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[Paladin Ryan]

I have no idea why anybody would apply the  MMO loot logic, in which case rng based drops are all fine and good, to a single player game, where such is pointless and annoying. ALL schematics should have a potential static location. Keep them in random loot tables if you must but they should not only be obtainable through rng. It isn't fun and essentially turns what should be an awesome crafting system into a HORRIBLE waste of time just to get the schematics and masterwork materials you need... it is absurd.

[crimzontearz]

I have no idea why anybody would apply the MMO loot logic, in which case rng based drops are all fine and good, to a single player game, where such is pointless and annoying. ALL schematics should have a potential static location. Keep them in random loot tables if you must but they should not only be obtainable through rng. It isn't fun and essentially turns what should be an awesome crafting system into a HORRIBLE waste of time just to get the schematics and masterwork materials you need... it is absurd.

btw whoever said that already acquired schematics are removed from the random table is full of *****. I picked up the prowler armor schematics more than once already.

[Paladin Ryan]

btw whoever said that already acquired schematics are removed from the random table is full of *****. I picked up the prowler armor schematics more than once already.

No they definitely are. That being said there are 9 different prowler variants to find. Normal, sturdy, and superior of armor, coat, and mail. Also one thing I discovered is in a given area multiple copies of one schematic can spawn. I was farming the cradle and bypassed a normal tier 3 weapon attachment as it was the only item in the chest. I then found the same item in a later chest where there was another random item and took it. I completed the run and out of curiosity went to the chest where it was the only item and saved. It was still able to be looted but upon looting I received 1 gold instead of the schematic that was in there as I had already obtained it in another chest (obviously loading the save I made to restore the chest). Thus a few things were confirmed:

 

1) Multiples of one schematic CAN spawn in one area

2) When a schematic is obtained the game removes it as a possible loot item

3) In an area, existing additional copies of a looted schematic are replaced with one gold if they are the only item in a container (I assume this is a default of the         game if you interact with an "empty" container) and I assume it simply disappears from a container if there are other items in there to be listed upon interaction

 

None of these conclusions are especially relevant for farming but I suppose info is info.

[crimzontearz]

I definitely found the regular prowler armor schematics more than once and it is the only prowler armorI have right now soooo....I don't know


But my point remains.

This system is insanely frustrating

[Paladin Ryan]

I definitely found the regular prowler armor schematics more than once and it is the only prowler armorI have right now soooo....I don't know


But my point remains.

This system is insanely frustrating

 

All I can say is maybe you found it and then reloaded a save prior to finding it? Or perhaps found it on different characters? Or maybe looted prowler armor thinking it was the schematic? Or maybe your game derped. Wouldn't be the first time I hear of somebody's DAI doing something weird. All I can speak to is how it is supposed to work haha.

[crimzontearz]

Last one might be it

For instance the sturdy warden helm schematics I found today has the same stats as the regular one wich begs the question....what was the point?

[Paladin Ryan]

Last one might be it

Fir instance the sturdy warden helm schematics I found today has the same stats as the regular one wich begs the question....what was the point?

 

Um... well the superior warden helm has an additional metal piece in for utility, 7 as opposed to the 6 of the regular helmet. It isn't a huge difference but it is technically slightly better. You are correct though in that the armor rating is the same. This pattern holds true for many things in the game where the armor or damage will be the same as a more common schematic but it will have somewhat better secondary slots for utility, defense, or offense.

[crimzontearz]

Um... well the superior warden helm has an additional metal piece in for utility, 7 as opposed to the 6 of the regular helmet. It isn't a huge difference but it is technically slightly better. You are correct though in that the armor rating is the same. This pattern holds true for many things in the game where the armor or damage will be the same as a more common schematic but it will have somewhat better secondary slots for utility, defense, or offense.

maybe it's like that for the superior....but....The study is identical to the regular one in every respect


Which makes no sense

[Paladin Ryan]

maybe it's like that for the superior....but....The study is identical to the regular one in every respect


Which makes no sense

 

I'll be honest I didn't know sturdy warden helmets existed. Maybe as an item but as a schematic I only thought head gear could have regular and superior variants. Anyways if they are identical schematics I don't know what to tell you as I have never seen a sturdy warden helmet schematic. I don't claim to know everything. Far from it; I ask more questions about DAI than I answer tbh.

[crimzontearz]

I'll be honest I didn't know sturdy warden helmets existed. Maybe as an item but as a schematic I only thought head gear could have regular and superior variants. Anyways if they are identical schematics I don't know what to tell you as I have never seen a sturdy warden helmet schematic. I don't claim to know everything. Far from it; I ask more questions about DAI than I answer tbh.

I could take a screenshot if you like. They are diffetent schematics....but they result in the SAME item...both visually and numerically (in all respects)

[Paladin Ryan]

I could take a screenshot if you like. They are diffetent schematics....but they result in the SAME item...both visually and numerically (in all respects)

 

That would be helpful. It seems odd. I would expect some difference...

[crimzontearz]

That would be helpful. It seems odd. I would expect some difference...

will do tomorrow after work

[Glitch1283]

That would be helpful. It seems odd. I would expect some difference...

 

Visually, the Superior Warden helmet and the warden helmet look the same. Also, both are Tier 2 schematics.

 

There's only one difference: The superior version has 7 metals required for utility (meaning a bit more stats) instead of the 6 metals on the normal version.

 

Oh and found schematics will NOT be removed from the loot table. I have found many, many dupes so far.

 

You would figure that, at least for schematics, they'd remove them from the loot table to remove the grinding process of those since you can't even sell dupe schematics anyways.

[stephen_dedalus]

**** me running this is insanely frustrating....I found THREE knight enchanter great swords


And not a single schematic for the helm of the inquisitor and they are both iconic items.


NOT

ONE

I spent nearly all of my free time yesterday scumming for that schematic on my new character, and I have nothing to show for it.  I'm done with this tedium.  I'll just wait until I can kill the Emerald Graves dragon, get the Helm, and live without the schematic.  The Helm itself should have been given to the Inquisitor when first visiting the undercroft in Skyhold, and the schematic, rather than the Helm itself, should have been a set drop from the dragon.  But, inexplicably, that's not what we got.  Anyway, playing the game's beginning to feel like performing unpaid labor, so no more save scumming for me. 

[Paladin Ryan]

Visually, the Superior Warden helmet and the warden helmet look the same. Also, both are Tier 2 schematics.

 

There's only one difference: The superior version has 7 metals required for utility (meaning a bit more stats) instead of the 6 metals on the normal version.

 

Oh and found schematics will NOT be removed from the loot table. I have found many, many dupes so far.

 

You would figure that, at least for schematics, they'd remove them from the loot table to remove the grinding process of those since you can't even sell dupe schematics anyways.

 

As I said, I KNOW what superior is. He said he found a sturdy variant. Which I did not think existed. As for not being removed from loot tables they are. When I first started farming the cradle I found several schematics per run. Now I find one schematic every several runs if I am lucky. This is because I only have a handful that can drop. See my earlier post regarding conclusions on this note.

[Glitch1283]

According to http://dragonage3.wi....com/Schematicsthere is no Sturdy Warden Helmet schematic.

 

In fact, there are no Sturdy helmet designs whatsoever.

 

As for the schematics on the loot table, it seems some do disappear. I had the masterwork engraved greatsword recipe through Cheat Engine and it wasn't found on the Fallow Mire corpse it is garantueed to be found on.

 

Still, there are LOADS of schematics that do not disappear from the loot table.

[chawk84]

I am currently farming for the Inq. Helm now so wish me luck people..tried for about an hour earlier with no luck..but I'm determined to get it for my second playthrough

[stephen_dedalus]

I am currently farming for the Inq. Helm now so wish me luck people..tried for about an hour earlier with no luck..but I'm determined to get it for my second playthrough

Good luck to you.  I eventually did end up getting it after I stopped farming for it.  Just popped up from one of the Tier 2 chests in the Hinterlands.  Here's hoping you get it early!

[Iakus]

Found it recently looting a chest in that Solasan temple in the Forbidden Oasis.

 

Of course, I'm playing a qunari this time 

[chawk84]

Good luck to you.  I eventually did end up getting it after I stopped farming for it.  Just popped up from one of the Tier 2 chests in the Hinterlands.  Here's hoping you get it early!

your well wishes were received by the maker! He saw fit to reward me with the helm at level 3 haha..I love it..I also managed to grab the Armor of the Free Army, which looks great on my warrior..I look pretty good at level 3 now..just need an awesome sword and I'll be set for awhile

[chawk84]

Found it recently looting a chest in that Solasan temple in the Forbidden Oasis.

 

Of course, I'm playing a qunari this time 

dude that sucks haha...I have seen several people with that issue, getting the schematic or item that eluded their class on a previous play thru..I hate RNG..

[stephen_dedalus]

your well wishes were received by the maker! He saw fit to reward me with the helm at level 3 haha..I love it..I also managed to grab the Armor of the Free Army, which looks great on my warrior..I look pretty good at level 3 now..just need an awesome sword and I'll be set for awhile

Congrats!

[chawk84]

Thanks man..haha..now if I could only get the Tevinter Longsword

[Paladin Ryan]

Congrats on the helm. As for the longsword it seems to just not drop as loot... the schematic exists and people use it, I assume after obtaining through a cheat engine. It appears functional and balanced. Which implies it was left out as a mistake. This seems to be the case for multiple top tier weapons.

All we can do is hope bioware fixes it and cling to the cool stuff we do have. Or better yet they should fix the loot system period. Aka no schematics that can only be random loot...

[chawk84]

Congrats on the helm. As for the longsword it seems to just not drop as loot... the schematic exists and people use it, I assume after obtaining through a cheat engine. It appears functional and balanced. Which implies it was left out as a mistake. This seems to be the case for multiple top tier weapons.

All we can do is hope bioware fixes it and cling to the cool stuff we do have. Or better yet they should fix the loot system period. Aka no schematics that can only be random loot...

do you have anymore examples of top tier weapons? Yeah it is beyond frustrating that it is left out...you know the one merchant who appears in Skyhold, it was late game for me..the merchant was across from the Orlesian woman who sells some nice things like the dragon killing axe..anyway with the short list perk I was able to reset that vendor a bunch of times and came across some very interesting items, one was a Ferelden Greataxe I believe, which was tier 3..had never seen it before that so part of me still holds out hope it's a rare vendor item with short list perk..like the Griffon Mace..which I never saw during my first play thru