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Absolutely. The Seekers of Truth, the Templars, and the Chantry - like all religious organizations, are irredeemably evil.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Absolutely. The Seekers of Truth, the Templars, and the Chantry - like all religious organizations, are irredeemably evil.

Especially that sub-organization of my last Church that had me feeding the hungry one or two Thursdays out of every month. Inexcusable.

 

Edit: Or did you just mean the in-universe ones? Because apparently there was an orphanage on the Kirkwall Chantry grounds.

 

 

Their ritual is no reason to get rid of the Seekers. The only reason is that they failed in their objective and became corrupt. If you think getting rid of them because of Tranquility is valid, well you're wasting your time. The Templars form a mirror group called the Silver Shield anyway. 

I acknowledge that the fact that they use that ritual on themselves is justifiable, but the fact that they knew how to do it could very well be problematic.

 

As I understand it, when Lambert learns in Asunder that the former Tranquil Pharamond has learned that Tranquil are curable, he does his best to get the research cancelled and the results banned from use. As I was trying to explain to Errant (and I don't think I got this across, looking back) this is mostly-to-entirely justified if (as I believe everyone understood before Inquisition) Lambert doesn't know anything more than can be gleaned from Pharamond's experiment and reasonable pattern-matching: namely, that Tranquility is curable, that mages are going to want to try this, and far from being immune to possession the results of Pharamond's process are probably more vulnerable to it than before they were lobotomized. Lambert's request to not go any further with this is defendable in the context of knowing only this, and his request to not let the general mage population know is foresighted and reasonable.

 

Then we learn that Lambert knew that Tranquility was curable all along and didn't tell the Divine. Withholding information such as this from your boss is questionable, but this is not truly evil. It's dickish and paranoid, to be sure, but neither of those is the same as evil. It's arguably not unjustified, either, if he's logically induced what the Divine would do with this information; the argument against letting the general magical population know about this process doesn't change just because he knew of the possibility without being told.

 

But that's not the only thing that we learn Lambert knew all along. He has a known process for rendering certain people immune to possession by inducing and curing Tranquility in a certain ritual. The main danger of mages is that they can be possessed. Now, unless I'm mistaken we don't know that this process works on mages, but we don't know that it doesn't either. And I don't think we know that Lambert knows or is curious. This process could, if it works on mages, nullify the danger of that mage ever becoming an abomination. Considering that non-Tranquil mages have up to this point always been potential abominations, and that the ones powerful enough to be unlikely to turn are the ones who will be the most likely to solo a Circle if they do, this is major. Even if it only works on a small subset of mages, that subset can (assuming they have been properly educated in the responsibilities of a decent citizen) be mostly left to their own devices. Or, alternatively, they can be drafted into the Seekers as their artillery. Or they can simply be left in their Circles as one more safeguard to make it less likely that an Annulment will become necessary.

 

If Lambert knows this to be a pipe-dream due to some property of the ritual that precludes it working on a mage, then while he's being a dick I don't see that he can or should do otherwise if he believes the Divine would spread certain aspects of the ritual that the general magical public should not know how to do. If he doesn't know whether or not mages can do the ritual, then why doesn't he know? Given the stuff he's already getting away with, he could absolutely test this without the Divine knowing about it. Depending on whether he doesn't care, or whether he actively doesn't want this, I'd have to call him either irresponsible, or actively malevolent. And if he knows it works on mages and isn't using it anyway I just have no words.

[The Baconer]

Except she did. Like where you ask, "How would you reform the Seekers," I'm not sure what you expected from her. 

 

No she didn't.

 

"We'll do the Maker's work, in truth."

 

"You keep saying that, but what does that mean?"

 

"I don't know, but we will have to seek it out."

 

No thanks.