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[TobyJake]

I made a distinction between bugs, as in technical issues (drivers, DirectX, etc) and design flaws which are not really bugs.

If you are happy with it then that's fine. As far as I am concerned DA:I (for PC) is unfinished. Not even alpha.

It will take many patches to be acceptable as a PC game. If they do that, then it would cream the console version.

Not holding my breath though.

I myself have had few if any bugs as defined. Occasional crash and BSD, I suspect Windows Update more than Bioware to be precise.

But I am appalled with the lack of finish to this release. Either rushed or interfered with. Sad. Three characters at Lvl 15, so that says something

[Halcyon Lavellan]

I don't mind the controls and such, any discomfort is nominal compared to being able to play the game. This is a first world problem at worst and an inconvenience requiring a basic degree of, even possibly temporary, adaptation at best.

My main concern is that visiting these threads now, there's a clear disconnect between people with viable machine specifications (and the wherewithal / understanding) to run the game properly noting that many hardware / driver issues are ultimately the responsibility of the end user, and also an extreme penchant to post highly generic complaints sans details without properly reading bioware's posts or similarly useful responses, resulting in circular and pointless arguments that would make Fox News proud.

The only way a peer to peer help forum is going to work is if people provide detailed descriptions of their issues along with machine specifications and driver dates.

Otherwise we're simply reducing discourse to random whinging which doesn't provide any actionable information for anyone. At all. Let alone then complaining that no one responds. Over the Christmas period.

[Statulos]

I´m sure you have found issues that are part of the game content that should work but do not work. I am thinking from top of my head about the missing mosaic piece in the Hinterlands, but I´m sure there´s more content that should be there but isn´t.

[danbish]

Has the game freezing bug in the Xbox360 version, or indeed every console version been fixed yet? My game and console totally freezes whenever any save file is loaded and its beyond acceptable they length of time this has been going on now. I bought DA:I on launch day (21st Nov, UK) and I haven't been able to play it since shortly after then.

 

The problem started when loading a save file into the Hinterlands and its never changed since. I can't believe I paid so much money for a game that's totally broken.

[glosoli]

I´m sure you have found issues that are part of the game content that should work but do not work. I am thinking from top of my head about the missing mosaic piece in the Hinterlands, but I´m sure there´s more content that should be there but isn´t.

[Soren Asgard]

My point is that it's not worth being "appalled" about, or acting like BioWare's relative quiet between patches is some grievous offense.  I'm allowed to speak my opinion, this thread doesn't just belong to the complainers and BioWare haters.

 

1/ It's a patch 2's thread, not a fanboy channel.

2/ You aren't here to praise BioWare, you are here to annoy everyone who have posted legitimate bugs reports and to say there is no problem in DA:I in despite of the BioWare's confirmation. In the language of my people, we call it "a troll".

3/ What you're calling "haters", I call it "bug reporter". And what you are trying to be, is to victimized yourself, when all you do is to annoy the true victims : those who have bought a game full of bugs.

Even with my poor english level, I'm able to see all the craps between each of your words. No need to hide, trollguy.

[s1rrah]

My expectations were low after DA2, yes, but for me, personally, there's no doubt that DA:I deserves the Game of the Year awards it's getting. I play on PC, and the only bugs I've encountered are the shiny hair, and for some reason I'm unable to switch between characters from time to time. Hardly game-breaking bugs.

 

I tried KB+mouse for about 5 mins, figured out it was crap, and plugged in my Razer gamepad. Been a happy camper ever since. Again, hardly game-breaking. Some games work better with keyboard+mouse, some work better with a gamepad, some with a steering wheel, and some with a joystick. I don't see kb+m as THE defining control config for PC, but I know I might be in the minority here.

 

Anyway, hope you have a merry X-mas, and hope you'll get your patches soon, so you can enjoy the game the way I (and many others) enjoy it

 

dude ... seriously ... on two separate machines ... the game runs perfectly. And yeah  ... what a production!!! The voice acting alone is worth some sort of award ... am I the only one who thinks Cassandra's accent is sexy as all get out?

[Xhaiden]

I made a distinction between bugs, as in technical issues (drivers, DirectX, etc) and design flaws which are not really bugs.

If you are happy with it then that's fine. As far as I am concerned DA:I (for PC) is unfinished. Not even alpha.

 

 

I don't think you have concept of software development cycles if you think this "isn't even alpha". If this wasn't even alpha you wouldn't even be playing it because it would not even be anything resembling a game yet. >.>

[MisterMannIndy]

dude ... seriously ... on two separate machines ... the game runs perfectly. And yeah  ... what a production!!! The voice acting alone is worth some sort of award ... am I the only one who thinks Cassandra's accent is sexy as all get out?

 

Man I hope I am as fortunate as you've been.  Wifey had DA:I under the tree for me (PC version).  I will likely take the plunge and decide for myself if I'm a victim here .

 

I have followed this forum from the start and will continue to monitor hoping for more stability.  

 

At least I make this decision "informed"....

[Lannes1789]

Man I hope I am as fortunate as you've been.  Wifey had DA:I under the tree for me (PC version).  I will likely take the plunge and decide for myself if I'm a victim here .

 

I have followed this forum from the start and will continue to monitor hoping for more stability.  

 

At least I make this decision "informed"....

Anecdotally, it seems as though those with nvidia cards are having a rougher time of it.  I'm running it on an older i5-2500k, 7850 1gb, 256 ssd, 8gb ram, and haven't had any weirdness yet with over 100 hours in.  Got it on high settings (even textures, which I thought might be an issue with only 1gb of vram) and it runs smooth.  Had to do a fresh install of windows 7 as I just picked up the ssd, so the only thing on it is the game and crusader kings 2 (which also might be helping).  Using the latest amd drivers sans raptr.

 

Oddly enough, even though my onboard audio is realtek the amd drivers are managing my audio & show up in device manager as amd.  Didn't mess around with it as the sound is fine and the game is running well...

 

Oh, and when I put the new drive in I checked out my cpu fan as I was getting 70c warnings whenever I exited dragon age: origins.  It was covered in a thick layer of dust so took a can of pressurized air to it.  No warnings since.

 

Good luck - hope the game works well for you, is a lot of fun.  

[Lord Surinen]

I pity all of you, including myself. I might be piting all of you only because there are many pro-miles coursing through my veins buttttt game is not in the best state, right? I mean, not at all, right? I want fix for elves, you want for stutter, hey I want for stutter too. I stutter in real life sometimes too. It is bad mojo woujo. Bugs are bad business I tell ye

[s1rrah]

Man I hope I am as fortunate as you've been.  Wifey had DA:I under the tree for me (PC version).  I will likely take the plunge and decide for myself if I'm a victim here .

 

I have followed this forum from the start and will continue to monitor hoping for more stability.  

 

At least I make this decision "informed"....

 

enjoy, man.

[Alligator]

I don't think you have concept of software development cycles if you think this "isn't even alpha". If this wasn't even alpha you wouldn't even be playing it because it would not even be anything resembling a game yet. >.>

 

Alpha means the software isn't feature complete, which one could argue is the case here.

[TobyJake]

I don't think you have concept of software development cycles if you think this "isn't even alpha". If this wasn't even alpha you wouldn't even be playing it because it would not even be anything resembling a game yet. >.>

I spent many years developing user interfaces for big iron databases. I know when something is ready for release. Inquisition was not ready.

[Xhaiden]

I spent many years developing user interfaces for big iron databases. I know when something is ready for release. Inquisition was not ready.

 

Yes, you and every other Expert™ in this thread. Also props for comparing UI development for databases to game development as if that qualifies you to pass judgement. That's like saying you know how cars work because you manufacturer brake lights. 

 

Does the game have problems? Sure. Is it still running fine for the majority of users? Yes. Does it suck to be one of the ones affected by an issue? Definitely.

 

But the amount of ludicrous hyperbole going on around these forums is beginning to border on ridiculous. Never mind the amount of people that have become experts on game development and the game industry all of a sudden. You want to do something legitimately constructive? Then document issues and present them in an actionable form like a reasonable adult. 

 

Standing in Bioware's front yard yelling names all day and only stopping when other people walk by so you can brag to them about how you know how to trim hedges better accomplishes nothing.

[Frenrihr]

Yes, you and every other Expert™ in this thread. Also props for comparing UI development for databases to game development as if that qualifies you to pass judgement. That's like saying you know how cars work because you manufacturer brake lights. 

 

Does the game have problems? Sure. Is it still running fine for the majority of users? Yes. Does it suck to be one of the ones affected by an issue? Definitely.

 

But the amount of ludicrous hyperbole going on around these forums is beginning to border on ridiculous. Never mind the amount of people that have become experts on game development and the game industry all of a sudden. You want to do something legitimately constructive? Then document issues and present them in an actionable form like a reasonable adult. 

 

Standing in Bioware's front yard yelling names all day and only stopping when other people walk by so you can brag to them about how you know how to trim hedges better accomplishes nothing.

 

 

No.

[Hurbster]

I think the main problem is the deafening silence we have had from Bioware, nothing since 15th December in this thread and 11th December in the 'PC Community Concerns ' thread. Even a small progress update would have been nice.

[tevix]

Yes, you and every other Expert™ in this thread. Also props for comparing UI development for databases to game development as if that qualifies you to pass judgement. That's like saying you know how cars work because you manufacturer brake lights. 

 

Does the game have problems? Sure. Is it still running fine for the majority of users? Yes. Does it suck to be one of the ones affected by an issue? Definitely.

 

But the amount of ludicrous hyperbole going on around these forums is beginning to border on ridiculous. Never mind the amount of people that have become experts on game development and the game industry all of a sudden. You want to do something legitimately constructive? Then document issues and present them in an actionable form like a reasonable adult. 

 

Standing in Bioware's front yard yelling names all day and only stopping when other people walk by so you can brag to them about how you know how to trim hedges better accomplishes nothing.

If you're an expert on brake lights, and a car is put on the road with lights that don't work, then the car isn't ready for sale.  If you already said that beforehand, the fact that you didn't manufacture the entire car doesn't make you wrong.

 

Your analogy works against you.  Developing software makes you more of an expert on programming and software than someone who doesn't.  Do you have more programming and software development experience?

 

I'd be curious to know exactly what your sources are for how many people are having issues vs. those that aren't.

[wentworthmeister]

Does the game have problems? Sure. Is it still running fine for the majority of users? Yes. Does it suck to be one of the ones affected by an issue? Definitely.

 

But the amount of ludicrous hyperbole going on around these forums is beginning to border on ridiculous. Never mind the amount of people that have become experts on game development and the game industry all of a sudden. You want to do something legitimately constructive? Then document issues and present them in an actionable form like a reasonable adult. 

 

 

I think the main problem is the deafening silence we have had from Bioware, nothing since 15th December in this thread and 11th December in the 'PC Community Concerns ' thread. Even a small progress update would have been nice.

 

These two posts summarize the situation nicely. Lots of people here with an overblown sense of entitlement getting very worked up about a video game, and a studio who for whatever reason are not willing or able to maintain an adequate level of communication or engagement with their consumer base. 

[tevix]

These two posts summarize the situation nicely. Lots of people here with an overblown sense of entitlement getting very worked up about a video game, and a studio who for whatever reason are not willing or able to maintain an adequate level of communication or engagement with their consumer base. 

Your post is contradictory and makes no sense.  If a developer has failed to maintain even an "adequate" level of communication when so many people are having so many issues, I don't see how people are not entitled to be upset.

[wentworthmeister]

Your post is contradictory and makes no sense.  If a developer has failed to maintain even an "adequate" level of communication when so many people are having so many issues, I don't see how people are not entitled to be upset.

 

I wasn't attempting to present a coherent argument, I simply stated what I have observed. People are voicing their discontent in a manner that I think is unreasonable, and the studio hasn't done a very good job of keeping us in the loop. Rather than being contradictory, the second issue feeds the first.

[Xhaiden]

If you're an expert on brake lights, and a car is put on the road with lights that don't work, then the car isn't ready for sale.  If you already said that beforehand, the fact that you didn't manufacture the entire car doesn't make you wrong.

 

Your analogy works against you.  Developing software makes you more of an expert on programming and software than someone who doesn't.  Do you have more programming and software development experience?

 

I'd be curious to know exactly what your sources are for how many people are having issues vs. those that aren't.

 

My analogy works against me if you go out of your way to miss the point of it just to twist it to fit your opinion, yes.

 

As for my experience; Stating it wouldn't accomplish anything. If I tell you, you draw me into an internet dick measuring contest that does nothing to solve the problem and wastes both our time. If I don't tell you, you can dismiss me out of hand and simply go with the opinion of whomever fits your own confirmation bias. Its pointless either way. 

 

You don't really need a source, only a moment to actually stop and think about this. Forums make up an absurdly small percentage of the people actually playing a game. From there, the percentage of people reporting major issues is a small group of that percentage. The problems have not been sufficient enough to create any kind of impact in the gaming media like Unity or Simcity. So there aren't enough people with problems sufficient enough to make them raise hell in gaming circles outside of DA/Bioware forums. Its mainly just us here in our own echo chamber. That's not to say no one is having major issues, they are, but they're also not as wide spread as the hyperbole here suggests.

 

It just seems that way because we're sitting here talking in our own echo chamber to our own confirmation bias. People for whom the game runs fine have no need to come here and say so. For those who have come here and said so they've been yelled down by the aforementioned hyperbole. Further feeding the echo chamber by ensuring there's no contradictory voices. 

 

I mean seriously, look at the petition in your own signature.

 

43 signatures? You think that is a large amount of people who own the game? The game sold just over 1.1m copies in its first week just in North America + Europe and that's without digital sales numbers from Origin. Your petition represents 0.0037% of the people who bought the game physically in the first week. See what I mean?

 

But again, this is not to say people aren't having major issues. They are and it sucks. But people here are acting like its the end of the world, an affront onto the Lord and that Bioware is a drooling bunch of incompetents. Well, sorry to say but the hyperbole doesn't pan out to reality. 

[tevix]

My analogy works against me if you go out of your way to miss the point of it just to twist it to fit your opinion, yes.

 

As for my experience; Stating it wouldn't accomplish anything. If I tell you, you draw me into an internet dick measuring contest that does nothing to solve the problem and wastes both our time. If I don't tell you, you can dismiss me out of hand and simply go with the opinion of whomever fits your own confirmation bias. Its pointless either way. 

 

You don't really need a source, only a moment to actually stop and think about this. Forums make up an absurdly small percentage of the people actually playing a game. From there, the percentage of people reporting major issues is a small group of that percentage. The problems have not been sufficient enough to create any kind of impact in the gaming media like Unity or Simcity. So there aren't enough people with problems sufficient enough to make them raise hell in gaming circles outside of DA/Bioware forums. Its mainly just us here in our own echo chamber. That's not to say no one is having major issues, they are, but they're also not as wide spread as the hyperbole here suggests.

 

It just seems that way because we're sitting here talking in our own echo chamber to our own confirmation bias. People for whom the game runs fine have no need to come here and say so. For those who have come here and said so they've been yelled down by the aforementioned hyperbole. Further feeding the echo chamber by ensuring there's no contradictory voices. 

 

I mean seriously, look at the petition in your own signature.

 

43 signatures? You think that is a large amount of people who own the game? The game sold just over 1.1m copies in its first week just in North America + Europe and that's without digital sales numbers from Origin. Your petition represents 0.0037% of the people who bought the game physically in the first week. See what I mean?

 

But again, this is not to say people aren't having major issues. They are and it sucks. But people here are acting like its the end of the world, an affront onto the Lord and that Bioware is a drooling bunch of incompetents. Well, sorry to say but the hyperbole doesn't pan out to reality. 

Your analogy claimed the ability to criticize the readiness of a car because you manufacture tail lights.  Yet if one knows tail lights, and knows the ones put on a car don't work, and they DON'T, the car isn't ready for release.  That doesn't make the light builder wrong.  It just doesn't.  Since you didn't answer my question, I will assume you have no programming expertise of any kind.  I can then conclude you have no business criticizing someone who does on those grounds.

 

"My" petition (and it's not mine, I just signed it and promote it, cause people can't sign something they don't know about) represents a small portion of the total sales.  You assume that the 43 signers are the only 43 people in the world with issues.  Bioware already announced they have three patches in the process (one was recently released).

 

That tells me they KNOW their game is broken and are rushing to fix it.  A lot of people don't go to this forums, a lot of people don't go to forums in general.  They just return it, or don't buy the next one, or sell it.  You lack perspective, and reality.

[Xhaiden]

I wasn't attempting to present a coherent argument, I simply stated what I have observed. People are voicing their discontent in a manner that I think is unreasonable, and the studio hasn't done a very good job of keeping us in the loop. Rather than being contradictory, the second issue feeds the first.

 

Bioware hasn't been any better or worse at communication than any other major studio to be honest. It is kind of odd that they've been asking we utilize Twitter or EA Answers for direct communication. But then giving the amount of noise on the forums here its likely easier to use those then sift through all this. 

 

They did layout the short and long term patch plans for us on Dec 8. Patch 2 came out the next day and focused on exactly what they said it would. Yes, Patch 2 had problems but a work around was presented very quickly and a hot fix the day after. Patch 2 continued to roll out on other platforms up till Dec 15th with corresponding communication from Bioware. 

 

So. now we're at the 15th. Bioware employees then continued to be active on the forums until the 19th. Now, nothing is going to happen over Christmas. So we can scratch 24th-26th and honestly they probably got a few more days off than that after spending years on this development cycle. Though a few unfortunate souls did stick around in the office to handle Christmas related things for the game. 

 

So this alleged total void of communication is.....5 days. 

[Xhaiden]

Your analogy claimed the ability to criticize the readiness of a car because you manufacture tail lights.  Yet if one knows tail lights, and knows the ones put on a car don't work, and they DON'T, the car isn't ready for release.  That doesn't make the light builder wrong.  It just doesn't.  Since you didn't answer my question, I will assume you have no programming expertise of any kind.  I can then conclude you have no business criticizing someone who does on those grounds.

 

"My" petition (and it's not mine, I just signed it and promote it, cause people can't sign something they don't know about) represents a small portion of the total sales.  You assume that the 43 signers are the only 43 people in the world with issues.  Bioware already announced they have three patches in the process (one was recently released).

 

That tells me they KNOW their game is broken and are rushing to fix it.  A lot of people don't go to this forums, a lot of people don't go to forums in general.  They just return it, or don't buy the next one, or sell it.  You lack perspective, and reality.

 

1) Please go look up the word "pedantic". Also, you just did precisely what I predicted you would. Without a shred of irony at that.

 

2) I made no such assumption. I was only demonstrating that the perception of horrific wide spread world ending issues is in reality a smaller more vocal group. 

 

3) "You lack perspective, and reality". Physician, heal thyself.