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[Artillis22]

I think Flemeth could revive through the amulet because of the whole Mythal thing. The altar Marethari sends you to is an altar to Mythal.

But then also what about flemeths "taking over daughters" stuff to live longer?  As to the whole mythal thing im skeptical about its sources since I got the impression as well from felmeth that it was just anouther name for her, type of thing and just because elves viewed her as as god didnt mean she was one type of thing.  At least thats the impression I got.  Though I suppose one thing that could shoot down my theory the most would be time frame.  How long ago did the elves start worshipping Mythal and how long ago did the incident happen with the 7 going into the black city?  It it was close to the same time....

[Ranadiel Marius]

But then also what about flemeths "taking over daughters" stuff to live longer? As to the whole mythal thing im skeptical about its sources since I got the impression as well from felmeth that it was just anouther name for her, type of thing and just because elves viewed her as as god didnt mean she was one type of thing. At least thats the impression I got. Though I suppose one thing that could shoot down my theory the most would be time frame. How long ago did the elves start worshipping Mythal and how long ago did the incident happen with the 7 going into the black city? It it was close to the same time....

Mythal was killed centuries before the 7 entered the city and I believe that we know Flemeth was born centuries after that (her birth year was in World of Theda's as I recall).

[Former_Fiend]

Mythal goes back to prehistory.. the "Ancient Age" (ages weren't counted until after Andraste). Flemeth, the human woman, however was born in the Steel Age, I think. But whatever spirit in control of her is old as hell.

 

Flemeth, the human woman, was born at the beginning of the Towers Age, shortly before the Third Blight.

[Artillis22]

Was playing today and got interesting tid bits of knowledge from game about how the first blight was started by coryphius.  Sooo if blights are supposed to be when darkspawn dig down and wake up old gods but the first ever blight was actualy started by coryphius, do old gods even exist and are the old gods / archdaemons actualy just the 7 after they broke into the black city and are darkspawn their creations when their magic meddling at striving to play god warped stuff in the black city?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Was playing today and got interesting tid bits of knowledge from game about how the first blight was started by coryphius.  Sooo if blights are supposed to be when darkspawn dig down and wake up old gods but the first ever blight was actualy started by coryphius, do old gods even exist and are the old gods / archdaemons actualy just the 7 after they broke into the black city and are darkspawn their creations when their magic meddling at striving to play god warped stuff in the black city?

The Archdemons are seperate creatures to the original Darkspawn, and are certainly very real.

[Sifr]

I imagine the Architect being a dreamer, one whose job was to shape the fade when they arrived.

If David Gaider doesn't write a heist-style novel about the seven Magisters, I might be forced to write a fanfic. And I can't believe I'm even considering it.

 

So the Architect is their equivalent to Ariadne in the Magister's version of Inception? Good luck getting anyone to kiss him as a distraction...

[Clockwork_Wings]

I find the theory that the Architect is a magister who just forgot to be...really boring.  I can't even put into words why I dislike it so much, except that maybe amnesia is difficult to pull off in a way that doesn't sound like lazy writing. 

 

Here's my theory:

 

One of the seven was female.  She'd have become the first of the broodmothers, which would make sense because, to my knowledge, ghouls do not become broodmothers on their own, nor can make them.  Broodmothers don't appear on the surface, and until meeting Hespith and Laryn in the Deep Roads, I'm not given to understand that the broodmothers were widely-known, at least not to Alistair and definitely not the PC. 

 

So she becomes the first broodmother and the Architect is one of her emissary alphas.  He's a genetic throwback to the magisters, but not a magister himself. 

 

The book describes him just as "emissary," not "really tall, almost humanoid-looking, with Tevinter armor fused into his flesh."  Perhaps he mutates as he ages, like the children?

 

Or maybe he's a baby archedemon.  I've been reading on here and TVtropes implications about red lyrium having the blight.  It means lyrium is alive, and something I read said that the blight seems to predate the magisters.  Maybe archdemons are just a different form of alpha darkspawn?

 

Given the number of times something in this game floored me, I'm thinking none of the theories listed here are true.

[Merle McClure II]

My personal theory is that the Architect is "merely" an Awakened Darkspawn, and was probably created by one of the actual Magisters. --- Although, if I remember correctly even in Origins the emissary were known as the only Darkspawn who had the power of speech.

 

As for him coming back, in my playthroughs he'd have to be able to bodysurf.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Remember that in the Calling, the Architect looked like a regular Hurlock Emissary so don't know if that has anything to do with it.

[Clockwork_Wings]

My personal theory is that the Architect is "merely" an Awakened Darkspawn, and was probably created by one of the actual Magisters. --- Although, if I remember correctly even in Origins the emissary were known as the only Darkspawn who had the power of speech.

 

As for him coming back, in my playthroughs he'd have to be able to bodysurf.

I'd be okay with that.  And it wouldn't surprise me if they plan that he can bodysurf, or he's replaced by Seranni, Utha, or an awakened, who's convinced that the warden-commander backed out on their deal.  We'd find out in codices and such that the warden-commander made a deal with the Architect, but other wardens took it upon themselves.

 

Like Dagna, I'm more or less okay with the destination being the same, as long as the journey's different.

Remember that in the Calling, the Architect looked like a regular Hurlock Emissary so don't know if that has anything to do with it.

And in 2 they weren't specified to be genlocks or hurlocks or whatever, just "emissaries."  Makes me wonder if they're rethinking darkspawn classes.

 

Why haven't we seen shriek emissaries?

 

And I seem to recall Awakening and The Calling being unable to decide between each other how common talking darkspawn are.  The first one to meet the Architect seems to mention emissaries shouting ultimatums at the battlefield, but I think he said no one had ever tried to figure out what they were saying.

 

Battle cries? Grr, argh, fear me?

[myahele]

I think itwas mention men and women magisters entered the city. So at least one was the original Brood mother and the ritual was based on her.

[Chari]

Bah
The Architect just gotta be a magister. The new codex entry makes it plainly obvious. There are hints, he was mentioned and the writer called him ds king. So, yeah, plus just look at Conductor and Architect. They look like brothers with the same taste in fashion

[Clockwork_Wings]

I got that impression with the codex entry, too, I just in no way have to like it.

It begs the question, though: where are the others? And how long ago did that dwarf's grandfather see them? Have they just been wandering about, griping at each other for two thousand years?

[Ranadiel Marius]

I got that impression with the codex entry, too, I just in no way have to like it.

It begs the question, though: where are the others? And how long ago did that dwarf's grandfather see them? Have they just been wandering about, griping at each other for two thousand years?

It wasn't his grandfather, it was his grandfather's grandfather. I've read that all species in Thedas have approximately the same lifespan, so assuming a range of 20-50 (although 50 is certainly pushing it) for age when son was born, that would put the three magisters as meeting sometime in the neighborhood of 120-300 years ago.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It wasn't his grandfather, it was his grandfather's grandfather. I've read that all species in Thedas have approximately the same lifespan, so assuming a range of 20-50 (although 50 is certainly pushing it) for age when son was born, that would put the three magisters as meeting sometime in the neighborhood of 120-300 years ago.

Still way after the First Blight, though?

 

TVTrope's Wild Mass Guessing page speculates, though, that darkspawn don't age.  There's an Ancient Darkspawn encountered in the Deep Roads wearing a very old gray warden helmet.  There'd be a precident like this in the real world.  Turtles or tortoises in the real world don't age as we do.  Something to do with their DNA.  It's theoretically possible that the magisters or the G1 darkspawn are still hanging out in the Deep Roads.

 

There's also people saying that codex implies memory damage in the three that he saw.  I didn't catch that.  Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

[garrusfan1]

No I doubt it. In DAA when asked why he is how he is he says he was born that way. Born a weird darkspawn.

[BHRamsay]

If the architect was a magister surely when the warden killed him he would have transferred into a warden's body.

You might have only THOUGHT you killed Utha and some of the remaining kidnapped Grey Wardens could have been nearby and both Sigrun and Velanna run off to the deep roads never to be seen again if your influence on them isn't high enough

considering that Anders was near not one, but possibly two such creatures his eventual fall into paranoia and madness (implied ingame) casts new light on his actions

[Dave of Canada]

While I'm not a fan of sparing the Architect as I've always seen him as a malevolent liar, Corypheus does throw a curve ball into that assumption. Now I'm beginning to think that the Architect is actually well-meaning, just incredibly detached from the world either from having gone insane through accessing the Black City or being isolated underground for centuries. He doesn't control Grey Wardens, he doesn't control Red Lyrium (though Corypheus has red lyrium growing from his body while Architect... not so much) and he doesn't mention anything relating to Tevinter which means he doesn't have the same insane plot that Corypheus does to rebuild the old world.

 

I'm half-tempted to keep the Architect alive because killing him is a waste of future storytelling but I feel terrible about letting him live.

[Clockwork_Wings]

While I'm not a fan of sparing the Architect as I've always seen him as a malevolent liar, Corypheus does throw a curve ball into that assumption. Now I'm beginning to think that the Architect is actually well-meaning, just incredibly detached from the world either from having gone insane through accessing the Black City or being isolated underground for centuries. He doesn't control Grey Wardens, he doesn't control Red Lyrium (though Corypheus has red lyrium growing from his body while Architect... not so much) and he doesn't mention anything relating to Tevinter which means he doesn't have the same insane plot that Corypheus does to rebuild the old world.

 

I'm half-tempted to keep the Architect alive because killing him is a waste of future storytelling but I feel terrible about letting him live.

I suspect if it comes to that, they'll do what they did with Dagna, and the destination will be the same, but the journey different.  We'll find out that, even if the warden-commander let the Architect live, a different group thought otherwise and had him dispatched in secret without the commander's knowledge, which will cause Utha, Seranni, or a random awakened nearby, to carry on his mission for him.

 

You know...as curious as I am about how DA2 and DAI would have been different if Valanna was Justice's host instead of Anders, I must wonder if they're hanging on to her until they come back to the intelligent, talking darkspawn.  As I recall, she doesn't die, no matter what, if recruited, but disappears in a stunning amount of ending slides?  Never not recruited her, so I don't know what happens then.

 

Love to get her and Solas in a room together.  That could be fun!

[Dave of Canada]

I suspect if it comes to that, they'll do what they did with Dagna, and the destination will be the same, but the journey different.  We'll find out that, even if the warden-commander let the Architect live, a different group thought otherwise and had him dispatched in secret without the commander's knowledge, which will cause Utha, Seranni, or a random awakened nearby, to carry on his mission for him.

 

Considering Serenni always lives even if you kill him, I think it would be easier to explain him surviving by possessing her off-screen. 

[Br3admax]

And then they can explain why Corypheus didn't find the Architect after a decade. Or, they could just not make him a magister . That works too. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

Considering Serenni always lives even if you kill him, I think it would be easier to explain him surviving by possessing her off-screen. 

And they may be setting her up for that, or a roll similar to Calpernia, She may even be a willing host, like

Spoiler

Solas appears to be for Flemeth

or something.

 

I've since 2 thought this was a really weird plot to just drop, but the fact that they keep referencing it makes me think they ARE planning something, otherwise Nathanial wouldn't have said anything and we wouldn't have gotten the codex on the friendly darkspawn. 

 

I'm also fairly certain we can speculate until then what the Architect is, the nature of the blight and the old gods, and not come up with the same answer that the devs have already decided.  They could be reading this right now and laughing their heads off.  "No, seriously guys, come look at what they think the Architect is!"