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Yea, but you send him into the fade by opening a rift inside his body, there by tearing him inside out. That'd kill him.

It is magic, it is never that simple. BioWare probably had Corypheus "die" this way, specifically so that they could bring him back, if they ever felt like it, or leave him dead.


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It is magic, it is never that simple. BioWare probably had Corypheus "die" this way, specifically so that they could bring him back, if they ever felt like it, or leave him dead.

 

Fair point. Would be an ass pull, but fair point.


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No they do not. The Children call him that. 

Architect is not a greek word. Arkhitektōn is. If they wanted to use that, they could have easily. 

The Children cannot even talk... The Mother and her Darkspawn call the Architect "the Father", and only the Messenger names The Architect

 

And I was talking about the root word here, of which architect IS greek. Archtect is an english bastardisation of the ancient greek arkhitekton, but there is already an english term for the same thing: Chief builder. Conductor is NOT an english bastardisation of corypheus, but instead is a latin loanword.

 

Conclusion being, that wether or not the word in their name and/or title is greek or not, is completely irrelevant.



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Fair point. Would be an ass pull, but fair point.

They resurrected Lelianna, and have yet to explain why. Don't be surprised if they attempt to use Corypheus again, as some sort of Darkspawn "deity" or something.



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They resurrected Lelianna, and have yet to explain why. Don't be surprised if they attempt to use Corypheus again, as some sort of Darkspawn "deity" or something.

 

Never the less, I'd like to think that Corypheus' part in the story is done with and that if they need that particular role filled in the future, they'll either use one of the remaining old gods or another magister.



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In the case of Cory, could Conductor have the connotation of a conduit for power instead of the musical one?

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In the case of Cory, could Conductor have the connotation of a conduit for power instead of the musical one?

 

According to his DAI codex entry it seems to play more into that he was the one organizing the efforts of the seven, as a conductor would organize an orchestra. 


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According to his DAI codex entry it seems to play more into that he was the one organizing the efforts of the seven, as a conductor would organize an orchestra. 

That is a great way of putting his name into context.



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According to his DAI codex entry it seems to play more into that he was the one organizing the efforts of the seven, as a conductor would organize an orchestra.

Thanks. Although 80% of the lore seems to be incorrectly remembered so I could be right

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There's a reference to the Architect in DA:I. It's a Codex you find during the Well, **** quest.

 

You go to Vallamar and read one of the books in a chamber. The text will be titled A Different Darkspawn?

 

For those who read The Calling they'll identify the description of that darkspawn's peculiar behaviour right away.

Hint: he saves a dwarf's life.  ^_^


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According to his DAI codex entry it seems to play more into that he was the one organizing the efforts of the seven, as a conductor would organize an orchestra. 

 

Assuming the Architect was one of the magisters, perhaps he was the one who created the plan to invade the Golden City. Could he have been the architect of the plan?



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Hint: he saves a dwarf's life. ^_^

My bae <3>
I hope that if we let him live then he and our wardens make a good team
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Even after Cory, I still like keeping the Architect alive. Still supportive. 

 

And I suspect the Warden's quest to cure the Calling might be aided by the Architect. Just a guess. Could have nothing to do with it.


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Awakening:  The architect only remembers being the way he has always been, a talking darkspawn with different powers.  He used his knowledge to manipulate the taint in other darkspawn to create the "mother" and the other awakened darkspawn.  In awakening, all of the architect's followers called him the architect, but it was the mother's followers who called him the father.  He created all the awakened darkspawn.  His name could mean he was the "architect" behind the awakening of other darkspawn, but there was just too much to his story for me to believe that.  As for him possibly jumping bodies, this is the way bioware will possibly bring him back.  He could normally survive, or be killed in awakening, if killed this is the way they will bring him back.

 

 

Theory:  Ive always thought the architect was one of the 7 magisters, it just made so much sense back during awakening.  As for corypheus searching for the other magisters, i doubt he looked very hard, or even in the deep roads at all.  If we go by the timeline, hawke released corypheus in his first year of kirkwall....  This would mean corypheus would have 9 years to search for the other magisters...  Ok, thats all well and good... but if he had 9 years to run around and do things, why were the orlesian wardens only under his command, instead why wouldnt he have gotten all of them, especially those in weisshaupt?  This is what makes me wonder of how hard he actually searched.  As for the architect, yeah i killed him, but he probably jumped bodies as a plot dodge, but im ok with that.  It just makes sense, it just does.

 

 

So, we have 3 major villain/sort of villain factions going on here in the dragon age games....  we have the old gods/arch demons faction with only 2 left, besides urthemial's soul....  flemeth/elven gods faction (this is the sort of villain category, cause we have no clue).... and finally the ancient magister's faction....  I would love to see a future game where the archdemon/blight faction and ancient magister faction are the main villains at the same time... maybe another magister rises, or corypheus survives, or maybe the rest of the magisters team up and we are forced to fight 2 separate wars, the blight and the fight against the magisters....  What would be worse than a blight with the original magisters at its head... and maybe the architect teams up with the protagonist to help stop them, or at least kind of helps...  or just screws things up... idk


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So, we have 3 major villain/sort of villain factions going on here in the dragon age games....  we have the old gods/arch demons faction with only 2 left, besides urthemial's soul....  flemeth/elven gods faction (this is the sort of villain category, cause we have no clue).... and finally the ancient magister's faction....  I would love to see a future game where the archdemon/blight faction and ancient magister faction are the main villains at the same time... maybe another magister rises, or corypheus survives, or maybe the rest of the magisters team up and we are forced to fight 2 separate wars, the blight and the fight against the magisters....  What would be worse than a blight with the original magisters at its head... and maybe the architect teams up with the protagonist to help stop them, or at least kind of helps...  or just screws things up... idk

 

You know what I find funny about the magisters.. 

 

Is that their basic motivation is good. They hate the blights. Corypheus hates waking up to this "blighted world". Architect does too. No different than Wardens really.

 

The funny part is that the Chantry is supportive of blights. Not directly.. just that it's meant to be. It's the Maker's punishment. 

 

Who is the villain here exactly?


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I'm just going to throw this crazy vein of speculation out here, but after reading everything in here and thinking of some of the uncanny similarities....

 

Could Flemeth actualy be one of them? 



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I really would like my warden to say this if you spared the architect:

"Im going to call in a favour"
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Yes I have been supporting this theory since playing the Legacy. The similarity between Cory and Architect is just too striking to be coincidence.



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.If we go by the timeline, hawke released corypheus in his first year of kirkwall....  This would mean corypheus would have 9 years to search for the other magisters...  Ok, thats all well and good... but if he had 9 years to run around and do things, why were the orlesian wardens only under his command, instead why wouldnt he have gotten all of them, especially those in weisshaupt?  This is what makes me wonder of how hard he actually searched.  As for the architect, yeah i killed him, but he probably jumped bodies as a plot dodge, but im ok with that.  It just makes sense, it just does.

 

 

I don't think the DLC has a definite place on the timeline. It all depends on when you play it. For example you can play the DLC with one of Hawke's siblings as a Grey Warden (as I did with Bethany), which can't happen until after the Deep Roads expedition. In my playthrough the events of the DLC occured during Hawke's last year in Kirkwall, after dealing with the Qunari.



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When I played Legacy, I assumed Coryphephish had to be connected to The Architect.  Now, I think it's at least somewhat likely that they just liked his design and wanted to use it again.



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Added a codex entry

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I'm just going to throw this crazy vein of speculation out here, but after reading everything in here and thinking of some of the uncanny similarities....

Could Flemeth actualy be one of them?

Yes because she is totally a Darkspawn with clothing fused to her face and memory problems. I don't know how we all missed it. O.o

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Yes because she is totally a Darkspawn with clothing fused to her face and memory problems. I don't know how we all missed it. O.o

Flemeth can shape shift and change form, but also has the uncanny ability to place a peice of herself someplace to use to bring her back to life.  And I think according to morrigan was the one that came up with the plan to have morrigan absorb an old god through having a baby when arch daemon dies type of thing?  Also Corypheus a few times is talked about being connected to the blight and using it for his own purposes but not actualy being a darkspawn.

 

I know its a stretch and probably not the case but with the info we have it wouldn't be too terribly difficult for them to weave flemeth in as one of the 7 that maybe didn't get as corrupted or something.



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Flemeth can shape shift and change form, but also has the uncanny ability to place a peice of herself someplace to use to bring her back to life.  And I think according to morrigan was the one that came up with the plan to have morrigan absorb an old god through having a baby when arch daemon dies type of thing?  Also Corypheus a few times is talked about being connected to the blight and using it for his own purposes but not actualy being a darkspawn.

 

I know its a stretch and probably not the case but with the info we have it wouldn't be too terribly difficult for them to weave flemeth in as one of the 7 that maybe didn't get as corrupted or something.

 

I think Flemeth could revive through the amulet because of the whole Mythal thing. The altar Marethari sends you to is an altar to Mythal.



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I really would like my warden to say this if you spared the architect:

"Im going to call in a favour"

 

Hordes of Hurlocks appear and present themselves to the Warden while our Inquisitor and his party stand there baffled.

 

:D