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[tisdfogg]

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While all that is absolutely true, it is also of little consequence. Xarius himself stated that he did not optimize the gear for dragon slaying. The Assassin may require less to gain the numerical advantage over other specs but even Assassin himself does not need to reach the peak of its potential, to just burst down a High Dragon on highest difficulty in 20 sec. Hence, what does it matter if I lose some flanking damage bonuses to increase my crit chance to reasonable level? Will my damage output suffer? Probably. Will it be lower than Assassin's? Yes. Will it matter? Nope. In my previous post I referenced the other video on Xarius' youtube channel when he manages to solo the dragon for the first time (I assume). The video last for about 2 mins because his damage output is significantly lower. I imagine this is how it would look like if a Tempest or Arty would try to solo a dragon with optimized gear. Still even if it would take them 15 mins to kill it, it is still insanely overpowered to be able to just solo one of  the most powerful enemies on Nightmare in an encounter that is designed to be challenging for 4-man party. In the end which spec you choose as a rogue comes down entirely to preference IMHO. Assassin just saves you the hassle of optimizing gear.  

[Selea]

While all that is absolutely true, it is also of little consequence. Xarius himself stated that he did not optimize the gear for dragon slaying. The Assassin may require less to gain the numerical advantage over other specs but even Assassin himself does not need to reach the peak of its potential, to just burst down a High Dragon on highest difficulty in 20 sec. Hence, what does it matter if I lose some flanking damage bonuses to increase my crit chance to reasonable level? Will my damage output suffer? Probably. Will it be lower than Assassin's? Yes. Will it matter? Nope.

 

It will. Just because in Xarius' video the dragon was killed in 20 seconds (little time) with not optimized gear it doesn't mean that with optimal gear selection that's the max you will get anyway. Only in this instance what you say would have sense (i.e. that there's a plateau that's reached and everything that comes after is inconsequential) but that's obviously not the case. With optimized gear that same video (assuming same skill applied) would much probably have been cut to 15 or even 10 seconds just because DPS cannot reach a plateau (the higher it is the less time it takes to kill a same HP enemy on parity of skill, just like if you run 100 meters at 10 km/s you will reach them faster than with running at 5 km/h and if you run at 20 km/s you will reach them even faster and so on; there's no plateau, the faster you run the faster you reach that same end).

So, yes, your damage output WILL suffer. Math is not an opinion. If you can put 200% crit damage instead of 150%, or 100% flanking instead of 50% you WILL do more damage out of criticals and you WILL do more damage out of flanking and hence you WILL kill a target faster at parity of HP and skill applied.

Since we are here talking of max damage output saying that "it doesn't matter if damage potential is more" is complete nonsense. Even more because we are not discussing here about unreliable damage (i.e. situational and hence irrelevant) but of a type of damage that gets always applied by a DW rogue, especially an Assassin one.

[tisdfogg]

You missed the point entirely. Yes, of course the optimization is going to increase the damage output and you will kill the damn dragon faster. The point, albeit a little off topic if you really wanna nitpick, is that by being able to solo the dragon through sheer DPS is already incredibly OP by the standards of this game. Hence, unless you plan to solo dragons in under 20 sec that amount of DPS is simply not needed if you run a standard 4-man party on Nightmare. Look up a few post where I clearly state that I do agree about Assassin's superiority in DPS. While that fact was already agreed upon I simply added than it makes little sense to choose your spec based on maximal DPS potential unless you wanna replicate the feat in the video. I have no idea why you get so defensive about it. Also, speaking of situational: what do you think makes it possible to solo that dragon? The DPS? You think that derpy AI that is locked into "oh noes he's hurting my toes!" mode has nothing to do with it? Or the initial lack of adds? Or the fact that you can initiate? Seriously all it takes is to give the dragon enrage mode at 50% health that makes him instantly (no "I'm hurt! Halp!" nonsense) fly up and attack the nearest character with a volley of fireballs plus some mobs spawning and suddenly you need a party. It's rigged in the players favor from the get go (most likely not intended but still).

[Blackstork]

@Selea i doing Nightmare solo run with Tempest  , recently started, and it iwll take time till i will get to Skyhold to spec as tempest.

It's hard , really on start, bit i manage to get it going. (start of hinterlands, lvl 6 i think)

I will show stuff later .

For Suledinn for sure i will need to drop KP since they are immune to sleep there, but it is EASILY done by tempest DW.

It will need refit, but re-adjustment of build is cheap thing to do.

I may be will just download , if i will manage to scrap, some older play-throughts (1st one perhaps cause i saved alot), and show how Suledinn done by solo Tempest.

for all that crap you post, thing and blabber i will just skip it as something worthless to relate and reply to.

You understimating Temepest abilities, KP as synergy and vital CC (it's Tempest KB), and Tempest performance and clearing ability compared to assasin i certain circumstances. I never said that assasin is weak btw. Also, if you have full time 100% hit time, which i really doubt and sure that you are exaggerating, i can agree i , seems so in that case, have less experience of playing as assasin. I won't survive as Temepst without KP, and would do much less damage. KP upgrade provides you full crit  queue for FoL. and FoL is actually your dps ability, since it allows you to make loads of autoattacks when others barely can do 1. Its your lack of understanding / experience , you was the one who told above in this thread that autoattacking with FoL is bullshit.

Stop spinning stuff, mis-guiding, mis-understanding and mis-interpreting. 

As for proof i will work on it, it will take time, tho. (less time if i will find pre-suledin save from previous playthroughts) and show solo from Sulledin and may be other vid of mid-game featuring KP.

I will do may be some vid with KP from my previous playthroughts.

[Selea]

you was the one who told above in this thread that autoattacking with FoL is bullshit.

It is bullshit in comparison to burst damage abilities. They are simply NOT comparable. Surely they aren't bullshit in the full sense (in comparison to, for example, a champion S&S damage even out of abilities the damage of normal attacks on criticals of a DW are great) but we are not talking of things from an absolute point of view here, but on the context of Assassin's vs. Tempest's builds and given this normal attacks cannot compare to burst damage out of DW and Assassin's abilities, even more on critical hits.

I'm pretty sure you can do well with your build (you can do well with ANY build in DA:I, so with a DW Tempest build - of whatever kind - you will do great) but this is not the point of the thread. The topic is "Assassin vs. Tempest" for what it concerns DPS. Simply speaking your Tempest build with 3 flasks + KP will never even remotely be close to a good Assassin's build for what it concerns reliable and average damage, since: 1) it has no burst damage potential, the bulk of your damage (as you admit) is from auto-attacks, that also if powerful in a DW rogue on criticals, it will never even remotely compare to ability damage on the sames, and 2) it is a situational damage (KP doesn't work on all circumstances nor it can put asleep more than 2-3 enemies in the majority of cases; it is very rare enemies are all clustered so that you can take all of them with KP) as the burst damage capability is fully residing on a skill that takes 32 seconds to come from CD and it lasts only 5-8 secs; it cannot be compared to the burst damage of an Assassin's build with cycling abilities always available one next the other (and one of them the most powerful in the game).

Given this, you can either not post your video because it has no point. If you can make a video where you show how your build is better than a good Assassin's one (that's the topic at hand) fine, but if you are just going to post videos of you showing how you can be powerful in that build it matters nothing at all. I have no doubts whatsoever that you can be powerful in that build (I always spoke of that build in comparison to an DW Assassin's one or other Tempest DW ones, NOT in itself if you notice) but, again, this is absolutely not the point of the debate. "Powerful" means nothing inside this context, the only thing that matters is: is it MORE powerful than an Assassin's build (as the one shown in the video) or not? And we both know the answer to this question, isn't it?

[Eledran]

I personally went with assassin in the end, after testing quite extensively with Cole vs Sera.

 

Tempest might outdps the assassin in boss fights due to Flask of Fire cancelling the cost of thousand cuts and Sera might outdps everything else with flask of lightning + 3 shot bow and hidden blades masterwork.

 

But the specialization is too much of a one-trick pony where DPS is concerned imo. I don't like having half my bar filled with utility moves and waiting 30 seconds for flask of fire to come off cooldown all the time.

A huge problem I was experiencing, was that thousand cuts often failed to do damage when using it in realtime on PC (similar to how shadow strike misses all the time).

 

Assassin is a lot more interactive imo. It also has greater group synergy with mark of death. Using MoD + mark of the rift + a reaver going crazy + firestorm is insanely satisfying.

 

Also theoretically, the assassin will always have higher DPS, because of the fact that they can double the damage of another tempest in the group + all of the combined damage done by the other group members.

[Blackstork]

It is bullshit in comparison to burst damage abilities. They are simply NOT comparable. Surely they aren't bullshit in the full sense (in comparison to, for example, a champion S&S damage even out of abilities the damage of normal attacks on criticals of a DW are great) but we are NOT talking of things from an absolute point of view here, but on the context of Assassin's vs. Tempest's builds and given this normal attacks cannot compare to burst damage out of abilities, even more on critical hits.

I'm pretty sure you can do well with your build (you can do well with ANY build in DA:I, so with a DW Tempest build - of whatever kind - you will do great) but this is not the point of the thread. The topic is "Assassin vs. Tempest" for what it concerns DPS. Simply speaking your Tempest build with 3 flasks + KP will never even remotely be close to a good Assassin's build for what it concerns damage, since: 1) it has no burst damage potential, the bulk of your damage (as you admit) is from auto-attacks, that also if powerful in a DW rogue on criticals will never even remotely compare to ability damage on criticals, and 2) it is a situational damage (KP doesn't work on all circumstances nor it can put asleep more than 2-3 enemies in the majority of cases; it is very rare enemies are all clustered so that you can take all of them with KP).

Given this, you can either not post your video because it has no point. If you can make a video where you show how your build is better than a good Assassin's one (that's the topic at hand) fine, but if you are just going to post videos of you showing how you can be powerful in that build it matters nothing at all. I have no doubt whatsoever that you can be powerful in that build but, again, this is absolutely NOT the point of the debate. "Powerful" means nothing inside this context, the only thing that matters is: is it MORE powerful than an Assassin's build (as the one shown in the video) or not? And we both know the answer to this question, isn't it?

In performing BURST damage i never said that Tempest better than assasin. Check posts above, there i stated that those classes are so different, that are uncomparable (should i quote them or just you can check them yourself). Simply there are situations where Tempest performs better, so they are equal power wise, since the thread is not "tempes burst dps vs assasin burst dps". I given example that , generally, each one solo, or with proper party sleection, Tempest can close gaps with dps vs Assasin if he goes for lots of party combos, CCs and Mercy Killing.

Some situations feature circumstances where Assasin can't act with "free hands", while tempest can, and tempest can put some sustained damage due his flasks specifics. I've said that he is combo dependant character, but he can fare solo nightmare for sure. (dw one). - only all pre-skyhold part need to be very slow paced, but pre-skyhold is same for any class, isnt it?

I said that they are bit different styles, but that does not put tempest as being worse overall, and we not talking dps only, we are talking general usefulness and versatility too, and thats where Tempest can close gaps with Assasin big time. All KP stuff was just part of "Combos + auto-crit damage generator wwith lack of "crit from stealth"", and part of "CC is important" stuff.

I can not beat dragon in 3 seconds at it does assasin on that video. But tempest have some easier time on his way towards that endgame point, and path is actually what matters (alot, as well)

Given that also, i never denied, and actually said that best case is 3 rogue solution, where Tempest make his tricks, semi-tanks, and do damage, assasin store all that on MoD, and Arty just enjoying from all those crits.

I just told they are different and complementing, and in general scope its not right to qualify one better than other. talk was not only about dps, just about tempest gap closing in dps department while being better in others, and thats what i talked about - and you went offensive on me.

[Selea]

In performing BURST damage i never said that Tempest better than assasin. Check posts above, there i stated that those classes are so different, that are uncomparable. Simply there are situations where Tempest performs better, so they are equal power wise, since the thread is not "tempes burst dps vs assasin burst dps"

 

And here's all the problem at hand because you seem to not understand that burst damage always wins against sustained damage. This is an old topic that has been proven over and over again in the past in RPGs forums as burst damage is always preferable. It is even more preferable when there are healing skills, but also without it it is anyway more powerful.

[Blackstork]

And here's all the problem at hand because you seem to not understand that burst damage always wins against sustained damage. This is an old topic that has been proven over and over again in the past in RPGs forums as burst damage is always preferable. It is even more preferable when there are healing skills, but also without it it is anyway more powerful.

Ok , lets go another way, what is better as due - 2 assasins or tempest and assasin, and why? Your oppinion?

As i said that i do not talk about dps only. I talked about "General versaitliy , usefulness, better safety while having good sustain". In some cases, where those things are in play, and assasins burst is not sufficient (before late end game) to get out target, tempest can be better than assasin. 

And they are bit different roles, and my point (one of them ) is synergy (check posts where we been talking about 3 rogue party)

All dps discussion went hot because your offensive and my retaliation in form "Tempest can do sustained damage if he uses MK and goes for ****-load of combos, which are his specialization, actually"

[Zenthar Aseth]

 

Some situations feature circumstances where Assasin can't act with "free hands", while tempest can,

 

What situations are these?

[Blackstork]

What situations are these?

Alot of those, one of example fighting , esp. solo vs high mobility pesky targets which could not be taken by one burst, and where one CC on you / one enemy burst is enough to kill you out and you need to relocate alot, and wait some in order to get you FA/Stealth cooldowns down in order to partake action. Tempest is off-tank and can pull stuff on him, be more agreessive and do more CC. When those things are necessary in order to be effective/to survive Tempest is better. IF we talk very late  game with maxed eq, i agree , that no-one can kill dragon faster than assasin. But killing dragons is very late-game point, and there alot of encounters on the way. And game is about process itself, and not about far-end result only.

You , too, please answer my question and explain your oppinion - what is better (in general sense ) - 2 x Assasin or Assasin + Tempest? And why?

[Zenthar Aseth]

Alot of those, one of example fighting , esp. solo vs high mobility pesky targets which could not be taken by one burst, and where one CC on you / one enemy burst is enough to kill you out and you need to relocate alot, and wait some in order to get you FA/Stealth cooldowns down in order to partake action. Tempest is off-tank and can pull stuff on him, be more agreessive and do more CC. When those things are necessary in order to be effective/to survive Tempest is better. IF we talk very late  game with maxed eq, i agree , that no-one can kill dragon faster than assasin. But killing dragons is very late-game point, and there alot of encounters on the way. And game is about process itself, and not about far-end result only.

You , too, please answer my question and explain your oppinion - what is better (in general sense ) - 2 x Assasin or Assasin + Tempest? And why?

Huh? So now you're talking about solo, earlier you were talking about party? And why are you asking that question anyways, assassin+tempest or assassin, if you're talking about solo play? 

[Sevitan7]

And here's all the problem at hand because you seem to not understand that burst damage always wins against sustained damage. This is an old topic that has been proven over and over again in the past in RPGs forums as burst damage is always preferable.

 

But that's obviously wrong and depends on the game mechanics, thus it's different for each game. This is only really universally true in PvP. And it's a moot point in this game as you don't really have a choice between sustained and burst builds, there is just a single "correct/optimal" build for each specialization.

[Blackstork]

Huh? So now you're talking about solo, earlier you were talking about party? And why are you asking that question anyways, assassin+tempest or assassin, if you're talking about solo play?

I talking about general usability. In party there combos and in duo there is assassin + tempest combo, in solo there a lot of ways to keep you alive, deal sustained damage and cc. I talking about tempest vs assassin in general scope. And I saying that during the game, during the process which is only thing that matters, it is not worse than assassin and have own means to damage, survive, and be useful in nasty. And there alot of circumstances where he is better that assassin. And I am not, and you should not, talk only about end-game dragon killing. There much more before that point, and being necessary things to complete the game they are things that matter. BTW we yet to see solo DW assassin nm completion. For now there only archer one.
I have feeling that for DW tempest have much higher chances to do that as non-archer rogue.

[Aurok]

Wouldn't you be using Shadow Strike+ (preferably guaranteed crit) spam during Flask of Fire+ to reduce cooldowns as much as possible?

[konnect13123]

 I have both DW/Assassin and DW/Tempest on split saves that are both level 15, I do not have optimal gear for both. Not on my ps4 at the moment but the stats for my Assassin is around 7% Crit Chance 48% attack with crit damage close to 200%. I focused on dex and crit damage. Tempest has around 42% crit chance with around 80 from flank, with a 40% attack and crit damage of around 160%. I focused on cunning and dex. Weapons are tier 3 masterwork dual blades from the hissing wastes, with no runes applied. I have dragonbone with my tempest in my weapons though, with only dawnstone for my assassin since I have not killed any dragons with him. Masterwork hidden blades proc and guard on hit applied to all weapons.

 

 I'm not sure how the gentleman in the video can get constant crit's outside of stealth when he is auto attacking, I would love to have both a high crit chance and damage as well. My personal experience with both spec's at level 15 going from hard-nightmare is below.

 

  Flask of Frost can be and should be used for more than survivability, I have self detonated targets for 7k+ "bonus" damage off a twin fangs crit. So you can output ridiculous deeps without any down time no matter how many mobs you're going against. Also if you have AOE daggers the shatter combo will actually disperse to other targets. At times Flask of Frost deals more damage then the lighting flask combo.

My rotation is basically stealth + Twin fangs target 1, then lighting flask and auto attack CRIT until dead move to next target within lighting flask. Flask of fire spam deathblow or hit twin fangs twice then deathblow until dead move to target 3. Hit Flask of frost auto attack once or twice until frozen hit twin fangs or deathblow if target is hurt enough. By that time stealth should be up and lighting flask will be recharged within 2-3 secs, so repeat rotation if there is anything left to obliterate. This is even more broken if you have +Guard or any of your gear because you're basically building guard instead of sitting in stealth relying on an auto crit. Every crit from flank within lighting flask is doing between 400-600 damage within 8 secs. 

DW/Tempest is a DPS monster so is assassin but I have some problems going against multiple enemies with my assassin that has high hp. If I MOD + Stealth + hidden blades + activate mark of death and the enemy is not dead then I have two choices. I can flank attack but I won't have enough stamina to follow up with twin fangs or deathblow (Yes I have looked like it hurt, but the stamina regen from hidden blades allowed me to get off a FA). The second choice would be to wait a second or two within stealth for a crit twin fangs after the flank attack, and hope to kill the target. I could use deathblow in this situation but it takes away stamina since it does'nt work with dancing blades. I do'not have shadow strike since its currently bugged on ps4 and does not auto crit out of stealth and only refreshes the cooldown of stealth outside of it. 

After the above senerio target one is dead but you still have target 2, 3 and 4. If the kill was stolen stealth still has a cooldown and my stamina is running on empty. My crit chance is null so im forced to auto attack for petty damage to build up my stamina and to reduce the cooldown on stealth. Basically the more mobs I fight (Especially with high hp) the less effective assassin is with SUSTAINED Dps. 

 

 

[Zenthar Aseth]

Certainly not my experience with an assassin. You have six seconds to do tons of damage even with autoattacks after exiting stealth, but in reality you'll only have to do it for ~2 seconds maximum to get enough stamina to get going again. 

[konnect13123]

Certainly not my experience with an assassin. You have six seconds to do tons of damage even with autoattacks after exiting stealth, but in reality you'll only have to do it for ~2 seconds maximum to get enough stamina to get going again. 

 

 Hey Zenthar,

 

My Crit Chance is only at 7 percent with him. I'm considering raising it to match the CC of my tempest but that would equalize their damage numbers outside of MOD and hidden blades. 

[Blackstork]

Wouldn't you be using Shadow Strike+ (preferably guaranteed crit) spam during Flask of Fire+ to reduce cooldowns as much as possible?

that what i do, but if you solo you better to go with FA spam, because you will get cced and punched in the face , esp. on NM solo.

This is good solution in certain, more safe circumstances. I mean, this is best use of your FoF, but sometimes you forced to use it differently, or just its better to.

[Blackstork]

 I have both DW/Assassin and DW/Tempest on split saves that are both level 15, I do not have optimal gear for both. Not on my ps4 at the moment but the stats for my Assassin is around 7% Crit Chance 48% attack with crit damage close to 200%. I focused on dex and crit damage. Tempest has around 42% crit chance with around 80 from flank, with a 40% attack and crit damage of around 160%. I focused on cunning and dex. Weapons are tier 3 masterwork dual blades from the hissing wastes, with no runes applied. I have dragonbone with my tempest in my weapons though, with only dawnstone for my assassin since I have not killed any dragons with him. Masterwork hidden blades proc and guard on hit applied to all weapons.

 

 I'm not sure how the gentleman in the video can get constant crit's outside of stealth when he is auto attacking, I would love to have both a high crit chance and damage as well. My personal experience with both spec's at level 15 going from hard-nightmare is below.

 

  Flask of Frost can be and should be used for more than survivability, I have self detonated targets for 7k+ "bonus" damage off a twin fangs crit. So you can output ridiculous deeps without any down time no matter how many mobs you're going against. Also if you have AOE daggers the shatter combo will actually disperse to other targets. At times Flask of Frost deals more damage then the lighting flask combo.

My rotation is basically stealth + Twin fangs target 1, then lighting flask and auto attack CRIT until dead move to next target within lighting flask. Flask of fire spam deathblow or hit twin fangs twice then deathblow until dead move to target 3. Hit Flask of frost auto attack once or twice until frozen hit twin fangs or deathblow if target is hurt enough. By that time stealth should be up and lighting flask will be recharged within 2-3 secs, so repeat rotation if there is anything left to obliterate. This is even more broken if you have +Guard or any of your gear because you're basically building guard instead of sitting in stealth relying on an auto crit. Every crit from flank within lighting flask is doing between 400-600 damage within 8 secs. 

DW/Tempest is a DPS monster so is assassin but I have some problems going against multiple enemies with my assassin that has high hp. If I MOD + Stealth + hidden blades + activate mark of death and the enemy is not dead then I have two choices. I can flank attack but I won't have enough stamina to follow up with twin fangs or deathblow (Yes I have looked like it hurt, but the stamina regen from hidden blades allowed me to get off a FA). The second choice would be to wait a second or two within stealth for a crit twin fangs after the flank attack, and hope to kill the target. I could use deathblow in this situation but it takes away stamina since it does'nt work with dancing blades. I do'not have shadow strike since its currently bugged on ps4 and does not auto crit out of stealth and only refreshes the cooldown of stealth outside of it. 

After the above senerio target one is dead but you still have target 2, 3 and 4. If the kill was stolen stealth still has a cooldown and my stamina is running on empty. My crit chance is null so im forced to auto attack for petty damage to build up my stamina and to reduce the cooldown on stealth. Basically the more mobs I fight (Especially with high hp) the less effective assassin is with SUSTAINED Dps. 

 

 

I agree completely with you , mate. You explained nice chunkj of my point (answered the question which was adressed to me from Zenthar).

Thanks mate.

[konnect13123]

I agree completely with you , mate. You explained nice chunkj of my point (answered the question which was adressed to me from Zenthar).

Thanks mate.

 

Hey BS no problem, I appreciate the responses that you provided to my questions as well. 

 

 Xarius's video is the uptime that I wish that I had on my assassin. If I knew his stats and crafted gear that would make me happy lol, but until then my assassin feels like its missing sometihing. It has the burst but the sustainability is missing. It's like having a spontaneous wave of energy with a woman in bed that only lasts a minute. 

[Xarius478]

 Xarius's video is the uptime that I wish that I had on my assassin. If I knew his stats and crafted gear that would make me happy lol, but until then my assassin feels like its missing sometihing. It has the burst but the sustainability is missing. It's like having a spontaneous wave of energy with a woman in bed that only lasts a minute. 

I made a post with the key stats on my gear: http://forum.bioware...4#entry18064798

My overall stats were something like:

145 Dexterity

40 Cunning

78% Attack

44% Critical Hit Chance

223% Critical Hit Damage

25% Flanking Damage

25% Armor Penetration (through Gaps in the Armor)

[konnect13123]

I made a post with the key stats on my gear: http://forum.bioware...4#entry18064798

My overall stats were something like:

145 Dexterity

40 Cunning

78% Attack

44% Critical Hit Chance

223% Critical Hit Damage

25% Flanking Damage

25% Armor Penetration (through Gaps in the Armor)

Thank you so much for posting this, much appreciated.

[konnect13123]

 I actually upgraded my assassin. All my stats are raised from new armor and I made better decisions on my slotting choices. I also farmed for the phoenix scales fade touch that provided 20% damage if not hit for 5 secs. I can honestly say that all the problems I had before I don't have now, and he hits like a freaking truck. Hidden blades is doing over 2k per hit now, twin fangs is hitting for 5k+ from flank, and deathblow averages 6k+ dependent on enemy. On my way to get the master corruption rune in western approach I one shotted the first giant you see while doing the darkspawn quest....well combo-ed.

 

 MOD+Steath+Hidden blades+flank attack+Twin fangs+deathblow (my hidden blade proc went off so i received more stamina from the crits). All of that was done within 8 secs, and I almost missed the bonus damage from MOD but I got it off in time. I didn't get a chance to see the final number on MOD because I wasn't expecting to drop a whole 40k off a freaking giant. To say the least I was shocked, there is no way in hell I could do that with my tempest without 1k cuts. But is Thousand cuts supposed to be ruled out because its a focus ability? BTW I still havent slotted my blades with dragon bone.

 

  I haven't built my tempest yet with gear as I have done my assassin, but at this point I'm extremely happy with both classes.

 

  

[Junkka]

If someone played tempest exclusively, he will say there is nothing stronger. I thought so too, but I gave assassin some try and after 100 hours, without thousand cuts, assassin can easily put out as much damage as tempest. They are both equally OP, so it's pointless to compare them with dps.

 

It's more about what type of play you prefer. If you like to meticulously assassinate a target one by one by jumping in and out of stealth play assassin. If you prefer to constantly be in the heat of the fight go tempest. I enjoyed playing both of them, although by now I slightly prefer assassin. It feels more rogue like, and feels very efficient if played right. With tempest it gets slightly dull in fights that does not include a boss. With assassin it's so easy to get killed if you don't manage it when fighting a boss which can be both fun and pain in the ass