but, really? That would be a ridicilously funny coincidence
Except for all the other talking darkspawn in Awakening?
Except for all the other talking darkspawn in Awakening?
He was the first, he created them
It's actually another proof - he can play with the Taint like no one else. That is not some basic magic abilities. He can bring the Calling faster without a person losing their mind. Heck, Seranni isn't a warden yet she isn't losing her mind, apparently
Sth is up with the Architect, he is exceptional, he looks like a magister, he has unique magical abilities, unique backstory. Unless the Bioware declares that the Architect isn't an anicent magister, I'll continue to believe he is
The other talking darkspawn in Awakening are specifically creations of the Architect himself via the awakening ritual he created.
The options at this point are that the Architect is a magister or he's a freak anomaly. Either's possible.
They aren't creations of the Architect. They're Awakened darkspawn. The process that spawned them, could have caused him to exist.
He was the first, he created them
It's actually another proof - he can play with the Taint like no one else. That is not some basic magic abilities. He can bring the Calling faster without a person losing their mind. Heck, Seranni isn't a warden yet she isn't losing her mind, apparently
Sth is up with the Architect, he is exceptional, he looks like a magister, he has unique magical abilities, unique backstory. Unless the Bioware declares that the Architect isn't an anicent magister, I'll continue to believe he is
You have a very different definition of proof than the rest of the world. He doesn't control the Taint, although since even Avernus can do that, it would mean nothing. Cory can actually influence minds. He doesn't look like a magister, he just dresses like a mage. He has no unique magical abilities. Everyone has a unique backstory once they get a name and five minutes of screentime. That's great. Until the opposite, I'll go on believing he isn't. Especially with slim to nil in favor of it.
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